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I made a mistake above, which I have corrected: the place to ask for comments on an article is WP:Requests for feedback, not WP:Requests for comment. JohnCD (talk) 16:24, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

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Re:Thathaal

Dear Jogibaba, thank you for my message on my talk page. I feel priviledged that you have asked for my help. I have been extrememly busy in real life and have not had the opportunity to review your article in depth. When time allows, I will do so and inform you. Best of luck editing Wikipeida. With regards, Anupam^Talk 22:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Dear Jogibaba, I have read the article you requested me to on "Thathaal." I read your entry on my talk page and understand your concern. It might very well be true that some of the information in the article is erroneous since most of the information there is not referenced. You are welcome to add information to that article and it should be fine as long as the information is referenced. It would be beneficial to reference the information in a similar format as I have done here. You can probably find references for the information through Google Books, among other sources. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 20:19, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Re:Chaudhry Abdur Rehman (need help)

Dear Jogibaba please do write me on tarlai@hotmail.com I need to discuss this article as "talk" area is quite difficult to use. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarlai (talk • contribs) 00:21, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi tarlai, I am not sure how can I help you, I am also a freelancer like you, joined Wikipedia few months back. What I found wrong with you article about "Chaudhry Abdur Rehman", this does not have any reference which support the article. First two reference are dead one, one can not check what those reference are pointing to. Those other references does not say anything about Chaudhry Abdur Rehman. So if you don't have any online reference, the article is going to be deleted. Another point I noticed anout your article, the article does not appear to be written by a neutral person. This article gives the impression that you are son of Chaudhry Abdur Rehman. You wrote "prominent lawyer, an able leader and a king maker", do you have any online reference to prove that. "He laid the foundations of modern politics", do you have anything to prove this claim. "He always believed in fair politics, and crushing unfairness by force, was viciously murdered in 1987 by some local political opponents". If I try to read between the lines, Chaudhry Sajid Rehman was a leader of one group, he had no problem using force to impose his will on other, and he got killed by his rivals. I don't think wikipedia would find any notability in this case. You have only positive thing to write about Chaudhry Adbur Rehman’s family. This is not a neutral article, I don't think wikipedia would accept it. What I would suggest that you find the online references about Chaudhry Adbur Rehman and re-write the article with more neutral tone. I have written a article about Adil Khan, you can see references which are supporting everything I have written. There is only one claim which I havn't add any reference for , that is singing for Obama's sister. I have seen Adil singing this song on a Norwegian Tv, But i can't use this as a reference that I have seen him myself, I found that song here on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL2COzEL75k , but it is not allowed to use youtube references, so I am looking for references on other places to support the claim. A norwegain publisher coming with adil's biography, here is the reference to support the claim, http://www.dagbladet.no/2010/06/21/kultur/litteratur/bok/12193842/ (you can use google translater to translate if you like) but I am not going to write anything before the book is in the market. Because , for me Wikipedia is not a personal promotion site, We are writing history for the coming generations, I hope I did not disappoint you. regardsJogibaba (talk) 20:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your detailed reply Jogibaba and you do sound like a levelheaded person who talks some sense and I am in full agreement of whatever you have just mentioned above. Unfortunately I couldn’t find any online references for Chaudhry Abdur Rehman but the article is still based on reality and facts ... and YES tone doesn’t sound neutral at all, that can be fixed ... So how do I deal with such subjects where there are no online references but offline stuff can be available? I would still request to please write me on my personal email … will highly appreciate your time. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarlai (talk • contribs) 04:01, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Again, I don´t know what can i do in this situation. One thing seems certain to me that your article would be deleted. Even if everything you have written is "based on reality and facts", still this does not make Chaudhry Abdur Rehman a notable person. A person who is merely a "Chaudhry" of a small village, howcome he is a notable person to that extent that he should have an article about him in Wikipedia. I would suggest you to start editing where you find it needed. Important thing is to contribute. Contribute does not mean just to write articles of your own. One can contribute by editing also. How about take part in the discussion for Thathaal. To me, article about Thathaal is just a crap, all those stories written about Thathaal are are just bullshit. That article is just an essay and nothing to do with the fact. According to my knowledge, Thathaals are Rajput and not Jatt, moreover the right word is Thothal and not Thathaal. Thathaal has nothing to do with Karna of Mahabharata, there is no character in Mahabharata whose name is Raja karan Singh, Karna had nine sons and nobody has the name " Thathoo", All that stories about old and modern history are merely lies, do you think you can contribute there. Regard:Jogibaba (talk) 11:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

