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VisualEditor News #3—2015

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Mobility analogy GA review

Um ... I'm not a scientist, so that would be a challenge. But maybe. We'll see how this one goes. Daniel Case (talk) 15:02, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Puducherry official language

After the back and forth on it on various pagesfor a while, I found a good ref for it from the District courts of Pondicherry. It appears that it's not as simple as our article makes it out to be, so perhaps a clarification note is needed. The same note can be used across all the pages (I can think of at least four currently). —SpacemanSpiff 08:42, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Good find. I've got this ref too: [1] but it doesn't mention French...odd. Your ref mentions "its official status was preserved by the Treaty of Cession signed by the Indian Union and the French Republic on 28 May 1956." Let's dig in more. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:03, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I think the confusion on French is because of this. According to the Treaty of Cession, French will continue until replaced. This Act by Pondicherry legislature made Tamil etc official languages, but it appears to be silent on French. So I'm guessing that some people treat the silence as "replaced" some people treat it as "additional". I haven't been able to find anything else that is reasonable! However, I have seen new road signs etc in French during my last visit, so not sure what the deal is. —SpacemanSpiff 09:14, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

So further search simply shows that so some say, some don't mention it and no one explicitly denies it. TOI mentions a "four-language system" but I think they're referring to English. We're forced to just state that "per the Act of 1965 French is the official language until replaced" and then mention "Tamil, Telugu and Malayalam are the three...". I'll get to it. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:24, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Hope that puts a stop to the constant back and forth edits. —SpacemanSpiff 09:35, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I think the change looks good. Once you think you're done, can you also add that text as a note within Puducherry, Languages with official status in India. As you are the author of the text if you add it I wouldn't have to worry about attribution syntax! cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 07:36, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

I did think of doing that but felt unsure given that we still aren't sure whether there are three or four languages, that would confuse even more readers. Not much we can do here though, I'll get to it. Good day. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 07:42, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Still there? I just began at Puducherry#Official languages of government and it blatantly proclaims that "Contrary to a still widespread belief, the French language has no official status" using this as a source. I did use translate on it and towards the end it does mention something about French, but I didn't find it explicitly implying it, maybe a case of OR. Could you take a look at it and assess its reliability? -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:57, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

This ref seems reasonable, sort of what I had alluded to -- the Official Language Act being silent on French which leads some to think that it eliminated French while others say that it just doesn't address the status of French. The court website says one thing, the languages commission says another and so on. I'm going to ask @Abecedare: to chime in here as he makes good sense of language problems. —SpacemanSpiff 03:47, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Maybe busy on a weekend so no reply. I've read it again, it just questions the lack of any mention about French as you said, nowhere any explicit mention that it isn't. Thus, the "contrary to popular belief..." statement misrepresents the source to some extent. Then I'll remove that part and replace it with the new summary of it. ‑Ugog Nizdast (talk) 16:02, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

I saw a vacation notice put up for until the 25th and that he might not respond quick enough. We've had this piece of the 'pedia messed up for so long that I don't think the next dozen days ought to matter much. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 16:46, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

(note: moved to Talk:Official languages of Puducherry#Status of French ‑Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:12, 15 June 2015 (UTC))

Will take a look and add my 2c (may be a day from now). Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 17:15, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Barnstar of Diligence

	Barnstar of Diligence
	For your efforts in taking up coordination of Tag and Assess 2014 and bringing it to a successful close. Wish you achieve many more in the India related projects. VasuVR (talk, contribs) 04:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your warm wishes. I'll do my best. ‑Ugog Nizdast (talk) 06:59, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Dwarf Fortress

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:57, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	For your generally stellar editing, whether on content creation, housekeeping, or talk-page discussions. Keep it up! Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:45, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Vanamonde, your recognition means a lot. ‑Joel (Ugog Nizdast (talk)) 17:51, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

25,000+

Thank you for the barnstar! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 20:40, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your kind guidance.Priyadarshivishal23 (talk) 05:16, 17 July 2015 (UTC)priyadarshivishal23.

Editing 'Shivaji'

Hi Ugog Nizdast,I have edited wikipedia of'Shivaji' with relevant references.why my content is removed?Please elaborateAbhijeetRBonde (talk) 04:26, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi @AbhijeetRBonde: See what is a reliable sources. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 04:29, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Ugog Nizdast: I appreciate your action & suggestions regarding reliable source. But the reference provided by me is best to my knowledge & does not hurt anyone's sentiments & it is neutral in all aspects.Unfortunately ,this particular news was not published in many newspapers or web sites & that doesn't mean that it was false or misleading. Hope you help me out on this.AbhijeetRBonde (talk) 04:40, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@AbhijeetRBonde: I didn't say that the content is false or misleading, but the source definitely isn't up to our standards. An article about an historical figure should ideally contain sources written by historians, to a lesser extent from popular media etc. not polemic websites. We cannot use it here. In short, if it was important, the reliable sources would have mentioned it. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 04:51, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@Ugog Nizdast: Ok Ugog. In support of my claim I am giving these 4 additional references.Please check them .

