Talk:Chekavar

Administration please don't Mix thiyyas and ezhavars....they are two separate castes. Pls read North Africa to north Malabar by Dr.Shyamalan for DNA proofs also visit thiyyamahasabha official website

Be careful against "VANDALISM"

Dear Vijay,we want to be careful against "Vandalism" from other castes. Before... it was from that "Namboothiri123456789". But now a days it is from some other castes( especially from...in which cast..women feel shame to tell that "the father of her son is a man from their own caste, and which cast woman trying to find out any "English man" or any "Namboothiri" or "Any Other Rich People" to tell that he is the father of her son ). I think.. you can understand what I am telling. And now a days I got a complaint that ,...the "Suresh Varma" delibrately trying his level best to stop others from editing this page. He is a too Jealous Person. And one more complaint I got that, in the "Ehava" page these cast lobby stopped even "Ezhavar-cast-people " from editing the article about their own cast and also from providing & uploading more informations. I have forwarded this complaints to wikipwdia and asked to find out the identity of the administrator. Because, they trying to stop editing in "Ehava" and "Chekavar" articles only. They never taking any step to stop editing in the page of their caste even though they tell always the Vandals attacking them always. You just see their deliberate contradictory habit. "Otherwise, some other ways are also there ,we can find out easily the administrator. I think he also should be "a Jealous"-from the above told cast. Let's Check... Arjun Chekavar (Ezhavar) (talk) 21:13, 2 July 2010 (UTC)Arjun Chekavar (Ezhavar)Arjun Chekavar (Ezhavar) (talk)

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I removed this sentence from the last paragraph because I could not make heads or tails of it and it didn't seem vital: "Their forefathers like Kittan Ittirah Chekavar was a legend who has martial moorings which has been descended down to their offsprings." DoorsAjar 00:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

"It is said that the last of the great Chera kings, the Cheraman Perumal himself, was a from this caste. When the king left for a western kingdom, some say for Mecca, he gave his sword to the Chekavas and exhorted them to rule by killing and by death. " I removed teh above sentence because of its historical absurdity and no refrence sited .

Chekavar

In chekavar page under heading LEGENDS people are engaging in self glorification (eg; there are families such as xxxxxxxx whose roots are closely associated with these clans) Let them first understand the meaning of legend first

Another thing there is difference between some one who have just chekavar in name and some one who have blood of chekavan. Chekavars were respected warriors dont try to degrade with irrelevant and degrading writings. Iam deleting irrelevent informations —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.172.13.230 (talk) 11:02, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Yep ur right this people dont know the meaning of chekavan and legend they r just trying to glorify their family names like(xxxxxxxxfamily roots) and chekavers r not people who faught against caste opperission.Go through northern ballads and u will find these people were respected warriers. come to Malabar and these people might able to see some chekavar famaly and aristrocratic thiyya families and their traditions —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.172.119.228 (talk) 07:19, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

There are lot of factual errors in this 'chekavar' page. Firstly, Mamankam was not practised everywhere in Kerala. It was only in Thirunavayi. It was between valluva konathiri and Zamorin and no chekavar families were part of it. The chaver families who participated in Mamankam were all Nairs. The chekavars are not just Ezhavas as mentioned here. They included mappilas, nairs and other caste also. Chekavar means a martial expert who would fight till death, for kings, lords etc for settling the disputes between them. They are not glorified warriors as depicted in some third rated malayalam movies. They were infact like scape goats who used to kill/get killed for the sake of some nobilitie's disputes and this included some Thiyya families also. Even nairs like thacholi othenan were chekavars. The only difference being the Nairs fought for glory and pride while

the Thiyyas did this for money. However, the 'chekavarship' provided social elevation to certain thiyya families and some of them became very rich due to this.There is no historical evidence or descendants for characters like Aromal chekavar etc who are all some fictitious characters tailor made for movies. The 'chekavar' system was confined to Malabar and there are no 'chakavar' in s.kerala per se though there were martial ezhava families also in s.kerala. Ezhavas were part of the army of small feudal kingdoms everywhere. During Shakthan Tampuran's reign, he recruited many ezhavas into his army due to his rivalry with the Nair feudals (almost similar lines with the induction of Marava army by Marthanda varma due to his rivalry with the ettuveettil pillamar). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.15.16.20 ([[User talk:196.15.16.20|talk]]) 09:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Chegos

We use some sources that refer to Chegos rather than Chekavar. How do we know that they're referring to the same community? - Sitush (talk) 07:07, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

There are many Sources clearly refer the relation of chekavars, chegos, selgos etcDaya Anjali (talk / contribs) 03:18, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Chekavar image

There is an image which provides meaning to the word chekavar. Well, is this worth to be part of the article?

Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 00:30, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

No. - Sitush (talk) 00:58, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Please explain the reason

Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 01:01, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Sorry, I should not have been so blunt. This is English Wikipedia and long lengths of non-English content, seemingly translated by no-one in particular, are not appropriate. There has in fact been a recent RfC regarding the use of Indic scripts in articles and the outcome of that was that they should not be used. OK, that RfC was not specifically with regard to images but, honestly, what do you really think this image adds to the article? - Sitush (talk) 01:02, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

My Points are 1) The image convey more information than in the article 2) It explains word meaning in english which in think suitable for english wikipedia 3) Added by user who has excellent track record of of providing valid information to wiki.4) Sourced from authentic reference. And i hope the image remains in article since it has been removed witout a valid reasonDaya Anjali (talk / contribs) 01:08, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I also hope as user of Wiki, your objective is not to destroy some valubale information in the iarticle, which i have seen in many your edits. If there is no valid references its fine to get removed.

Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 01:12, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

What does the image add that cannot be said in text, especially bearing in mind that this is English WP? The guidelines for translation etc do permit user translation but only as a last resort, and in this case I really cannot see any need for it. The etymology etc is already described. I do not question the good faith of the person who constructed the image, merely the necessity of it. - Sitush (talk) 01:44, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

It can be added to text but how do add reference to it? Also the image does not require a translation as itself provide it. Hope all users objective to make wp a lib of authentic information. Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 03:15, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

We probably should not add a reference to it because it is a primary source. - Sitush (talk) 09:59, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Thiyyar

The community chekavar shares the same place as Thiyyar as far as its relation with Ezhava is concerned and hence the page must be removed since its creating unnecessary confusion and hence must be deleted or redirected for violating wiki rules and redirected to Ezhava as done by Thiyya page or the moderators must allow separate page for thiyya--Rahulkris999 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:18, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources for your claim. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:21, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Thiyya / Chekavar

Chekavar is a subcaste of Thiyya from North Malabar, nothing to do with Ezhava, Please either remove this page or kindly correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irajeevwiki (talk • contribs) 03:57, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources for your claim. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)