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Hello, I saw your note at the Tea House, and wanted to extend a hand of welcome. I am brand new myself and have almost no idea what I'm doing, so take this with a grain of salt... and of course, wait for more seasoned editors to respond to you because I think they will. I don't know how to add color or boxes either!! What I found interesting for myself is going to topic areas I am interested in, and seeing if there are suggestions I would like to make. So that I don't offend the authors/editors, I edit the Talk page of that article and suggest some revisions, and then "watch" the page and see if anyone responds. I've also taken bolder steps, such as making the edits, but I think it's better to edit the talk page first out of courtesy to the Wikipedians that are active in developing the article. As I said I'm brand new and can't offer any real advice, but if you want to ask me anything, feel free! Nice to meet you. Cityside189 (talk) 00:33, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice! Nice to meet you too. Glacialfrost (talk) 00:43, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I deleted your comment on Teahouse because it was also on here. I hope thats ok. Glacialfrost (talk) 00:46, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Also Cityside189 I think we should be buddies on here because we are both new as far as sharing new things we learn so be can both progress faster. I suggest doing the wikipedia adventure because that taught me a lot but it took like 45 min for me and I got all the badges on my page. Glacialfrost (talk) 00:50, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

OK user:glacialfrost! Cityside189 (talk) 02:51, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

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Mentorship

Hi Glacialfrost. The Wikipedia Co-Op project has allocated you a mentor - it's me. Hello. I see you've already stormed through the Wikipedia adventure, so you should already have a pretty good grasp of the basics - what do you want to do next? Yunshui ^雲_水 09:00, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I had a question on the teahouse page that might show my issues at the moment. And also I just want to know a little bit more about all the roles on the site as far as different tasks I can do, so to clarify, not roles like admin or bureaucrat. And also I just want to know a little more about editing, the spexifics specified in that teahouse question. Thanks ^雲_水. Glacialfrost (talk) 17:23, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Okay, lots of questions there. Here goes...

1. ..."I looked at some of the pages that were marked with having issues like grammar and references and I didn't have enought knowledge on some of them to even make some of the simple edits ..."

   Generally, you don't need an in-depth knowledge of a subject to fix grammar issues, or even to locate references. Say, for example, you find the unreferenced statement in an article that, "Dentist Terry Todkins also owned a bicycle shop in Montana". You don't need to know anything about dentistry, Terry Todkins, cycling or Montana to punch the appropriate search terms into Google ("terry todkins" +cycle +montana) to see what comes back. After that, all you need to know is how to identify a reliable source (hint: try reading WP:Identifying reliable sources) and how to cite it once you've tracked it down (try my primer on the subject).

2. "Are there any other things to do on Wikipedia...?"

   Yes, loads, although they all work towards improving the encyclopedia. Basic article fixes - what you'll see referred to as wikignoming - is bread and butter to many editors; I myself don't do very much of it. My personal preference was article creation: tracking down something interesting and writing about it. Have a look at this essay for some pointers to get you started. The fundamental rule of article creation is that the subject must be notable - see the Golden Rule of Wikipedia for a simple explanation of what that means.

   As well as article creation, you could get into anti-vandalism (protecting articles from malicious edits; check out this essay for instructions. As you get more experienced, you could also consider getting into dispute resolution, reviewing draft articles, or taking articles up to good or featured status. There are numerous WikiProjects you can join, which focus on improving specific areas of the encyclopedia, and there are also plenty of noticeboards where the policies and processes of Wikipedia are discussed. Take your pick!

3. "... is there a easy way to figure out what isnt already on here?"

   Type it into the Search box. If we don't already have an article, Wikipedia will tell you.

4. "... how to I get the little rectangles on my page?"

   You mean userboxes? Just pick the ones you want from the gallery and copy the template code (e.g. {{User:UBX/CanLearnALot}} onto your userpage.

5. "... I dont understand what subpages are used for ..."

   WP:UP will give you some idea. To see what I use subpages for, have a look at the entries in Special:PrefixIndex/User:Yunshui/. Drafts, navigation, useful Wikipedia stuff, links to articles or polices - whack it all in subpages.

6. "... is there a article that explains how to color my signature?"

   See WP:SIG for the gory details, but basically you can customise your signature in your Preferences, using WikiMarkup. Colours can be achieved with something like <span style="color:purple;">Glacialfrost</span>, which will give you this: Glacialfrost.

7. "... I just want to know a little bit more about all the roles on the site..."

