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Requested moves

• 01 Jan 2025 – List of Bavarian monarchs (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to List of rulers of Bavaria by Srnec (t · c); see discussion
• 31 Dec 2024 – Astro (rapper) (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Stro by 2601:201:8404:6BC0:1163:99CF:58E6:D2FA (t · c); see discussion
• 31 Dec 2024 – John Neal (writer) (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to John Neal by Sahaib (t · c); see discussion
• 31 Dec 2024 – Mark Eidelstein (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Mark Eydelshteyn by Motjustescribe (t · c); see discussion
• 30 Dec 2024 – Won Gyun (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Wŏn Kyun by Motjustescribe (t · c); see discussion
• 30 Dec 2024 – Ryu Seong-ryong (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Ryu Sŏngnyong by Motjustescribe (t · c); see discussion
• 29 Dec 2024 – Arsinoe III of Egypt (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Arsinoe III by Векочел (t · c); see discussion
• 29 Dec 2024 – Berenice I of Egypt (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Berenice I by Векочел (t · c); see discussion
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• 29 Dec 2024 – Konstantin Pavlovich, Grand Duke of Russia (talk · edit · hist) is requested to be moved to Grand Duke Konstantin Pavlovich of Russia by 2601:249:9301:D570:E3:EFC9:A6E5:50C8 (t · c); see discussion

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Proposed change to death date template

A change has been suggested to handle UK/US differences. Please see discussion at Template_talk:Death_date_and_age#Proposed change to template - Aged or Age

RFC regarding manners and causes of death.

Some of you may be interested in this question about the "Deaths in 20xx" pages. Some of you may not. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:36, September 28, 2015 (UTC)

BC births and deaths categories

The categories for births and deaths in years BC were rather small, and a series of CFD decisions resulted in consensus to upmerge them to centuries/decades, and to the year categories. For example, a death in 14 BC was recategorised from Category:14 BC deaths to Category:10s BC deaths and Category:14 BC.

Towards the end of that process, it was pointed out that biographies should not go directly in year categories because of WP:COPSEP. This led to a DRV and RfC, which was recently closed as:

(option 5:) Return to earlier guideline-conforming scheme adding "rollup" categories by decade/century

The "roll-up" on decade categories, as currently seen at Category:0s deaths, is simply done using <categorytree mode=pages>0s deaths</categorytree> on that page. The parameter in the middle has to match the page name. AFAIK this "rollup" code will have to be added manually.

The old categories will have to be undeleted by admins, and either cleaned up manually or listed at WP:CFDWR so that Cydebot will remove the CFD templates from them.

I believe the member pages (biography articles) will also have to be reverted manually. The best help that I can offer as an admin is to provide links to the diffs made by Cydebot or ArmbrustBot when emptying the old categories.

Armbrust has confirmed at Wikipedia:Bot_requests#BC_births_and_deaths_categorizations that he does not mind if we use rollback or undo on his bot's edits. Some articles were edited after the bot, in which case Undo is needed from history, rather than Rollback straight from the list of contribs.

Marcocapelle (talk · contribs), as nominator, and Francis Schonken (talk · contribs), who posted the RfC, may will be willing to share in the work of reversing the upmerges. Assistance from members of this WikiProject would be greatly appreciated, and I hope it will be forthcoming as it was for BIO-related reasons that the consensus at CFD was reversed.

(Note: A short follow-up discussion took place at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Years#BC_births_and_deaths_categories, from where I have moved the list below.)