If you have offline sources for the Chaudhry Abdur Rehman article (e.g. books or newspapers), cite these by giving the title of the work, the publisher, the author, the date of publication, and page number if appropriate, so that people can look at these and decide whether the subject will get included. See WP:RS and WP:CITE for more information. Christopher Connor (talk) 16:07, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Well dear ... if this article is meant to be deleted then let it be ... but Ch Abdul Rehman remains in our regional history ... small village or big empire doesn’t really matter, what matters is your contributions towards your people and community ... and mostly or may be only Thathaals would be interested to know about their Thathaal "baradri" ... anyway about your comments on "Thathaal or Thothal" ... it does not make any difference AT ALL! ... I am a Thathaal and write it as Thathaal not Thothal because my forefathers never knew English before so such spell check is not applied on Thathaal in any case ... the way we pronounce it and write it in Potohari, Punjabi and Urdu, it exactly sounds like Thathaal and not Thothal ... and if you think that the article Thathaal sounds like an essay and is a piece of crap … then why you don’t you put some efforts and write some thing PURE and TRUE yourself ... making comments is always an easy go, isnt it? .. but I do agree on one of your points that Thathaals are Rajputs and not Jatts ... but most of Thathaals write Ch ... that reflects Jatt background ... I dont know why? thanks for your time again ... Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarlai (talk • contribs) 12:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Adil khan.jpg

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Concerning File:Kjersti Alveberg.jpg, "permission for Wikipedia to use" is not the same as public domain. Again, we would need a free release and an email confirming that release sent to the permissions address. Are you going to try and get that, or should I delete the image? J Milburn (talk) 17:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

There's no "mode" that the images are in. If they do end up deleted, they can be restored by any admin if permission for release is later received. J Milburn (talk) 17:26, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I have received permission from the photographer, so everything should be in order. The file is located at commons:File:Adil Khan.jpg, and can also be used on other language Wikipedias. Regards, decltype (talk) 17:43, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Adil Thathaal and Deepika Thathaal

Could you please advise that why these two pesrons have been deleted from the prominent Thathaals list? Adil and Deepika are real siblings and their father is a Thathaal and they always use Thathaal as their surname. So there is no point of taking them out of the list ... Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarlai (talk • contribs) 06:34, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

As I explained earlier that an English spell check is not applicable on Thathaal. Why not because our ancestors did not know English and they only pronounced it and wrote it in their local text. The way it is pronounced to date is Thathaal and not Thothal. The closest source or script of writing Thathaal is the Urdu script. And in Urdu it is written as "تھتھال - Tha Thaa'L" and not "تھوتہال - Tho Tha'L" (I am not sure if you know Urdu or not). And the point which you raised that Thothal are Rajput and Thathaal are Jatt, is illogical. Because on my birth certificate my caste is written as "تھتھال راجپوت - Thathaal Rajput" and this tradition has been carried forward from our last 15 - 20 generations as we still hold our centuries old family tree which is still up to date. My ancestors used to write their names as Rai (title) and then "Singh" (surname). And they all have been documented as Thathaal Rajputs and not as Thothal Rajputs or Thathaal Jatts. And my advise to you is not to base Thathaals linage on any incorrect assumptions or typo mistakes on some birth ceritifcates from some local union councils. You may want to conduct further reasearch rather than baselining your decisions on Adil Khan's father's birth certifcate etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarlai (talk • contribs) 05:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Reply

Hi Jogibaba.

Thanks for the message. I know nothing about that article, all I removed was vandalism/test edits. However, I encourage you to be bold and update the article by ignoring all rules. If you have any problem, feel free to ask. Tommy! [message] 20:22, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Thothal/Thathaal

Sorry I can't help, I know nothing about the subject. If you can't work things out with the other editors, then you might be able ot get some help at WP:EAR. – ukexpat (talk) 18:38, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Since you had edited the article in the early days so I thought that you have any information to share with us about the topic i mentioned. Thanks anyway.Jogibaba (talk) 20:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I can offer a comment about the title of the article. The current title does not conform to Wikipedia's naming conventions. It should be either Thothal or Thathaal with a redirect from the other name. – ukexpat (talk) 17:22, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Sabri Khan

When the issues are addressed you can remove them. These maintenance things are just describing what an article is at the moment, for the reader, they are not meant to denegrate authors and should not be perceived negatively. Best regards Hekerui (talk) 20:09, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Nordic Woman

Hi, I'm Oddbodz. Jogibaba, thanks for creating Nordic Woman!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Hi, please add more rerfrences and establish the album's notibility

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

I am not done with the page yet, going to add more references, how many would be ok, because there are too many out there. Regards--Jogibaba (talk) 22:54, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

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Please see the notability confirmation discussion at WP:VPP#Is This Notable, Oddbodz (talk) 23:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Please see my talk page. I have removed the tags for you. Oddbodz (talk) 00:23, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

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