   You can read up on the available userrights, but to be honest I wouldn't worry too much about them for now; you won't be eligible for any of them until you've done a fair bit of editing.

I think that covers everything... Yunshui ^雲_水 21:11, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks so much Yunshui for writing out responses to all those. Thats a lot of good info to help me get started. Ill be sure to stay in touch as more questions come up and if any further issues arise so I can get suggestions for communication. Thank You. Glacialfrost (talk) 21:17, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

WP:Pinging me by linking my username (as you did in the message immediately above) will get my attention, as will posting on my own talkpage. You won't get any more from me tonight, though; I'm off to bed. Yunshui ^雲_水 21:19, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok, Youll see this tomorrow and respond I guess. So does writing your name in a link form alert you then, could you explain that a little more. And by roles on the site, I meant as far as jobs to do like editting articles with grammar issues, creating articles, etc. If there are any more. I have heard vandalism mentioned, so like is there a job around that? I hope I clarifyed what I asked earlier. So this alerts you then?- Yunshui Glacialfrost (talk) 21:22, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Nevermind the comment above, I didnt read tour post too thouroughly before reading it and now, i noticed that you did in fact answer it. Glacialfrost (talk) 21:39, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I appreciate the helpful tutorial for creating articles on your user page. I read the signature page and factored in your code to come up with a colored signature. And I think I am going to work on creating redirects. I found out about them from the wikignomes article you suggested and found a page stuffed full of ones needing to be made. They seem easy enough and I think I might be able to get through 100, thats my goal so I guess well see tomorrow. Thank you for being a grest help so far. GlacialFrost (Talk) 05:21, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Oops. I messed up. I thought that I could just approve requests on that page and put in the redirects so I did for about 15 pages and then I found out that I had to be an official reviewer to do that and had to undo my approvals and had to figure out how to get pages deleted and then had to put the template on all the pages. A lot of work, but at least I learned from it and know to be careful on pages like that and how to make redirects. GlacialFrost (Talk) 06:27, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I think that tomorrow, I will toy around with those archive boxes because comments are building up on my page. Tonight, I might create an article even though its 11:30 my time. And tomorrow after figuring out an article or two, I think that I will look into the anti-vandalism stuff. If you have any tips for the archive box or anything extra than your essay for the vandalism stuff, please share any of that personal insight because I have the articles but some further tips are always appreciated. Sorry about all the updates, I just want to fill you in as I progress. GlacialFrost (Talk) 06:32, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I just created this article The Society of Arts and Crafts of Boston. I dont know how to add pictures , just how to insert them from wikipedia common. So I think I will also try to figure that out tomorrow. If you have a article on how to do that, that would be great but I can probably find it in like 10 min. tomorrow anyway. I came across the stub contest and might participate in that too. Thanks for exposing me to all these new things, now theres almost too much for me to do on here. GlacialFrost (Talk) 07:23, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I edited a stub and figueed out how to putt in a table and learned how to show a diff [1]. I submitted that one in the stub contest. GlacialFrost (Talk) 08:34, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Pictures? Yep, got an essay for that too: User:Yunshui/Images for beginners. Your new article has a more pressing problem, though; it doesn't appear to be sufficiently notable for the encyclopedia, since it's only sourced to the society's own website. Have another look at this, and then try and find some sources which meet those requirements. Otherwise, I'm afraid, it's likely to be deleted out of hand.

Regarding the AFC requests, it's not too difficult to become a reviewer; just hang around for a few months and make at least 500 article edits. These are far from insurmountable barriers; just keep editing and you'll pass the bar fairly soon.

IMHO, archiving is best done by a bot; just copy the following script and paste it to the top of this page:

{{User:MiszaBot/config
 |archiveheader = {{talk archive navigation}}
 |maxarchivesize = 70K
 |counter = 1
 |minthreadsleft = 4
 |minthreadstoarchive = 1
 |algo = old(15d)
 |archive = User talk:Glacialfrost/Archive %(counter)d
 }}
 {{archives}}

You can do it manually, but it's a hassle; better to let the bot do the work...

Nice work on the stub, but again, sources! Yunshui ^雲_水 08:42, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Ill work on more sources today. GlacialFrost (Talk) 18:00, 14 August 2015 (UTC) Yunshui, is there a way I can edit that code above to only put a certain number of conversations? I think I only need 10 or 15 per archive but how many does it normally do? And if it needs a second archive page, I obviously need to create that second page so what happens if you get what I mean. Thanks. GlacialFrost (Talk) 18:09, 14 August 2015 (UTC) K, I added another source to that Arts and Crafts page. Im gonna expand some stubs and maybe create another article.