The CFDs listing the births/deaths categories to be reinstated are:

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 May 25#1st to 5th century BC births

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 May 30#1st to 6th century BC deaths

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_May_22#6th-century_BC_births and 7th (below that)

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_May_16#8th_century_BC (just the births and deaths)

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_May_15#9th_century_BC and 10th (below that)

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_May_13#11th_century_BC

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_May_8#12th_century_BC

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_April_24#13th_century_BC

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_April_23#14th_century_BC to 16th

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_April_20#17th_century_BC

– Fayenatic London 13:21, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Again, reverting the bot is best handled by a bot. Again, please discuss this on the bot request page, not here. --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:36, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I gave up on bot requests after 6 days of nil response, and had not seen your comment dated 20 Oct at that page. OK, let's hang around there until something happens... perhaps. – Fayenatic London 21:21, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I have moved my "Progress marker" section back to the bot requests page: Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Subthread 3 – repopulating BC births and deaths categories. – Fayenatic London 10:10, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Please would members of this project help to re-categorise ancient people by year of birth and death? See the discussion at the above link.

Also, an issue has just come up there about people for whom the exact year is uncertain: in such cases, is it better to categorise by an approximate year of death, or by decade of death? The latter would give a more untidy result on the decade pages because of the new "rollup" code which was wanted at Wikipedia talk:Categorization of people#RfC: BC births and deaths categorization scheme; see Category:40s BC deaths for an example in practice. Please respond at the bot request talk page (see link above). – Fayenatic London 14:26, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Infobox content

IMHO, Resting Place should be changed to Buried, per WP:EUPHEMISM. Let's not be dancing lightly around a natural situation. GoodDay (talk) 13:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

To cut and paste my previous comment on this matter, remember, this is a template we're talking about, not an article; it needs to be able to cover situations which are definitely not burial, ranging from "stuffed and put on display as a museum specimen" to "cremated and scattered on the pitch at Macclesfield Town". In that context, I think "resting place" is going to be least-worst option, unless we go with something unreasonably literal like "current whereabouts of body". I stand by that, no compromise is ever going to be perfect, but "Burial" is going to be actively misleading on multiple pages. ‑ iridescent 16:19, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Um, what infobox in particular are we talking about here? I would myself have serious reservations about using "buried" exclusively. People who are placed in a Tower of silence, or ship burials, for instance, probably can't be said to be "buried" anywhere. And I suppose there might exist a few questions about other traditions of dealing with the bodies of the dead. One that comes to mind is the old Jewish custom of second burials. ~I'm not myself sure those occurred in roughly the same place, and if they didn't we might have to list multiple locations, which might look strange to a lot of eyes. John Carter (talk)

Yes, there'd be exceptions. But, I'm considering articles like Lester B. Pearson or Chester A. Arthur, articles of those who are buried. GoodDay (talk) 17:13, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

I got that.But before anything can be done I think we would probably need to know:

1) Which particular template are you considering making the change to, or would it basically be to all the biography infoboxes. And

2) Are we talking about removing the resting place terminology altogether, or offering a number (1 or more) of specified alternative options in some form of subparameter

I think the big problem here with a lot of the biography infobox templates is that they were designed for a kind of "one size fits all" usage which doesn't really work with the divergent traditions of dealing with corpses. "Resting place," despite its euphemistic nature, is also maybe one of the few phrases which can be used in pretty much all cases. John Carter (talk) 17:27, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

There is or was a mechanism in royal consort bios infoboxes for showing reign as tenure. Perhaps, if we could set up mechanism for showing resting place as buried. GoodDay (talk) 18:17, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

"Disposition of remains" is a generic, non-euphemistic term that is used. isaacl (talk) 17:58, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

The label doesn't have to be exclusive. I can edit {{Infobox person}} to accept a parameter such as |burial= which would override |resting place= and display the label Burial, which would allow us to display the alternative label when desired. I just need to know what alternative label people want. --RexxS (talk) 18:27, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Buried or Burial place, either would suffice. GoodDay (talk) 18:54, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

I've modifed the template's sandbox Template:Infobox person/sandbox to accept a |burial= parameter that can be used instead of the default |resting place=. At present it displays the label as Burial and you can see an example at Julius Beer. It would be trivial to change the label to whatever consensus arrives at. --RexxS (talk) 22:00, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

