Talk:William L. Uanna

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Contributing information to William L. Uanna

This evening I added a few images to Wikimedia. They are photographs and an FBI background investigation conducted for the Atomic Energy Commission. The FBI document verifies Uanna's service as head of investigations at First Service Command Boston and with Tenth Corps. In addition I included a picture of Uanna with the mission to Nagasaki to study bomb damage and a picture of him at a US Marine Security Guard Graduation. And there are some other pictures. I have hundreds of documents and pictures from his personal file and FOI requests. I have Uanna's Foreign Service Essay which is very informative. And employment applications that he filled out for the various jobs he held, each one giving more information on the other. Some of the people who are the recipients of the documents are David Lilienthal, Carroll Wilson, J. Edgar Hoover, Sheffield Edwards, Edward Lansdale, Mickey Ladd, V.P. Keay, Otto Otepka and others... I have over 50 newspaper clippings form his days as an athlete at Medford High School and Tufts University. And many newspaper and magazine articles about his career during the war and after. This is the first time I used Wikimedia, I did it under the name CIC777, category Bud Uanna. At this point I am unfamiliar with the process. I have a number of FBI Documents that I feel are very interesting. And the one from Ed Lansdale could have some significance. I appreciate the editing that has been done on this site and want to help clear up any questions about Uanna's bona fides. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CIC7 (talk • contribs) 02:17, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

William Uanna more information on Wikimedia Commons

I have uploaded some files and pictures to Wikimedia. I will add more soon. The Foreign Service Essay is an overview of Uanna's career. Background investigations memo's and employment applications fill in more details. The FBI files from the AEC and AFSWP 1946-1949 tell me that the FBI was on the outside looking in. Thanks for all the editing.CIC777 (talk) 20:02, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Bud Uanna on Wikimedia Commons

I have uploaded some more files and pictures today to the Commons. I am still a novice at this. I would appreciate any help. I feel that some of these pictures and documents have historical significance. I am trying to keep any bias I have out of the descriptions, but stillCIC7 (talk) 21:04, 21 December 2013 (UTC) give enough information to encourage but not lead researchers. It is a fine. Thank you for your edits.

"Bud Uanna" images being deleted from Wikimedia

Hello, earlier this morning I uploaded some more images to Wikimedia. They relate to Air Force One, John Foster Dulles, Bud Uanna's passport... images are being deleted from the Category:Bud Uanna. I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. I thought Wikimedia was the way to get images into Wikipedia. Most of the images relate to William Lewis "Bud" Uanna - now deceased. They are newspapers, photos he owned, books in which the author and date of publication is given ... I was very encouraged with the additions made to the William L. Uanna page. I am convinced it can be a page of interest to many readers. --CIC7 (talk) 15:03, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Advice - Wikimedia upload removals.

Hello, I asking for help and or advice on the trouble I am having with Wikimedia and uploads that I put on Category:Bud Uanna. It seems that certain individuals are intent on removing uploads. One that I am especially concerned with is about a book called Above Top Secret by Timothy Good. This was removed almost immediately because I did not use "Copyright" although I gave the date of publication and all other information that I felt was necessary. This upload connected the 509th Composite Group to the Roswell - UFO incident. Other things were mentioned in that upload. It does not seem fair to me that someone can just delete something that is put up. There have been quite number of removals. I would appreciate any help or advice that anyone can give. CIC7 (talk) 21:34, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Can you provide links to any relevant discussions? Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 16:11, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry I don't know exactly what you mean.CIC7 (talk) 01:41, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

What I mean is that you're saying that you've had a problem with uploads, and I don't know if you mean uploads to Wikipedia or to Commons, and where to find them. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 16:28, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Tags

I've tagged this article for COI and OR, as a person claiming to be the subject's son has been introducing original research, edit warring over it for inclusion. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 21:43, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Both tags removed, as the OR has been cured and the COI seems manageable at this time. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 16:09, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

"Murder"

The article contains the following under the subject header "film portrayals":

At the end of the movie Enola Gay, an update of the post World War II careers of the movie's main characters was shown. In a short clip showing Macht in his role as Bud Uanna it said "Stephen Macht as Major William "Bud" Uanna - Uanna became a member of the CIA and was murdered in Africa, any records of his death have subsequently disappeared."

Some movie, not a documentary but a fictionalized account, says something. So what? It is unsubstantiated and a rather wild allegation, totally at variance with the New York Times obituary which stated that he died of a heart attack. Such a serious and troubling statement, in effect indicating skullduggery of some kind as well as a cover story propagated to the public, requires multiple reliable sources if it is to be included in the article. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 14:01, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

All it is doing is reporting what the movie says, and that is not in dispute. On what basis are multiple sources required? Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:30, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

WP:FRINGE. It's a fringe theory. Being mentioned at the end of a movie of unknown reliability is insufficient for inclusion. For all we know, it could have been made up out of whole cloth. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 22:06, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

But is the mention of it WP:UNDUE? Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:50, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

We're not even at that point in the analysis because we are utilizing a fictional film as a source for an allegation about the subject's death. If it was a documentary by a credible person I would feel differently. But this is some words on the screen at the end of an obscure 1980 fiction film that mixes fact and fiction. The most we should say is that Uanna was portrayed by Macht in the film. We shouldn't use the "film portrayals" section to repeat factual claims like this, even innocent ones, much less fringe theories, in fictional works. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 02:44, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I found this film on YouTube. I won't link to it as it is a copyright violation. It was a TV movie. No, we don't care what TV movies say about real people, except in the article about the TV movie. This might he worth an article as it stars Billy Crystal. The statement about his death is UNDUE there; here, to answer your query above, yes it is UNDUE here too, for this "murder" accusation would inappropriately dominate the "film portrayals" section. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 03:12, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

• I am pleased that the article is up for GA, and there appears to be few barriers to its promotion. Uanna is an important and interesting historical figure. As long as we rely on the very good sourcing available it certainly should qualify. Ancestry, as noted below, is problematic. But otherwise it seems to be in good shape. Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 15:53, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Murdered in Africa

I would like to request that some editor put the inclusion of the statement that was make at the end of the movie ENOLA GAY that William Uanna was murdered in Africa on the Request for comment on articles page. I am his son and I have given my opinion on this a number of times. To me, my father was a part of history, although he was written out of it by some authors like Leslie Groves, Kenneth Nichols... William Uanna was portrayed in 3 movies. He was also featured in many newspaper articles and included in books. The fact that the movie ENOLA GAY said he was murdered is a fact. Was the movie up to snuff. Watch it yourself. All the way to the end where it says he was murdered. Whoever watches it can make up their own mind up. That is all I ask. Would the producers of the movie put something like that in just to spice up a movie that was already one of the most controversial subjects of the century? That's a starting question for someone who watches the movie. Food for thought and research. I wish the issue were put before some editors for comment. Then it can go to Mediation if necessary. Thank you, Steven Uanna — Preceding unsigned comment added by CIC7 (talk • contribs) 20:02, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

William Uanna is a part of history. His fame ("notability" in Wikipedia jargon) is clearly established. Nothing will diminish now. Part of the pleasure of working on the Manhattan Project articles has been ensuring that Uanna, and others like him receive due acknowledment, and will not be written out. Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:26, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

"Their seed shall remain for ever, and their glory shall not be blotted out. Their bodies are buried in peace; but their name liveth for evermore." Ecclesiasticus 44:13-15