Flying visit as I'm on my way to bed again (clearly we're in very different timezones, or you just stay up late). You can change the maxarchivesize value to set how large an archive should be allowed to grow before you start a new one; 70K is middling, for 10-15 conversations per archive you'd need a value of about 20k. I would recommend keeping it fairly large, though; it's much better to have a small number of large archives than hundreds of really short ones. You don't need to worry about creating them either, the bot will do that. Sleepy time for me now; I'll try and take a look at your edits tomorrow. Yunshui ^雲_水 22:05, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks I might make it in the middle at 40k then. Im in CA and do stay up till 1 sometimes. GlacialFrost (Talk) 22:10, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I just made another article at Daniel B. Burnett Jr. GlacialFrost (Talk) 03:32, 15 August 2015 (UTC) Hi Yunshui. Today I started some anti vandalism work. An Administrator below took notice and gave me some tips. They also confirmed me so I could enable Twinkle and figure it out. Once I figured Twinkle out, it made my job a lot easier and I caught a lot of vandals. Then, I found my way to the new users page and used twinkle to welcome a few of them. GlacialFrost (Talk) 04:27, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, looks like we need to have a quick talk about how copyright works on Wikipedia. I have some pretty serious concerns with your Daniel B. Burnett Jr. article in this respect. Although a number of words and phrases have been changed, much of the text is still very clearly a close paraphrase of the Ryan Flying Reporter source. I'm guessing you copy-pasted the text from there and made changes to it before saving; generally, that's not a good idea. Close paraphrasing is as much of a copyright violation as directly copying the text; replacing words with synonyms and slightly restructuring the sentences is not sufficient to generate a new creative work, which is what you need to do in order to avoid infringing on the original author's copyright.

Now in this particular case, you might not have a problem; as with the images, it looks as though the text may be old enough to be public domain (which is the only reason I haven't deleted it outright). I would guess, though, (judging from the licences under which you uploaded the photographs, which have since been corrected) that you weren't aware of this - you need to be extremely careful when reusing text or images on Wikipedia that you aren't inadvertently breaking the law by trying to release copyrighted material under a free licence. If a picture or a piece of text doesn't clearly state that it is free to reuse without restriction (either by release under a free licence or by virtue of being in the public domain) don't use it on Wikipedia. Just a word of advice for the future.

Setting that aside, the article itself is a good bit of work; it needs more inline citations but other than that is pretty decent. Here's a trick to allow you to cite the same source more than once:

• The first time you use the source, replace the initial <ref> tag with this: <ref name="insert suitable reference shortcut">. For example, for the first reference in the Burnett article, you might use <ref name="jneaircraft">.
• When you want to use the reference again, instead of typing the whole thing out, just use <ref name="jneaircraft"/> (note tha slash at the end). This creates an inline citation to the same source.

Using this, you can cite the same reference for multiple statements in the article. Have a look at the first few references in Hu Zhengyan to see what it looks like in practice. Yunshui ^雲_水 07:36, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I actually didnt copy and paste it but I had it in aother tab and was choosing what I wanted to put in and I guess I didn't get too creative with the wording. So Ill change the wording and put in more references today. GlacialFrost (Talk) 17:26, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

I'm just popping by to say thanks for adding your 2 cents to the CSI discussion. It can get irritating sometimes, and of course the senior editor is always given a lot more levity than other editors which can make for a very one sided discussion. I appreciate your advice and I look forward to seeing you bobbing around wikipedia. For some reason Drmargi deleted your comments, but I wouldn't take it too personally, it happens to us all! --Unframboise (talk) 23:51, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I know Unframboise, Drmargi called me a twerp and started a sockpuppet investigation on me that turned out as a no so I feel for you. I dont know if you read the comment but I pretty much made some suggestions to make the conversation less mean overall. Drmargi was just angry at my opinion of them and thats probably why they deleted the comment. Im not coming back to the CSI discussion after the harrassment from Drmargi but I wish all of you the best in coming to a decision. Glacialfrost (talk) 00:08, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I did read the comment, yes. What's funny is during our disagreement I quoted word for word things she has said to me in the past (such as the 'Troll be Gone' edit summary) and, when she did it, it was not blinked at, but coming from me it suggested I was being intimidating etc. It's very odd and I hoped that wikipedia would be more of a community than a matriarchy, but alas, we can't have everything. Hopefully one day an admin will take note and realise all is not as it seems! The conversation was very mean overall and whilst I admit I was not very kind, it was definitely a two way thing, so me being blocked I felt was unjustified (especially when the reason given was "being a jerk(!)". Anyway, glad your investigation worked out in your favour! --Unframboise (talk) 00:32, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I do think the block was justified after your comment, not necessarily with the exuse being a jerk, but was justified. But after today, I have seen how Drmargi can push one to their edge and cross the line in pushing peoples buttons so I think that your response was asked for in a way after Drmargi's actions. Ill see you around Unframboise and im sure that youll get through the CSI feud and again, I wish you good luck on coming to a compromise as it seems like everyone over there needs it with Drmargi spreading fuel over everything . Glacialfrost (talk) 00:44, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Oto (Valle de Broto)

