Noticed a potential issue with [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Prothallium&diff=685326508&oldid=685054963 BG19bot's 12OCT2015 edit] to [[prothallium]]: a stray "Secondly," para got added in the process, possibly as part of adding the reflist. I didn't see any #03 fixes in the first page of the bot's contributions, but of course bots work fast. I fixed that instance, but it may be a bug affecting other pages. — [[User:Darekun|Darekun]] ([[User talk:Darekun|talk]]) 16:51, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Noticed a potential issue with [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Prothallium&diff=685326508&oldid=685054963 BG19bot's 12OCT2015 edit] to [[prothallium]]: a stray "Secondly," para got added in the process, possibly as part of adding the reflist. I didn't see any #03 fixes in the first page of the bot's contributions, but of course bots work fast. I fixed that instance, but it may be a bug affecting other pages. — [[User:Darekun|Darekun]] ([[User talk:Darekun|talk]]) 16:51, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
:{{U|Darekun}} "Secondly," was in the article before the bot arrived. Bot left it in the same spot. Bot did add the reference section header along with {{tl|reflist}}. I don't see where the bot went wrong. [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite#top|talk]]) 21:23, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
:{{U|Darekun}} "Secondly," was in the article before the bot arrived. Bot left it in the same spot. Bot did add the reference section header along with {{tl|reflist}}. I don't see where the bot went wrong. [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite#top|talk]]) 21:23, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
::Wow, I'm sorry, apparently I misread the diffs over and over and over >_< False alarm, please disregard, my bad. — [[User:Darekun|Darekun]] ([[User talk:Darekun|talk]]) 16:57, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
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Alexutz924 It appears as most sources list the club's name as ACS UTA Bătrâna Doamnă, with it shortened to UTA Arad. I also See it as FC UTA Arad and UTA Bătrâna Doamnă. What is the full name of the club? Bgwhite (talk) 19:41, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We (all supporters) prefer the name UTA Arad this is the original name off the club.Bătrâna Doamnă is a nickname added but all the fans call the team simple UTA Arad. If you can change the name we would be gratefull. I wounder if you could help me with other things on the page?I`m just asking. ( here ar the offical site and facebook page where you see the name is just UTA Arad https://www.facebook.com/uta1945arad/ , http://www.uta-arad.ro/ )small>— Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexutz924 (talk • contribs) 10:36, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Alexutz924 Two people, who are more knowledgeable in football matters, say to keep the name. I'm inclined with that as that is the club's full name. As long as the shorter name is mentioned in the first paragraph and there is a redirect for it, keeping the longer name shouldn't matter. Bgwhite (talk) 21:57, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It matters for us the fans , we don`t like the hole name... in the summer the name will be changed back to UTA Arad without "Bătrâna Doamnă"( means old lady and it sounds very strange that is why we don`t like the hole name)Alexutz924 (talk) 22:10, 3 December 2015 (UTC).[reply]
Hello, I wrote the German article about NA and I am not able to verify the personal dates. Could you please tell me where from you got them? Thank you, --Nicola (talk) 16:06, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've temporarily reverted back to a neutral third version + only minor edits (adding wiki-links, subtitles, and a table). BalCoder is still reverting back to his/her version where a massive section of extremely well sourced text "PR systems in the broader family of voting systems" (not created by me) was maliciously deleted. This section of the article was deleted without consensus being reached. BalCoder is reverting all of my minor edits, while making massive politically motivated edits of his/her own. Please ask this user to stop with the massive edits (in particular the aforementioned section he/she is trying to delete which was not created by me) until consensus is reached.Ontario Teacher BFA BEd (talk) 18:50, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello. Do you think FrontPage Magazine articles might be (semi) reliable sources? I removed them from Swain's article, because I was hoping to find other, more reliable sources about the counter/pro-Swain petition, but I can't find any. But in the interest of fairness, I feel like we should add that there is a counter petition...Zigzig20s (talk) 04:33, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Zigzig20s I would say no. Sites that are far-right or far-left are biased. They can be used to show contrast... sort of like a movie review. FrontPage says this, but Mother Jones says that. Is this related to removing, "Articles also have been published lambasting these students for their attacks on her."? There wasn't any refs that say people supported the students, so why have refs that say people supported Swain? All that currently is in there is reporting the facts of a petition against and petition for Swain. You made a good call to remove the material. Bgwhite (talk) 05:19, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, there's no mention of the pro-Swain petition at the moment, that's the problem. But I can't find a reliable source about it. I agree with you that FrontPage is not a reliable source...perhaps there will be reliable sources in the next few days/weeks...Zigzig20s (talk) 05:39, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Zigzig20s Currently there are no pro-Swain or pro-student refs. Better yet, are there any more neutral refs that explain the entire mess. Adding those in would be best in the long run. Bgwhite (talk) 05:43, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
