Talk:Sailfish OS

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Semi-protection: People are going to flame it for being too much like Android and WP. 3|9|3|0|K (talk) 20:49, 3 December 2012 (UTC) Goddamn it I can't get it right. 3|9|3|0|K (talk)

Source for package system

Hi, do you have any source/proof that rpm is indeed the package manager on jolla, afaik though meego used rpm meego/harmattan (nokia n9) continued using deb/apt as package manager and jolla seems to be the continuation of meego/harmattan... (I admit it could just be wishful thinking on my part but so far I haven't seen anything pointing one way or the other) --Keeper of the Keys (talk) 18:51, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Before asking such questions, read the article! It clearly states that Sailfish is built on Mer whose website you can check yourself for the used package format. --KAMiKAZOW (talk) 03:14, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it being based on Mer is a proof, as I say above Meego/harmatten coninued to be debian based, the reason I don't know, but jolla is the same group of developers so they can base on Mer/Meego and still be debian based if they like that better. That is why I ask if there is a source from jolla saying what package manager is being used, otherwise no statement can be made on the subject until someone actually uses a device and sees what package maneger is being used. --Keeper of the Keys (talk) 09:31, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Ask them yourself on Twitter if obvious proof is not enough for you. --KAMiKAZOW (talk) 14:11, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I support KAMiKAZOW, rpm packages are well known fact and proved in sources. Unless dear Keeper of the Keys you will have verifiable sources saying anything else don't waste time of others with unproven speculations or suppositions. But you will not have, as facts are as they are. For me this subject of discussion is no important as a speculation, for me: EOT. Ocexyz (talk) 10:25, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Remove or rewrite the "PRISM" section …

… because it is unnecessary and likely biased. FDMS4 (talk) 22:23, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

I think it is relevant and should stay. I personally like to know on what OS or machine I have a small or big chance of being eavesdropped by what secret service or by whom. Andries (talk) 07:25, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Rewrite the "Android Compatibility" section

.. because it reads like a fanboy collection of wishes rather than a serious, or even a feasible feature. Jolla can claim with enthusiasm in their magazine adverts that all android apps will run, but in Wikipedia things have to be slightly more strict, let alone when some claims are based in a third party virtual machine not supported by Google. Besides, recent changes in Android platform will also make these claims difficult to fulfill, for example Android is also moving to another radically different VM architecture ("ART") that has been just made available on Android 4.4 kitkat, obsoleting dalvik. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.152.4.241 (talk) 12:07, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

.. Also, even if they include a Dalvik VM, this is the smallest of the problems. They will have to port thousands of libraries (the ever-expanding Android API), that interface native google processes and libraries (for example Skia & SurfaceFlinger). This is a really delicate process, and bigger in size than the whole Jolla OS itself. And is a work that will never end, because Android API is constantly expanded by google in every version.

.. There are a lot of other issues, like code-sharing (that will need to port the Zygote subsystem, or else the memory will be bloated with just an application), privacy (all android applications are sandboxed), etc...

.. So the only feasible way for a system to have "android compatibility" is .. to include the full Android, and just develop a UI-layer. Any other approach is, at the very least, not realistic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.152.4.241 (talk) 18:30, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

As Android compatibility is proven fact the section has been rewriten a bit. Indeed there were speculations and unsourced ones - I have removed them. Jolla just did it, and it works as expected, but with Alien Dalvik. So there is additional software for this purpose. So far Android applications can be used on Jolla and there are Android applications in Jolla store even. Eventual problems can appear if software UI would not follow Android standard and only this could be a problem. So far no such case has been noticed. This has created interesting situation where Jolla has better OS and still all preferred apps from previous Android device can be used. Ocexyz (talk) 19:33, 16 November 2013 (UTC) edited Ocexyz (talk) 20:54, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Sailfish is open source model with third party components of other licences which can be ANY source model established by a third party.

There are 2 sources from which implies this is open source model. I quote parts of them below. If there are any sources verifiable which says that below sources are not valid or are overhelming the sources below please link them and disquss here. Otherwise please stop vandalising the Sailfish article with false information that it is closed source model while it is open source with use of other licences components, and those other licences can be as well from free software to closed source, or anything else or beetwen. Vandalising actions and publishing false in article is against Wikipedia policy and fundamental aim, please be informed. And read sources with understanding, please. And EULA is End User License Agreement = it can be about ANY source model, AS SUCH IT DOES NOT INDICATE WHICH ONE, only EULA content says which one, so use of EULA is not any argument this is not open source. Phrase "non free EULA" is dramatic unawareness of what an agreement means. The agreement defines how to obtain a participation or contribution or source code what is open source AND it have to protect intelectual property and other licences of third party components used and included but which are not open source - but it does not change basic open source model. Managing and building order how, through which different projects mentioned explicite in EULA, how to obtain benefits and possibilities of open source - is confirmation of used open source model, but not a confirmation of proprietary model. And such over-interpretation is against EULA and licensing contents, sources with links below. Quoted content clearly says that due to use 3rd party components in the integration version obtained with a product the other licences and 3rd parties rights must be respected what does not cancel open source - don't mistake open source model with protecting 3rd parties rights what is every law order obligation, and Jolla runs internationally so is obligated to do this. I hope this is enough to explain clearly IMHO. Hence I revert false in the article to true open source with components of other licences.

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20150101044101/https://sailfishos.org/about-license.html

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https://jolla.com/sailfish-eula/

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Ocexyz (talk) 06:17, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

@Ocexyz:I have removed the large quotations above, though I've left the links. The fair use exception to copyright cannot sustain your copying and pasting large portions of text. If you want to use small portions – some targeted text in quotation marks – to make your point here that would be okay but this was not.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:42, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Maadajävri lake name

The lake name should not be changed, because it's an actual name.

Although most Finnish lakes end with -järvi, then Maadajävri is the lake's name in Skolt Sami language; the lake is near Inari, Finland. The Finnish-language name of the lake is Tyvijärvi, but it's got a namesake near Pori. -Mardus (talk) 12:55, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

What's the point of it?

Could someone explain why this operating system exists and what its benefits are? The article says it runs "most" Android apps. So is it any different or better than Android from the point of view of the user?