Hello Glacialfrost,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Oto (Valle de Broto) for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Amitbanerji26 (talk) 05:26, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Glacialfrost, I've noticed your anti-vandalism efforts on AIV and you've done a good job. I have a few tidbits to help you out. First, please only give out one warning at a time – not four as you did here. The general rule is one warning per one reversion. Those edits by the IP were fine, as well. The section that the IP deleted was not sourced and it kinda read like it should belong on promotional website for the movie. Also, there is a great tool called twinkle that is very useful in reverting vandalism. It is far easier and faster to use than to manually undo edits as you have been doing. A couple of days using twinkle and I can add the rollback feature to your account. Welcome to Wikipedia you are picking it up fast. —GFOLEY FOUR!— 00:01, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank You Gfoley4. I read about twinkle on my mentor's essay on vandalism but I am not confirmed so I can't enable it yet. But when I get confirmed, Ill be sure to test it out. Sorry about the multiple warnings, I thought the edits were wrong so Ill make sure to see if the content was ok to be removed in the future. Also sorry about the multiple warnings, I gave one for each edit. Ill just give one in the future. Thank you for the tidbits, they are helpful to me learning. GlacialFrost (Talk) 00:06, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Wow, I totally forgot that you were not autoconfirmed yet... so I just confirmed you. Go have fun with twinkle, it's great for adding warnings to users as well! —GFOLEY FOUR!— 00:12, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Thats great! Thanks for helping me get started a little faster and being so friendly, Ill get started with figuring it out Gfoley4. GlacialFrost (Talk) 00:17, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Wow thanks Gfoley4. I already used it to revert two vandals and it made it much easier to send them the message so now I dont have to copy and paste it and go to their page from history and whatnot. Itll still take a while for me to get the hang of it fully but it makes things much easier for me. Ill update you in a few days on how im doing. If you have any other tips on vandalism, let me know because its better that I learn the right way rather than having to correct myself later. GlacialFrost (Talk) 00:30, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Alright, I have a few more tips for you. If you revert vandalism it's even easier to give them a warning using twinkle. On a talk page click the "TW" tab on the top and hit "warn." It will then give you all of the different warning templates that are available. And if you decide to manually warn an user, put {{subst:uw-vandalism-1}} ~~~~ instead of just {{uw-vandalism-1}} ~~~~. This will substitute the template which is common practice on warnings. —GFOLEY FOUR!— 00:41, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I just finished reading on twinkle and figured out the first tip but Ill keep the second one in mind. GlacialFrost (Talk) 00:55, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

I've got an essay for that... Yunshui ^雲_水 07:37, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Fabrice Olinga

Hi there GF, from Portugal,

I don't doubt your best intentions whilst reverting me, but judging by the fact you yourself have been reverted by an administrator in this footballer's article, I knew I was onto something. I have been fighting vandalism with all my heart in the almost nine years I have been here (in this case, it's not exactly vandalism, but the other person wanted to insert TRIVIA in an ENCYCLOPEDIA).