I'll give credit of the bringing up the euphemism concern to Giano. Thanks for the fixtures, Rexxs. GoodDay (talk) 22:50, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Why not have "Buried" as a field but also an optional "Disposition" with "Disposition_name" so that people can include "Mummified and displayed - Tiananmen Square" or "Ashes scattered - Haystacks" as required? Like {{infobox school}} allows for variations on the title of headteacher. PamD 15:31, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Show Luo

Hi, I am editing the page of Show Luo. He is a famous Taiwanese singer, actor and host. I would greatly appreciated any feedback on it. Thisislily (talk) 03:18, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

I am the subject of the article and have been updating it. Please do not change it again. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:2E9C:8770:540:BAD5:5B70:E715 (talk) 07:35, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Is her mother Marsha Mason? They look very much alike... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.209.0.193 (talk) 19:01, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Someone please take a look...

...at Talk:William Sloane Coffin, Sr.. Two questions there, one biography-specific. BMK (talk) 23:21, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been featured

Hello, Please note that Marie Serneholt, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by Theo's Little Bot at 01:00, 9 November 2015 (UTC) on behalf of the TAFI team

Pedro Pascal

Hi all. I'm a student at Austin College, located in Sherman TX, and for one of my classes, we are supposed to edit a wiki page. I have chosen to edit Pedro Pascal's page, and am hoping for some feedback from seasoned wiki users on how I should go about this. There is not very much information given on Pascal's early history and personal life, plus more can be added in the career section of his wiki page. I am not trying to replace other's contributions to his page, but instead add to it in order for others to learn more about this fantastic actor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbroadway14 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Please use Talk:Pedro Pascal. --P64 (talk) 01:12, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography participants may be good administrators

Participants here often create a lot of content, have to evaluate whether or not a subject is notable, decide if content complies with BLP policy, and much more. Well, these are factors at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship.

So, please consider taking a look at and watchlisting this page:

• Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll

You could be very helpful to evaluate potential candidates, and maybe even find out if you would be a suitable RfA candidate.

Best wishes,

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:55, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Category:People associated with the Whitewater controversy

Category:People associated with the Whitewater controversy, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:15, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Easier access to biography articles via subject surname?

Members of this project might like to comment on an idea I've described at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)#Easier_access_to_biography_articles_via_subject_surname.3F. PamD 18:01, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Jarret Myer

Hello. I am posting here to see if anyone might want to review edits I'm suggesting for Jarret Myer's article. I posted a message on the Talk page last month, but have not yet had anyone weigh in about the content. My aim is just to improve accuracy, sourcing, and neutrality of the article.

I have a financial COI and prepared the edits on behalf of Myer and Uproxx, the company Myer founded, so I prefer not to make edits myself. I'm hoping someone here can review and make the changes if they seem reasonable.Thanks! Heatherer (talk) 19:26, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Capitalizing Name

I capitalized "H" in "Hyun" of Kim So-Hyun in Kim So-Hyun's article because I think it is more appropriate.

You're invited...

 Note: You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Charles Erickson#Merger proposal regarding if the issue of whether or not the two subjects involved are the same person. Thanks! 🎄 Corkythehornetfan 🎄 02:36, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Experienced Editor Help Please

I wrote this also on the Help Desk, which suggested I try find an experienced editor, so I am here!

So the following article was covered in a Deletion Review and the result was 'No consensus' and not to resubmit until the article has been improved (see Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Draft:Alex_Gilbert_.28closed.29 Here is the article Draft:Alex Gilbert. I can't submit it for review as it will just get deleted as it has before, this was before it was improved or when anyone even looked clearly at the sources. It was also reviewed in the past and was approved, moved to the main space and then deleted as it had to go through Deletion Review. The article is about NZ Adoptee Alex Gilbert, who has since established a Non-Profit Organisation 'I'm Adopted' (facebook.com/imadoptedOrg). This itself was covered in a lot of Russian Media. I have noted these references in the article and I have also described these below. I am having trouble and editors are just not clearly looking at the sources/references. People think its a Wikipedia:BLP1E, which NO the sources cover his Book and his Non-Profit Organisation. I have decided to list these in detail below. This article clearly covers basic notability. If someone can put this below into a Deletion Review or help me, I am happy to talk! I need an experienced editor to have a look at the article. Please any Russian Editors!