See the first paragraph of the "Academic career" section: " In November 2015, Vanderbilt University students started a petition on Change.org, asking administrators to suspend her from teaching and enable her to attend diversity training sessions.[8][9] The petition garnered over 1,000 signatures within days.[8] She responded by calling those students, "sad and pathetic."[8][9]" The WKRN-TV seems neutral, even though it is a local media. I think it would sound more balanced if we added referenced info about the pro-Swain petition, since there is mention of the anti-Swain petition. But I can't find a reliable reference about it.Zigzig20s (talk) 05:52, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
OK, they added the self-promoting info again, removed referenced info, added unreferenced info, etc. Can you please fix this? I feel like those edits need to be reverted and they need to understand how Wikipedia works. If they are able to provide third party references, they can add such info, but right now I feel like they are trying to make Wikipedia look bad by messing up the article. They don't even seem to understand what the lead is for...Zigzig20s (talk) 23:21, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Zigzig20s I'll deal with. I was reading the article earlier today. The controversy in the academic section should be moved down to the bigger controversy section. I was also reading for some refs, The Atlantic and Washington Post had some good ones. They didn't mention a counter-poll, but do mention academic freedom and the University Presidident's response. Bgwhite (talk) 00:12, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
User:Materialscientist did a bold edit, which was necessary. Honestly I think the article is fine as it is, thanks to User:Materialscientist. But perhaps you could add the chancellor's response. He has a (fairly short) Wikipedia article too, so you could add his response to his article as well. Good job if you managed to find references about this in The Washington Post and The Atlantic. Btw, the newspaper articles I've read suggest the petition is not just about her allegedly islamophobic views, but also about her alleged unprofessionalism (retaliating against students) and her social conservatism/fundamentalism. So I don't think it should be moved to the "Islam" section, as that would seem too limiting. Also, if the POV-loving editor wants to add referenced info about her supposed upbringing in the African Methodist Episcopal Church, that could be good--but we really need to find a third party reference for this.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:26, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Zigzig20s Ok, I'm done. I kept it in the same section as you suggested. I added the reasons why the students did the petition, helps readers (aka me) to understand it was many things. The wording could be changed. I read different things on what the petition actually wanted. I found a ref to the school paper that said the petition changed over time. I added to the "sad and pathetic" quote. To me, it had different meanings. Before it sounded like the students were sad and pathetic. After it sounds like their views. I removed the "pro" petition. Still a bad ref. Bgwhite (talk) 00:21, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I wikilinked to Nicholas S. Zeppos. I also restored the info about the pro-Swain petition to make the article unbiased, which is very important for a living person. Besides, Patheos has a Wikipedia page. But I agree with you that we should try to find a better reference. In the meantime, frankly I think we should keep it.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Zigzig20s Well, the KKK has a wiki page. I still don't think it is needs to be there to be unbiased. It could be argued that by adding a "small" petition that wasn't covered by the mainstream media, we are being biased for Swain. No reliable source vs unreliable source... winner goes to no reliable source. In the end, I'll let you make the call. Bgwhite (talk) 00:54, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is the pro-Swain petition has far more signatures. The Wikipedia page for Patheos says it is "non-patisan"; I think it's fine for now. Btw, there is more about the Dean of Students, who seems to have played a critical role (possibly to get promoted if she gets fired) but again it is hard to find good reliable journalism about this (mostly just conservative media sources). Unless you think we could use this? She mentioned him in a CNN interview, but I don't think they have published a transcript (and that wouldn't be third party anyway).Zigzig20s (talk) 01:07, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Birgit Cold
Dear Bgwhite,
This is Inés Novella. I am writing you to explain the reason why InesMoisset is trying to introduce my name in the references whithin the Wikepedia article about Birgit Cold.
We are a group of architects from different Spanish-speaking countries who are doing a huge effort in recovering the work and life of female architects who have been (or are) forgotten
by history. Our work (a non-profit one) can be seen at our blog un día| una arquitecta.
One of the reasons why these (an many other) women are not famous or their work is recognized by the main public is because they never signed their work, and encyclopedies never incorporated their contributions.
This is why we are very careful an respectful with authorships and credits, we do not want to make the same mistake.