Attentively, happy editing --84.90.219.128 (talk) 01:10, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Im sorry if I offended you, I assumed you were blanking the page as vandalism. GlacialFrost (Talk) 01:13, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Rublyovka

I'm sorry you didn't think my changes were constructive, however the text of the History section is copied word for word from the website it sites as a reference. http://www.dursthoff.de/book.php?m=3&aid=59&PHPSESSID=fe9852b113974a6faf70a10f89282766&bid=145&PHPSESSID=fe9852b113974a6faf70a10f89282766

It's clearly a violation of Wikipedia copyright policy and the text should be removed until rewritten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.170.198.158 (talk) 04:36, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry if I made a mistake. GlacialFrost (Talk) 04:40, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JervisCottonBelly

Hi Glacialfrost - I noticed you filed this sockpuppet investigation. In the future for those might-be-but-not-sure cases, leaving a {{uw-agf-sock}} warning on the users' talk pages might be enough. I've found that some new users are just ignorant of the rules surrounding multiple accounts, and this one warning is enough to stop them. Of course, persistent behaviour by one or more of the suspect accounts would warrant an escalation to SPI.

Thanks for your efforts so far to fight vandalism... there's no such thing as having too much help. Cheers. --Drm310 (talk) 05:24, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Nice to meet you Drm310. Thanks for the advice, Ill use that template in the future. See you around GlacialFrost (Talk) 05:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

You need a great deal more to go on in an SPI that that, I'm afraid. The writing styles, which you claimed were similar, were in fact completely different (see my comments at the SPI) and other than the fact that all three users created pages named after their accounts (which, as North of Eden pointed out, is very common) their edits show no relationship to one another at all. Please be careful when filing SPIs; you need to be able to show substantive, plausible evidence that accounts are being operated by the same person. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:00, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok, the three accounts showed up in recent changes doing the same thing like two minutes right after the other with similar usernames doing the same type of thing so I made an improper assumption. I will make sure I have more to bacj myself up if something else happens in the future. GlacialFrost (Talk) 17:33, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Reverting

A gentle word of advice: go easy on the Twinkle reverting. Since the tool makes this process much easier, it's co-commitantly easier to make mistakes, and it's also very easy to get on the community's bad side through over-enthusiastic Twinkle use. You need to take as much time over reverting with Twinkle as you would if you were doing it manually - for example, issuing a top-level warning for an edit which actually tidied up the article is excessive - that edit probably shouldn't have been reverted in the first place. The notices above also seem to indicate that you aren't being as thorough as you might need to be with Twinkle. I mention this because I've seen more than one new editor dive headfirst into anti-vandalism, make mistakes, and end up blocked for disruption - you aren't at that point yet, and you can avoid it becoming a problem if you take care with your edits. Yunshui ^雲_水 07:49, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I just have issues with the section blanking ones. I do take some time and even look into somes account history to tell if they are a recurrent vandal but I still don't get it right sometimes because people dont always give a edit summary. So Ill be more careful with that but still Im sure that I will get a message every once in a while and then, I just need to handle it with professionalism and make sure the edit is reverted back. Ill read your essay on twinkle too because I didnt know you had one before. Thanks GlacialFrost (Talk) 17:30, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Disruptive use of Twinkle

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Food Network Star (season 10). Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been reverted or removed.

• If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor then please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant notice boards.
• If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, please seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive, until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively could result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you.. Your use of Twinkle to revert a valid edit not once but twice is disruptive, and bordering on edit warring. You clearly didn't do some basic research on the reverts you make; you obviously hadn't read the edit summary that accompanied my removal of the link to a TV show that will never happen or you'd never have reverted. You need to turn off Twinkle and get back to manual content editing, or find somewhere else to play. --Drmargi (talk) 18:28, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

@Yunshui:, you've got to get him under control or block him. He left his tablet running Twinkle to have breakfast according to his message on my talk page, making how many (??) unsupervised reverts, including reverting a valid edit I made TWICE in the course of a couple minutes. He's leaving a trail of aggressive and inappropriate warnings, ANV and SPI filings in his wake. Now, he's approaching 50% edits in talk space, mostly with aggressive and multiple warnings, and generally playing hall monitor with ONE WEEK's experience on the site. He's not competent to be doing anything fighting vandalism, when he clearly has no grasp of the basics of editing and, having made a gesture at content production, has abandoned it in favor of running Twinkle full time. He's not here to build an encyclopedia, and the sooner we come to grips with the growing disruption he's becoming, the better. --Drmargi (talk) 18:28, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

As I said on your talk page, I am sorry for the accidental edits reverting you. I apologized and did all that I could to make it right so please recognize that. I think that it is best if we both receed to opposite corners of the wikipedian interweb as there is plenty of room and again, I am sorry for breaking that boundary. Communication is not productive between us so please leave me alone as I will you. GlacialFrost (Talk) 18:34, 17 August 2015 (UTC)