Long list of references

References that cover his 'I'm Adopted' Organisation [1] Анатомия дня TV Show NTV Russia Retrieved 29 October 2015. Source covers his Non-Profit Organisation 'I'm Adopted' and talks about him helping others. [2] Retrieved 22 August 2015. Whangarei boy who traced Russian roots helps fellow Kiwi adoptees find bloodlines (TVNZ) - This source also talks about 'I'm Adopted' [3] Retrieved August 7, 2015. Russian adoptee shares stories The Northern Advocate - This source is only about his 'I'm Adopted' page and mentions A former Russian adoptee raised in Whangarei is helping other adopted people share their stories. This is not a BLP1E am I correct? [4] Retrieved 4 November 2015. Adoption project enthrals Russians The Northern Advocate - This article talks about what impact his page has had with the Russian Media. I have also added these news outlet links to the article. This is due to his 'I'm Adopted' page. [5] Retrieved 29 October 2015. In social networks, a new unusual community. Children of Russia, adopted by foreigners looking for their biological parents Translated from Russian. NTV Russia - This source is from a huge Russian Media outlet about his I'm Adopted Organisation. Read the article or watch the video. Other References [6] Retrieved February 26, 2015. From Russia with love The Northern Advocate - This article is about his Book 'My Russian Side' that he published in 2014. It reads Now 22, Alex, has written a book about his journey. [7] Retrieved 23 February 2015. TVNZ - This is his actual Full Length NZ TV Documentary Story which aired in NZ and yes at the time was an issue where BLP1E was talked about in the previous deletions. New Sources have since been found and updated. ALOT MORE [8] Retrieved July 2, 2014. The New Zealand Herald - This article covers a meet up Alex Gilbert had with another New Zealander he found through his TV Documentary. [9] Retrieved 16 November 2015. Change One Life Russia - This article is an excellent interview with Alex Gilbert about his own story and journey. [10] Retrieved 5 June 2015. - TV3 NZ - This TV Show features Alex who talks to other adoptees who are going through the same journey as he went through. References in Russian Language If you can't understand them then don't comment. People have been ignoring these. These are put up as a support to the article. It shows you how much coverage it had. [11] Retrieved 21 October 2015. yarcom.ru - This article talks about his experience and journey. [12] Retrieved 21 October 2015 New Zealander Alex Gilbert found his mother in the Rybinsk, threw him in the hospital . echo76 - New Russian article talking also about his life and journey to Russia. [13] Retrieved 21 October 2015. New Zealander found in Rybinsk own mother - 76.ru - This article notes if translated Now the young man helps the other people who find themselves in a similar situation, to find their loved ones. [14] Retrieved 21 October 2015. progorod76.ru- The guy from New Zealand found in the Yaroslavl region his own mother [15] Retrieved 21 October 2015. http://rweek.ru/ - This article talks about his journey and experience also [16] Retrieved 21 October 2015. yarnews.net - New Zealander Alex Gilbert found his mother in the Rybinsk [17] Retrieved 21 October 2015. vesti.ru - This source is from Vesti News. One of the largest TV News outlets in Russia - Russia-24 [18] Retrieved 22 October 2015. http://bsvesti.ru/ - This is another alternative news source [19] Retrieved 1 November 2015 yar.kp.ru - Another news source in Russia [20] Retrieved 22 October 2015. http://rybinskcity.ru/ - A news source from Rybinsk City, Russia [21] Retrieved 16 November 2015. - sguschenka.com - A reliable source talking to Alex directly about his experience and journey. [22] Retrieved 21 October 2015. http://1news.uz/ - Another Russian News Source

Thank You for your time- Dmitry --DmitryPopovRU (talk) 04:50, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Seeking input about the inclusion of a high school in a BLP article

