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== Kwork2 ==

I see that you have [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKwork2&type=revision&diff=669952586&oldid=497294153%7C unblocked Kwork2], on the condition that he is "topic banned from all pages related to (a) The Israel-Palestine conflict and relations between Israel and Palestine; and (b) Judaism, both broadly interpreted."

After all these years: I have no problem with this.

However, he dives straight into a I/P discussion on [[WP:ANI]], see: [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Violation_of_NPA.2C_POLEMIC.2C_POVPUSH.2C_CPUSH_of_by_Nishidani|Violation of NPA, POLEMIC, POVPUSH, CPUSH of by Nishidani]] See e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=681984961&oldid=681978875 this]. I just wondered: do you consider that a topic-ban violation, or not? [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 23:19, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

:Damn it [[User:Huldra|Huldra]], you beat me to it. The following was drafted by me on my phone's notepad before I noticed the above.
:{{user|Kwork2}} is violating [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=&diff=prev&oldid=669952586 his TBAN] with six posts in an ANI thread about the Israel-Palestine conflict and one related post on the talk page of the SPA at the heart of the ANI thread, whose username is derived from the conflict, over [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Kwork2&offset=20150920212933&limit=8&target=Kwork2 a 23-hour period]. {{user|Sturmgewehr88}} has already [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=682043951 warned him], but maybe coming from an Arbitrator it would carry more weight.
:[[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 05:44, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
::According to my understanding there is nothing in the arbcom restrictions that prevents me from commenting on AN/I about the conditions of editing, which is what I discussed there. I think that is important, and not a violation of my agreement. Even without the restrictions, I would have had no intention of returning to edit Israel/Palestine conflict articles because I think it is a wast of my time, and additionally stands to accomplish nothing useful. I do have an interest in articles about bridging groups that bring Jews and Arabs together, such as for example [[Hand in Hand: Center for Jewish-Arab Education in Israel]], [[ Neve Shalom]], and [[Arava Institute for Environmental Studies]]; and I hope restrictions will eventually be remove to the extent of allowing some editing in those. [[User:Kwork2|Kwork2]] ([[User talk:Kwork2|talk]]) 11:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
::I should add that I did not attack Nishidani on AN/I, or any place else, and in fact described him as a sincere and conscientious editor. I did say that virtually every editor much involve in the Israel/Palestine conflict articles is pushing a point of view, which is not an opinion unique to me. Indeed the polarization of editing into two conflicting camps is no secret. [[User:Kwork2|Kwork2]] ([[User talk:Kwork2|talk]]) 11:59, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I would still like to hear what LFaraone/ [[WP:BASC|Ban Appeals Subcommittee]] thinks about the matter, [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 22:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Huldra, you seem to be very heavily focused on a single area of editing, and perhaps that caused you to be concerned that I might want to return to editing Israel/Palestine conflict articles, which seems very much your focus of editing. You might want to review [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account]], which states: ''Wikipedia's Arbitration Committee has determined that "single purpose accounts and editors who hold a strong personal viewpoint on a particular topic covered within Wikipedia are expected to contribute neutrally instead of following their own agenda and, in particular, should take care to avoid creating the impression that their focus on one topic is non-neutral, which could strongly suggest that their editing is not compatible with the goals of this project."'' There was never a time when my editing was that much focused on the I/P conflict, or any other area of editing. Some variety in your editing might make your life more enjoyable, because your present single interest is a wiki-battleground. Think about that. [[User:Kwork2|Kwork2]] ([[User talk:Kwork2|talk]]) 00:52, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
{{Reply|Huldra|Hijiri88}}, thank you for reaching out. I've been away the past few days; for the future, violations of {{diff2|669952586|unblock conditions}} placed by BASC may be brought up at [[WP:Arbitration Enforcement|Arbitration Enforcement]]. In re whether this is included in the scope of the restrictions, [[WP:TBAN]] explicitly states that topic bans include {{tq|the ''parts of other pages'' that are related to the topic}}. I've blocked {{user|Kwork2}} for one week. '''[[User:LFaraone|L]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:LFaraone|Faraone]]</font>''' 03:04, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
::LFaraone; thank you for your clarification; in the future I will indeed bring any new violations at [[WP:Arbitration Enforcement|Arbitration Enforcement]] (Though I really hope there will be none), [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 22:03, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

