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Nov. 9th 2006 edits

Her husband is a former President of Alticor. Also, I removed comments regarding her father and brother. The former doesn't belong in an article about her. A separate article should be created for her father and the information included there. The comments about profits were unsourced and irrelevant. If there's an article about Blackwater, discuss them there and link to it from here.

Shouldn't it be added that her husband is Dick DeVos and that he ran for governor. And also her role in Grand Rapids, Michigan because she has done a lot. And what about when she was chairman of the Republican Party.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.90.98.114 (talk • contribs) 14:45, May 19, 2007

Reverted edits that are WP:BLP policy violations

These edits were reverted. They are unsourced. MAYBE if they had sources they could come back in but clearly not without sources. ++Lar: t/c 16:11, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MediaMouse as a Source

MediaMouse does not appear to meet Wikipedia standards for verifiable sources. Additionally, the previously linked source did not contain any information about a dispute with John Engler. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gotophilk (talk • contribs) 18:42, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Recent expansion of article

I have recently wikified the article, adding an infobox, see also section, about 7 or 8 sources and expanded text. Hopefully this will upgrade the article from stub class KeptSouth (talk) 07:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Severe issues

This article has serious issues in regards to WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, WP:V / WP:RS, WP:TRIVIA, WP:COATRACK, etc., etc. At least 3/4 of the material – all this pointless detail-mongering and name-dropping – in this piece could simply be deleted. Start with all the organization details that do not pertain directly to the subject of the article, then the biographizing about descendants (I deleted the granddaughter's name for privacy reasons), all the non-notable organization namedropping (redlink? throw it out), and so on. Then move on to the WP:PEACOCK wording and other puff-piece junk, like dwelling on how many homes they have, etc. This article on minor notables in the business world is longer than many of our articles on major figures of world history but provides only about 10% as much encyclopedic value, and is mostly sourced to primary sources, and low-quality news sources like local newspaper and their websites and blogs. The article is being treated like it's the personal webpage of Besty DeVos, and it's pretty clear there's WP:COI editing going on here.

All of the above pertains to her husband's article, too. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 00:49, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm inclined to agree with you. The career section is filled with trivia and one-sided peacocking. The board memberships section is completely unreferenced -- a tedious resume-like list. The article also seems to be completely lacking in coverage of the more controversial aspects about DeVos, like the criticism she has received for her efforts at school privatization; for example, All Children Matter was found to have broken campaign finance laws in 2008 and had not paid a $5.2 million fine levied against the organization. Rhode Island Red (talk) 23:48, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just for starters. I only encountered this page while WP:GNOMEing, and am pretty appalled at both the promotional trivia-mongering and studious avoidance of any critical material, though lots of it is instantly findable via Google. Ditto for the husband's article too. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 02:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I reverted one edit, whose aim was to remove the "personal life" section, as it would have been non-standard layout for a Wikipedia article. Her philanthropy on education reform is philanthropic, not politics, as far as I can tell...Moreover, I think her residences should be added back, as that is standard information on Wikipedia, unless there is a clear safety issue (which we would understand).Zigzig20s (talk) 04:57, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I also dewikified the red links, which brought nothing to this article. I don't think the article needs further trimming. If you do, can you please give us specific examples where you'd like to trim? Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::Just for starters. I only encountered this page while [[WP:GNOME]]ing, and am pretty appalled at both the promotional trivia-mongering and studious avoidance of any critical material, though lots of it is instantly findable via Google.  Ditto for the husband's article too. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 02:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 :::Hello. I reverted one edit, whose aim was to remove the "personal life" section, as it would have been non-standard layout for a Wikipedia article. Her philanthropy on education reform is philanthropic, not politics, as far as I can tell...Moreover, I think her residences should be added back, as that is standard information on Wikipedia, unless there is a clear safety issue (which we would understand).[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 04:57, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
+:::I also dewikified the red links, which brought nothing to this article. I don't think the article needs further trimming. If you do, can you please give us specific examples where you'd like to trim? Thank you.[[User:Zigzig20s|Zigzig20s]] ([[User talk:Zigzig20s|talk]]) 05:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)