    Ref 1:-"http://www.sakaaltimes.com/NewsDetails.aspx?NewsId=4829632782165884417&SectionId=5171561142064258099&SectionName=Pune&NewsTitle=Historian+recalls+Shivaji%E2%80%99s+war+tactics", title='Historian recalls Shivaji’s war tactics'
    Ref 2:-"http://organiser.org/Encyc/2013/12/30/Pioneer-in-reconstructing-the-bonds--Baleshwar-Agarwal.aspx", title='Chhatrapati Shivaji: Inspiration for Vietnamese'
    Ref 3:-"http://www.fropper.com/post/117370", title= 'Tribute To The Gr8 Son Of India Shivaji By a Foreign Country'
    Ref 4:-"http://www.answers.com/Q/Why_ho_chi_mi_of_Vietnam_installed_statue_of_chhatrapatil_shivaji_in_Vietnam",title='Why ho chi mi of Vietnam installed statue of chhatrapatil shivaji in Vietnam?' 
     Hope these will be accepted as valid proofs in support of my claim & my content will be recovered soon.AbhijeetRBonde (talk) 05:07, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@AbhijeetRBonde: answers.com and fropper.com are sites where anybody can post. www.sakaaltimes.com and organiser.org aren't even mainstream media. Adding multiple unreliable sources instead of a single reliable one doesn't help. See WP:UNDUE. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 05:14, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@Ugog Nizdast: Thanks for your time & suggestions.Hope after some days I will get back to you with more reliable source which supports my claim which currently looking irrelevant & misleading to you & concerned authorities.My intentions was just to spread a good universal message to entire world regarding the good deeds & ideals set by Maratha Warrior Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj which find its importance across the boundaries & continents. AbhijeetRBonde (talk) 05:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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Making misuse

Making misuse of your seniority on Wikipedia: whatever edit I have done I have given reference to it i.e I have proved it. I will not edit the way you like it you are not owner of wikipedia that If you dont like it you will block me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prasannarane61993 (talk • contribs) 12:55, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

@Prasannarane61993: That was just a warning since anybody can get blocked for violating the Three Revert Rule, over your repeated additions to India. Another one edit and I think you'll cross the limit. I urge you to discuss on Talk:India and to comment on content, not contributor. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:01, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

The problem is that I added a fact on Maharashtra Contribution to India Gdp proved it by giving a reference as page on Goverment on India site but There are many AntiMaharashtra People who didnt like it What can I do in this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prasannarane61993 (talk • contribs) 13:12, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

@Prasannarane61993: First we assume good faith on other editors. Then once you take this to Talk:India, many editors will see your post and discuss it. On a side note, sign your posts and thread your discussions by typing ':' like how I did here. Good luck, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:16, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Ugog Nizdast, I'd like to repeat what I have told the user, and Spacemanspiff in the past, just to keep you in the loop. The said user has not added any source for any of their claims, you can check their talk, my talk and Talk:Mumbai for more. They have made absurd claims in the past, none of which were backed up by a single source, and three days ago posted on Spiff's talk about the antiMaharashtra edits, and something about Palestine. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:27, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh. Was a little aware of that, but you know, thought that rather than crossing 3RR, it would be better if it ended all at Talk:India and not the ANEW. -‑Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:37, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

That would serve no purpose to be honest. The user, when last ask to present their opinions on the talk page, flooded it with same vague talks about some nonexistent law. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:11, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

The Problem Is of IQ Level I think ,Whatever Edits I did Were Truth and Official But Only Educated Person Knows To Be UnBiased and Truthful also Has Much More Knowledge.

In my edit of page of India and Economy of India I had given Facts and Also Given Reference.But then also my edits removed I am warned. Some one saying the page is related to India not Maharashtra. Maharashtra is part of India but also in this Pages Gujarat and Other States Praised but when I put Some fact about Maharashtra this things very difficult for them to Digest. My edits Were also targeted because they were not related to what this Senior people Like and related to their Region of Interest. The problem is that I added a fact on Maharashtra Contribution to India Gdp proved it by giving a reference as page on Goverment on India site but There are many AntiMaharashtra People.

Proof Of How user named Rsrikant is biased see edit history Of page of Ulhasnagar with sindhi language script in lead was Ignored by Rsrikant but he Warned Me of Marathi Script in Lead.This Page was ignored for long time which show How double Standard he is which was finally edited by me and he says he is Maharashtrian. No one is Maharashtrian by name but by action and belief ,I think his mind is Poisioned with AntiMaharashtra agenda.

You will find Many Pages with False Information given by editing but this Biased people keep quit.

I will Not Tolerate this Injustice at all.In my I have Never Bend in front of Any one and always Supported Truth .

I Know the world today is not good but I have full Confidence that Truth will always win.