Talk:Obsessive–compulsive disorder

Notes

Remission rates need to be incorporated.

The whole section which says symptoms persist for moderate amounts evne with therapy is false and harmful. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23561228

According to this remission is way more common

Verbal IQ / link

The phrase "verbal IQ" in the lede should be linked, but I'm not sure where. I chose these as candidates and tentatively linked it to the first one:
Linguistic_intelligence
Verbal_fluency_test
Wechsler_Adult_Intelligence_Scale#Verbal_IQ_.28VIQ.29

Personally I find it absurd that an entire article is 99% negative. "OCD" is a different brain type that results in good things and bad things. Isn't a verbal IQ a great thing to have? Wouldn't some people wash their hands more in exchange for a higher verbal/linguistic ability? This is my general beef with abnormal psychiatry, but even factoring it out, the article should do more to promote the positives of the OCD brain type. Squish7 (talk) 02:25, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry! As myself having OCD, I find Linguistic Intelligence is not the sufficient word to express the general character which was prevalent before that edit. Of course, Linguistic Intelligence is one form of intelligence. But with that one, all other types go unnoticed, if you know what I mean. I think I should put back the earlier edit with some modifications! :)

Robin Mathew Rajan (talk) 22:51, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Kudos to whoever changed "verbal IQ" to "intelligence"! (Robin Mathew Rajan?) This is more considerate and accurate (at least if the positives of the OCD brain-type have to be summed up in one phrase; personally I'd go with "superpower" but then I'd re-write the whole DSM to be less cruel). If anyone feels this phrase should be specified, please re-write in a manner that at least maintains the minimal positivity the article currently harbors. Squish7 (talk) 07:46, 1 May 2015 (UTC) Include [[User:Squish7]] to ping me in replies.

Sorry, but articles, particularly medical articles, are not written according to a few opinions on the talk page or to "maintain positivity". The statement in the article is based on a reliable source, so unless someone comes up with another reliable source that contradicts the current statement, it stays as is. Sundayclose (talk) 00:03, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia's goal to reflect medical consensus. Contrary opinions only get brief mentions, if at all. There is most certainly a link between OCD and some positive traits, such as above average intelligence, that should be mentioned. Andrea Carter (at your service | my good deeds) 09:17, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Common Personality Traits and OCD

Of course not all people are same and everyone have got their own skill set. But we should think what do we have in common? Sometimes a 'vague' is just enough to express something entirely!

To those who object, please define the 'feelings hunger, thirst, happy sad etc.'

We can't clearly define those feelings with words right?

For the feeling 'hunger', we can 'vaguely' say, it's a feeling from stomach.

For the feeling 'thirst', we can 'vaguely' say, it's a feeling from stomach.

For the feeling happy, we can 'vaguely' say, it's a type of emotional feeling when we just feels happy!

For the feeling sad, we can 'vaguely' say, it's a type of emotional feeling when we just feels sad!

These are feelings and we can't define some feelings with the correct word in any Language. Those feelings can't be described unless we feel it ourselves. So we express it vaguely because we can't 'exactly describe' what it is.

And hence, sometimes a 'vague word' is just enough to convey what it is to be conveyed!

Robin Mathew Rajan (talk) 23:28, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Not sure what the purpose of this is? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:34, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Just an attempt to show we can't clearly and exactly describe everything in this universe with words of any Language. Words have their own limitations. If you're one of the thinking types, why we use a emoticons? Can't us just simply type 'smile' instead of a smiley? Just because the emoticons represents a human face with how humans express feelings. The word 'Smile' doesn't show us the how 'Smile' appears on human faces but emoticons do. It's just my attempt, to show how 'vague' words are beautiful or apt in some contexts. Of course, we all are interested in this topic because we have something in common right?

Robin Mathew Rajan (talk) 23:50, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Robin. This is a Talk page for discussing improvements to the article. It is not a forum for discussing OCD. Please don't abuse the talk page. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 00:03, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

That was the same I was doing, making improvements to the article. But I'm sorry if you found my intentions otherwise! Regards, Robin Mathew Rajan (talk) 00:28, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Suggestions

The first sentence of the first section should be considered for revision. Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is no longer considered an "Anxiety Disorder". In the newest revision of the DSM (DSM-5, 2013), OCD is included in the new section, Obsessive-Compulsive and Related Disorders.

Throughout the article, the word "symptoms" is used in a misleading way. It is important to note that "signs" and "symptoms" are very different things. Excessive hand washing, checking, etc. are signs - as they are observable by others. Symptoms are subjective and are only identified once verbalized by the person.

Also, a clearer distinction between the difference between obsessions and compulsions would benefit the article. Obsessions are unwanted, intrusive, and recurrent thoughts. Compulsions are repetitive physical or mental acts that the person may feel driven to perform in response to an obsession

LaurStuart (talk) 15:38, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2015

I would like to request that the opening line of the information page on OCD is slightly adapted to be more accurate. If possible, can it be altered so it reads:

Obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) is a mental health disorder where people feel negative, repetitive and intrusive thoughts which can cause severe anxiety, and in order to quieten the anxiety, they often have to carry out certain actions or behaviours repeatedly.

This information has been taken off the OCD Action website (a National Charity for people affected by OCD - www.ocdaction.org.uk). Not everyone with OCD feels the need to check or have routines (as the original page states) and the condition can manifest itself in many different ways, therefore I feel this sentence would be much more accurate.

Olive321 (talk) 15:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree that not everyone with OCD feels the need to check or have routines, but I don't find the wording that you extracted from the website to be much of an improvement (just because it's organization focused on OCD doesn't mean they can describe it in one or two sentences any better than mental health professionals). It would make more sense to simply change the word "and" to "or" in the lead sentence ("check things repeatedly, have certain thoughts repeatedly, OR feel they need to perform certain routines repeatedly). The lead sentences doesn't have to encompass every manifestation of the disorder; it is described in more detail later in the article. Sundayclose (talk) 16:39, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

primary source

"It has generally been accepted that psychotherapy, in combination with psychiatric medication, is more effective than either option alone. However, more recent studies have shown no difference in outcomes for those treated with the combination of medicine and CBT versus CBT alone.[61]"

reference is primary source, result of only 1 study. WP:MEDPRI: Primary sources should not be cited or juxtaposed with intent to "debunk", contradict, or counter conclusions made by reliable secondary sources. (Assuming that the first statement can be backed up with reliable secondary sources of course...) Ssscienccce (talk) 01:07, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

non adaptability / OCD as an addiction to behaviour

BBC Horizon - OCD: A Monster in my Mind (2015) reintroduces an old idea, that OCD is a non adaptability to change disorder [or non adaptability plays a major role]

Here the mean article speaks about that aspect, but we need more data from experiments, or data from patients [without their names] etc.

Add more please.