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Prior Park Landscape Garden is currently an Art and architecture good article nominee. Nominated by — Rod ^talk at 10:45, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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Not much information here. Who owned it after Allen? When did the National Trust take over? Deipnosophista (talk) 22:09, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Prior Park redirect

Should Prior Park really direct to this page, as Prior Park is the house and it's not really the same as the gardens! Abbyemery 12:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Four left

What are the four palladian bridges left? (1) Stowe (2) Prior Park (3) Tsarskoye Selo (4) .. ? Something tells me there might be more. NVO (talk) 19:19, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wilton House - see Wilton_House#The_gardens_and_grounds 86.147.160.133 (talk) 13:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

Probably not worth putting on the Prior Park page itself, but possibly of interest.86.147.160.133 (talk) 13:39, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Some notes

I saw this was nominated for GA and I thought it should be noting that it is not home to one of four Palladian bridges, but to one of four in its specific style. Also the screen wall is known as Sham Bridge, a reference I believe to the nearby, somewhat related Sham Castle.--TangoTizerWolfstone (talk) 08:22, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comment. The wikilink in both the lead and the section point to Palladian architecture so this is the architectural style - do you think it would be better to change the link to make it is clear it is the style which is being referred to? Re Sham Bridge: This source says "Thus the Sham Bridge at Prior Park is reminiscent of Kent's cascade at Chiswick House, or Venus' Vale at Rousham", but doesn't mention Sham Castle. My understanding is that Sham Castle was built for the view from Ralph Allen's Town House, Bath rather than Prior Park.— Rod ^talk 18:04, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is still correct to Palladian architecture so I don't see any problem there, and that I noted a somewhat relation between Sham Bridge and Sham Castle was just that they were Ralph Allen-coined "sham" follies, and wanted to note the name of Sham Bridge as it was not mentioned in the article. I'm certainly no expert on producing GAs but I just thought I'd help out.--TangoTizerWolfstone (talk) 19:56, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've made some edits which I hope are in line with what you are thinking?— Rod ^talk 20:15, 29 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well all looks good to me :) Good luck with the GA nomination. --TangoTizerWolfstone (talk) 03:13, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 09:56, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - nice piece of work.

I think I'd be happier to see where the Garden is before being told who designed it.
- Reworded.— Rod ^talk 12:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Funnily enough, I don't think poet needs linking but landscape gardener perhaps does...
- Links changed.— Rod ^talk 12:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a suitable link for "Grade I listed"?
- I don't think so - different to listed building etc.— Rod ^talk 12:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
National Trust is overlinked in the lead; worse: the second one is incorrect.
- Changed.— Rod ^talk 12:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"orihinally" typo.
- Ooops - fixed.— Rod ^talk 12:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Humphrey Colles, then Matthew Colhurst" any context for who these folks were?
- Both MPs - the reference given doesn't say this but History of Parliament gives their details but doesn't include ownership of Prior Park so I'm not sure whether to include additional references for the claim that they were MPs?— Rod ^talk 12:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - It would be helpful, otherwise you might as well just say it was purchased twice, and not include the details. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:09, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - Links & refs added.— Rod ^talk 20:27, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Purchased by Ralph Allen in the 1720s.[2] Prior Park's " comma probably.
- Changed.— Rod ^talk 12:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Prior Park's 11.3 hectares ... house, Prior Park," this works oddly to me, you link Prior Park on the second instance in this sentence, and it appears you may be using Prior Park to describe both the Garden and the house in the same sentence...
- I've removed the second reference to Prior Park which at the time was all one thing which included both house & gardens.— Rod ^talk 12:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
English landscape garden is overlinked.
- I see this once in the lead & once in 18th century design.— Rod ^talk 12:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Twice in the latter section. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:09, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - Ah one was English Landscape Garden and once English Garden - both pointing to the same place - now done.— Rod ^talk 15:25, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"1750s and '60s" not sure on MOS here, but I would prefer to see 1760s rather than '60s.
- Done.— Rod ^talk 12:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Prior Park's 11.3 hectares (28 acres) English landscape garden was laid out" vs "In 1993 11.3 hectares (28 acres) of the park" so, all of it?
- Yep (everything but the house/school) removed in the Restoration section.— Rod ^talk
Plus I'd expect a comma after 1993.
- Is this still needed now the area has been removed?— Rod ^talk 12:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 23 could use an en-dash in that year range rather than a hyphen.
- I've never understood the purpose of this distinction, but hopefully done.— Rod ^talk 12:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Neat article, a few issues noted above, so I'll place it on hold for a bit. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:27, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"During 1737, at least 55,200 trees, mostly elm and Scots pine, were planted, along the sides and top of the valley. The valley floor remained as grassland and drainage water was channelled to form fish ponds at the bottom of the valley." needs referencing, then I think we're done. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ref added (in the history tab of the Parks & Gardens UK record).— Rod ^talk 21:21, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All good, I'll pass to GA. If you could just tweak that ISBN so it's the "preferred" format, that'd be great. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:06, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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