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*'''Keep''' - the existence of the eight references at some point suggests notability. Here is [https://web.archive.org/web/20120204083512/http://www.evenimentul.ro/articol/cel-mai-mare-judecator.html the first one] from the Wayback Machine. I don't read the language but it seems to be fairly in-depth. This article does need to be cleaned up, but that is not cause for deletion. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 21:36, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - the existence of the eight references at some point suggests notability. Here is [https://web.archive.org/web/20120204083512/http://www.evenimentul.ro/articol/cel-mai-mare-judecator.html the first one] from the Wayback Machine. I don't read the language but it seems to be fairly in-depth. This article does need to be cleaned up, but that is not cause for deletion. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] ([[User talk:Ivanvector|talk]]) 21:36, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
::It's just a brief interview he once gave to a local news reporter, not something you would normally use as a reliable source to establish notability. In the intro, the interviewer states that Hutopilă is ''not a wonderful talent... [nor] a celebrity that makes a fortune from art,... [or someone who] transforms art into something never tried before; [he is] just a man who dreams of a beautiful world and paints.'' So even if we would use it to establish notability, the comment itself is a bit discouraging.--[[User:Andrei Stroe|- Andrei]] ([[User talk:Andrei Stroe|talk]]) 13:26, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
::It's just a brief interview he once gave to a local news reporter, not something you would normally use as a reliable source to establish notability. In the intro, the interviewer states that Hutopilă is ''not a wonderful talent... [nor] a celebrity that makes a fortune from art,... [or someone who] transforms art into something never tried before; [he is] just a man who dreams of a beautiful world and paints.'' So even if we would use it to establish notability, the comment itself is a bit discouraging.--[[User:Andrei Stroe|- Andrei]] ([[User talk:Andrei Stroe|talk]]) 13:26, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - what coverage there is is highly local and transitory in nature. There simply is no convincing indication that the subject passes any of the [[WP:ARTIST]] criteria. - [[User:Biruitorul|Biruitorul]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Biruitorul|Talk]]</sup></small> 03:59, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - what coverage there is is highly local and transitory in nature. There simply is no convincing indication that the subject passes any of the [[WP:ARTIST]] criteria. - [[User:Biruitorul|Biruitorul]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Biruitorul|Talk]]</sup></small> 03:59, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Keep:''' Errr ... what the hell? A lot of articles written about him in local papers, some of which Google Translate plainly turns out to be substantive articles? And what the hell twice -- these aren't weekly supermarket freebies. [[Evenimentul Zilei]] has an English Wikipedia article and is a nationally-circulating daily with a hundred thousand subscribers. Crai Nou's a Bukovina daily. Who cares whether he meets the ''subordinate'' notability criteria of WP:ARTIST, he meets the GNG. Period. '''<span style="background:#FFFF00;color:#6B8E23"> ''Nha Trang'' </span>''' <sup>[[User talk:NukeThePukes|Allons!]]</sup> 18:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
*'''Keep:''' Errr ... what the hell? A lot of articles written about him in local papers, some of which Google Translate plainly turns out to be substantive articles? And what the hell twice -- these aren't weekly supermarket freebies. [[Evenimentul Zilei]] has an English Wikipedia article and is a nationally-circulating daily with a hundred thousand subscribers. Crai Nou's a Bukovina daily. Who cares whether he meets the ''subordinate'' notability criteria of WP:ARTIST, he meets the GNG. Period. '''<span style="background:#FFFF00;color:#6B8E23"> ''Nha Trang'' </span>''' <sup>[[User talk:NukeThePukes|Allons!]]</sup> 18:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
:To your "what the hell?" question: you are mistaking ''[http://evz.ro Evenimentul Zilei]'', the national daily, with [http://www.ziarulevenimentul.ro/ ''Evenimentul''], a local paper. I don't know how Google Translate translated those articles you read, but the best mention is the one analyzed in my above comment. This is really far from meeting [[WP:GNG]].[[User:Andrei Stroe|- Andrei]] ([[User talk:Andrei Stroe|talk]]) 10:49, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
:To your "what the hell?" question: you are mistaking ''[http://evz.ro Evenimentul Zilei]'', the national daily, with [http://www.ziarulevenimentul.ro/ ''Evenimentul''], a local paper. I don't know how Google Translate translated those articles you read, but the best mention is the one analyzed in my above comment. This is really far from meeting [[WP:GNG]].[[User:Andrei Stroe|- Andrei]] ([[User talk:Andrei Stroe|talk]]) 10:49, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
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*'''strong Keep''' - we have profiles [https://www.monitorulsv.ro/Cultural-local/2012-01-05/Duhul-locului-in-pictura-lui-Vasile-Hutopila here] and [http://www.crainou.ro/2011/10/05/vasile-hutopila-coborind-pe-moldova-urcind-pe-tibru/ here] and a shorter article [http://www.crainou.ro/2012/04/24/la-obarsii/ here also]. [[User:Elgatodegato|Elgatodegato]] ([[User talk:Elgatodegato|talk]]) 01:30, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
*'''strong Keep''' - we have profiles [https://www.monitorulsv.ro/Cultural-local/2012-01-05/Duhul-locului-in-pictura-lui-Vasile-Hutopila here] and [http://www.crainou.ro/2011/10/05/vasile-hutopila-coborind-pe-moldova-urcind-pe-tibru/ here] and a shorter article [http://www.crainou.ro/2012/04/24/la-obarsii/ here also]. [[User:Elgatodegato|Elgatodegato]] ([[User talk:Elgatodegato|talk]]) 01:30, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus, local coverage exists, no consensus at this point whether this coverage is sufficient to keep the article.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:49, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Unreferenced WP:BLP from long ago. No references at all, and literally all of the eight external links are now dead with little chance of being found. All of them seem to point to local media outlets from his area. - Andrei (talk) 06:50, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - the existence of the eight references at some point suggests notability. Here is the first one from the Wayback Machine. I don't read the language but it seems to be fairly in-depth. This article does need to be cleaned up, but that is not cause for deletion. Ivanvector (talk) 21:36, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's just a brief interview he once gave to a local news reporter, not something you would normally use as a reliable source to establish notability. In the intro, the interviewer states that Hutopilă is not a wonderful talent... [nor] a celebrity that makes a fortune from art,... [or someone who] transforms art into something never tried before; [he is] just a man who dreams of a beautiful world and paints. So even if we would use it to establish notability, the comment itself is a bit discouraging.--- Andrei (talk) 13:26, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein  20:19, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Errr ... what the hell? A lot of articles written about him in local papers, some of which Google Translate plainly turns out to be substantive articles? And what the hell twice -- these aren't weekly supermarket freebies. Evenimentul Zilei has an English Wikipedia article and is a nationally-circulating daily with a hundred thousand subscribers. Crai Nou's a Bukovina daily. Who cares whether he meets the subordinate notability criteria of WP:ARTIST, he meets the GNG. Period. Nha Trang Allons! 18:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
To your "what the hell?" question: you are mistaking Evenimentul Zilei, the national daily, with Evenimentul, a local paper. I don't know how Google Translate translated those articles you read, but the best mention is the one analyzed in my above comment. This is really far from meeting WP:GNG.- Andrei (talk) 10:49, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 22:32, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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