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Kwork2

I see that you have unblocked Kwork2, on the condition that he is "topic banned from all pages related to (a) The Israel-Palestine conflict and relations between Israel and Palestine; and (b) Judaism, both broadly interpreted."

After all these years: I have no problem with this.

However, he dives straight into a I/P discussion on WP:ANI, see: Violation of NPA, POLEMIC, POVPUSH, CPUSH of by Nishidani See e.g. this. I just wondered: do you consider that a topic-ban violation, or not? Huldra (talk) 23:19, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Damn it Huldra, you beat me to it. The following was drafted by me on my phone's notepad before I noticed the above.
Kwork2 (talk · contribs) is violating his TBAN with six posts in an ANI thread about the Israel-Palestine conflict and one related post on the talk page of the SPA at the heart of the ANI thread, whose username is derived from the conflict, over a 23-hour period. Sturmgewehr88 (talk · contribs) has already warned him, but maybe coming from an Arbitrator it would carry more weight.
Hijiri 88 (やや) 05:44, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
According to my understanding there is nothing in the arbcom restrictions that prevents me from commenting on AN/I about the conditions of editing, which is what I discussed there. I think that is important, and not a violation of my agreement. Even without the restrictions, I would have had no intention of returning to edit Israel/Palestine conflict articles because I think it is a wast of my time, and additionally stands to accomplish nothing useful. I do have an interest in articles about bridging groups that bring Jews and Arabs together, such as for example Hand in Hand: Center for Jewish-Arab Education in Israel, Neve Shalom, and Arava Institute for Environmental Studies; and I hope restrictions will eventually be remove to the extent of allowing some editing in those. Kwork2 (talk) 11:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
I should add that I did not attack Nishidani on AN/I, or any place else, and in fact described him as a sincere and conscientious editor. I did say that virtually every editor much involve in the Israel/Palestine conflict articles is pushing a point of view, which is not an opinion unique to me. Indeed the polarization of editing into two conflicting camps is no secret. Kwork2 (talk) 11:59, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
I would still like to hear what LFaraone/ Ban Appeals Subcommittee thinks about the matter, Huldra (talk) 22:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Huldra, you seem to be very heavily focused on a single area of editing, and perhaps that caused you to be concerned that I might want to return to editing Israel/Palestine conflict articles, which seems very much your focus of editing. You might want to review Wikipedia:Single-purpose account, which states: Wikipedia's Arbitration Committee has determined that "single purpose accounts and editors who hold a strong personal viewpoint on a particular topic covered within Wikipedia are expected to contribute neutrally instead of following their own agenda and, in particular, should take care to avoid creating the impression that their focus on one topic is non-neutral, which could strongly suggest that their editing is not compatible with the goals of this project." There was never a time when my editing was that much focused on the I/P conflict, or any other area of editing. Some variety in your editing might make your life more enjoyable, because your present single interest is a wiki-battleground. Think about that. Kwork2 (talk) 00:52, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

@Huldra and Hijiri88:, thank you for reaching out. I've been away the past few days; for the future, violations of unblock conditions placed by BASC may be brought up at Arbitration Enforcement. In re whether this is included in the scope of the restrictions, WP:TBAN explicitly states that topic bans include the parts of other pages that are related to the topic. I've blocked Kwork2 (talk · contribs) for one week. LFaraone 03:04, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

LFaraone; thank you for your clarification; in the future I will indeed bring any new violations at Arbitration Enforcement (Though I really hope there will be none), Huldra (talk) 22:03, 22 September 2015 (UTC)