I was the author of the entry of Birgit Cold in our blog. Thus, when I saw that the Wikipedia article did no mention my name in the space for reference I was especially sad. The reference links to our blog, but not to my entry and my name does not appear anywhere. I think if we are fighting against the inequality of treatment for women, we need to become an example. This is why I wrote to Inés Moisset and asked her how this could be changed.
I do not know who wrote this article, but if this is in your hands, I would be very grateful if you could reintroduce my name and my authorship and contribute to a more fair and gender equality Wikipedia.
Thanks a lot for your understanding. I am sure you are joining us in this commitment.
Inesnovella The problem is not what you are adding, it is how you are adding it. You are inserting a partial reference inside another reference. You can add you name to the ref, just don't destroy it in the process. Bgwhite (talk) 20:35, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Can you explain/justify your Nov 25 change to Pidgin Hawaiian? It seems as if you
removed a useful reference. If I don't hear from you in a few days I will revert
your change.
Wikipedia was not used as a reference. In the self-contained reference to "Da Jesus Book", I chose to include a hyperlink to the associated Wikipedia article, but nothing about that article was a necessary part of the reference. I'm going to revert your change. If you still think there's a problem, please let me know (e.g, if you point me to a Wikipedia standards article that states that informative hyperlinks cannot be included in self-contained references, I will certainly follow the guidelines). You can remove the hyperlink markers if you insist.
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Hi, I see you G5'd several wrestling articles yesterday, but didn't mention the sock by name. A new account is steaming through a lot of new, detailed wrestling articles, including a pile of previously AFD'd articles with slight name changes, e.g. El Hijo del Pantera at El Hijo del Pantera (wrestler). He also left a cryptic note on my talk page about previous deletions and personal attacks, for which there's no trace on his talk page. Finally, most of the recreated articles link to the same few other wrestling enthusiast editors' pages. You might have a better idea of what's going on here. Thanks, Norvoid (talk) 19:54, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Norvoid I try to take weekends off to keep sane, so sorry for not responding earlier. The sock discussion is found at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Martimc123. Looks like there are a ton of socks. Escola123 was the one that created the articles you saw. Liz is the one who found the socks, so she is the one to talk to. She is an ArbCom clerk, therefore already insane and probably available everyday. Bgwhite (talk) 05:39, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Bgwhite, I just saw your edit on Kingdom of Pamplona and noticed that you changed {{reflist|2}} for {{Reflist|30m}}. I had never seen the last template before and am just curious as to its functions or the reasons for using it instead of the other one. What difference does it make? Also, is there a page where I can see these types of templates? Which one could I use if I want to divide a long bibliography section into two columns? Best regards and thanks in advance for your help. --Maragm (talk) 04:44, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Maragm: {{Reflist|2}} is the "old" way. With the rise of mobile phones, tablets, etc, it may not be best to have two columns. Using {{Reflist|30em}} will create columns with a minimum width of 30 em, allowing the browser to automatically choose the number of columns based on the width of the web browser. I usually do 30em when I want "two columns" and 20em when I want "3 columns". {{columns-list|colwidth=30em}} does the same thing with lists, but can be used anywhere in the article. Bgwhite (talk) 05:44, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just one more question. Will a bot be taking care of this or should I do it manually in the articles where I already added the reflist|2 template? --Maragm (talk) 06:45, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for all the impressive solutions you have found to certain problems on my college basketball pages. Great job. Your contributions are definitely recognized! Bcplayer383 (talk) 22:01, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Bcplayer383 Thank you. I was just doing my normal routine. I noticed you were doing alot of updates to Kennesaw State's baskteball pages. Are you a fan? I really liked their former basketball coach Tony Ingle. He seemed like a great person. He was also a great high school basketball coach waaaaay back when. Bgwhite (talk) 22:19, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, that's very intriguing. I'll tell you this- one day i was watching KSU play Georgia in basketball on ESPN3, and I for some reason, became immediately interested. I am a major college basketball fan and i continously support them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcplayer383 (talk • contribs) 02:47, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
small friday request
Hi, you are the last sysop who has dared venture into the minefield of Perth Airport. As far as I can see recent edits, while having perhaps more clearer info, are totally unreferenced and seem to add more WP:NOTGUIDE material than is really necessary. If it was possible I would appreciate you re-visit. I used to have a field of local Perth, Western Australia admins to call on, most have disappeared from regular presence, or are now wilting lillies. It is embarassing, as I do not want to have an edit war with a floating long number edit who changes, but really, even correct info that has no recognisition of WP:RS, or WP:CITE is not a good idea on such an article, imho. cheers JarrahTree08:20, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
calendrically I am travel sick just testing the UTC time in top right hand corner of the edit page at the best of times. You might find nothing of issue in the long number floating edit, it offends me, but might not offend others. Taste in over-detailed 'not guide issues' for airports is - close to epidemiologically speaking - cause of serious illness issues - potentially trauma - when having asian airport articles on watch, some eds want to let us know how many toilet rolls there are in the 34th toilet down from the 23rd gate in wing 4, of the north sector of the international part of the airport. or something like that JarrahTree08:29, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The main problem of the edit was the lack of cite/link or rs and over detail. I suppose asian/oceanian airports are stuck with the stigma, whatever we do with them... JarrahTree08:37, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
JarrahTree Actually, the main problem is the info they are adding is redundant to Perth Airport#Facilities and services. Plus, they put their terminal info at the front of the article and in a horrible format. They keep coming from different IPs, so this could get fun. Oh the airport near me.... two toilet roll dispensers per stall with a capacity of two rolls per dispenser. Bgwhite (talk) 09:43, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Dalanzadgad Airport, at least there is a little kiosk where you can buy a beer while you wait.