An editor and I are having a disagreement on the article Ted Deutch about whether the article subject's high school should be included. I've added a half-sentence reference to the "Early life and education" section, as well as a category identifying him as Liberty High School alumni, but the editor has repeatedly reverted it ([23] [24] [25] [26]). In the talk page, he says that it's "silly trivia of no importance" and "not important enough to include in his article", with which I obviously disagree. I'd like to gather more input to determine a WP:CONSENSUS as to whether this information should be included, so any feedback at Talk:Ted Deutch#Inclusion of high school would be appreciated. Please keep the conversation there, not here on this talk page, so it's all in one place. Thanks! — Hunter Kahn 15:34, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Albert Folch Folch

I'm looking for feedback on Albert Folch Folch. I've been trying to clean up it up a bit, but I've sort of hit the wall. I have some concerns about whether the subject is even notable enough for a stand-alone article per WP:ACADEMIC or WP:ARTIST and much of the sourcing seems to be WP:BLPSELFPUB stuff. Lots of what is in the article seems fairly promotional in nature as well. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:26, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

RfC about the Duke of Windsor (Edward VIII) article

There arose a dispute about the proper extent of the Duke of Windsor's wartime activities in regards the German Nazi regime. An editor feels that the pro-Nazi sympathies and activities, including one act of treason, is not reflected with the appropriate due weight in the article, and believes that the insertion of an extract of a German embassy cable should be added, as a footnote. Another editor feels that quoting the entire text of the cable is overkill, and that overall the article is consistent with the views that are presented in scholarly discourse and presents them with due weight and cites them to reliable sources. The question is now being put forth to Wikipedia editors whether to Support the addition of the contested material in a footnote or Oppose it. Anyone interested to participate in the relevant RfC is welcome. -The Gnome (talk) 14:07, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Bio articles Requested moves

• Talk:Marin Čilić → Marin Cilic
• Talk:Agnieszka Radwańska → Agnieszka Radwanska
• Talk:Ana Ivanovic → Ana Ivanović

:in case alerts haven't picked them up. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:01, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

• Note - an editor requested that all of these three been considered together and closed together, a further issue of of MOS:IDENTITY has been raised about one of the RMs. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:32, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Dis Abled

I've been in an ongoing dispute over Rudolph Abel. Some editors insist codenames of Abel's co-conspirators & other tangential information are somehow essential. I suggest they're not, per this edit. Opinions are invited. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 05:50, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

No alerts fpr this wiki-project?

Just wondering why this project does not subscibe to WP:Article alerts? Ottawahitech (talk) 00:15, 28 November 2015 (UTC)please ping me

User, Jack DeMattos removal of photos uploaded by OSMOND PHILLIPS and calling them bogus.

 You are a published writer, but that obviously does not make you a knowledgeable on identifying photos of the people you write about. Especially since there are not many photos available to compare to. It does take some experience to properly identify these people. It cannot be done with just a quick glance and judgement as you have done. You are not known as having any experience in identifying photographs. This collection is getting known as credible and submitting credible photographs of our old west lawmen and outlaws. I may not be able to write well or impress anyone with my words, but these photos I know. The collection that these photographs come from was put together before you were born, received from family and friends of the deceased people back when there were very little photos to use for comparison. Collectors, typically with money, could afford to buy their hearts desire. Museums have great artifacts, R.G McCubbin has a fantastic collection of old west photographs. Isn't it possible that someone else could of also amassed such a collection? This collection is backed by some influential people and is growing in credibility and popularity everyday. Photos from this collection have been requested by prominent film producers for use with their further investigation to be certain it is of the person claimed. You will soon see some of the photos you dispute on Discovery and National Geographic. You add to our history. Do not block others who may also know their business and contribute to history in their own way. I have attached below the photo with comparisons you dispute to help you identify the people you write about. You can click on the photo to enlarge it for analysis. OSMOND PHILLIPS (talk) 21:07, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

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  Luke Short comparisons