That's much better than the one empty dispenser per stall at the last airport I was at. Chance favours the well prepared, as they say. Particularly when traveling in Asia. --kelapstick(on the run) 09:50, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
kelapstick Yea, I bet you've been to your share of dirt airstrips in the middle of nowhere. How is Mongoloia's airports outside of Ulaanbaatar? Condolences on your "win". I actually voted neutral for you because I didn't want to see a nice, wonderful person go onto that hell hole. I almost said nice, wonderful Canadian, but that is redundant. :) Bgwhite (talk) 10:00, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've only been to two outside of UB (well four if you count the fact that they moved one of them twice), I have a few commons uploads of them. They are pretty basic. Even the UB airport is pretty lacking. Although they are building a new one (some of my former employees are working on the construction). I'm in Indonesia at the moment (opposite side from Crisco). And thanks, I almost opposed myself for the same reason. I did manage to catch up on Doctor Who while over here (by accessing the BBC), and am awaiting the Christmas special. Say hi to Mrs. Bgwhite, and of course your mother-in-law, for me. --kelapstick(on the run)
Ah I have come to a talk page I like, Perth to Ulan Bator in one felt swoop. Having created the Queenstown Tasmania airport article from photos I took in the 1970s, I must say the last time in a plane on the West coast of tassie for my west coast range it was heartening to hear the pilot deal with air traffic control in Melbourne, but like being at Giles Weather station landing strip (Western Australian border) and having Adelaide air traffic ontrol.... he joys of flying in Australia... JarrahTree13:02, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Of all the airports I have been to (and it's a rather extensive list), the only ones in Australia I have been to are in WA. Perth, Newman, Meekatharra, and Plutonic. Of note, Plutonic is really just a dirt runway with a sunshade, fuel depot, and porta-potty. I was also happy to see that the most recent move request resulted in Ulan Bator being moved to Ulaanbaatar. --kelapstick(bainuu) 20:31, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
! Bikkit ! It's not "art work", it is a book. Per WP:TSC and MOS:PUNCT, only straight apostrophes are used. In this case, it is a choice, not part of the language, on what apostrophes are used in books, newspapers and websites. On Wikipedia, we use '. Bgwhite (talk) 08:11, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I'm sure that when I removed the PROD yesterday from what was then Holly Tucker MBE, there was also another article about a different Holly Tucker and I was going to see about disambiguation. Could this other page have been inadvertently deleted? (Deletion log 06:41 this morning). With thanks: Noyster (talk),13:58, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Noticed a potential issue with BG19bot's 12OCT2015 edit to prothallium: a stray "Secondly," para got added in the process, possibly as part of adding the reflist. I didn't see any #03 fixes in the first page of the bot's contributions, but of course bots work fast. I fixed that instance, but it may be a bug affecting other pages. — Darekun (talk) 16:51, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Darekun "Secondly," was in the article before the bot arrived. Bot left it in the same spot. Bot did add the reference section header along with {{reflist}}. I don't see where the bot went wrong. Bgwhite (talk) 21:23, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Akld guy I'm not a bot. The reference was already unclickable as there was no ref tag. I removed the ref because it is bad. 1) Nothing was given on how a person would go about getting it. 2) It is a primary source. 3) Court documents generally should not be used. Bgwhite (talk) 04:44, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm talking about references 14 and 15. Your edit made them unclickable, and they came right when I reverted you. Yes, there seems to have been an unclosed ref already present, for which I think I did blame you unfairly. Nevertheless, your edit did cause problems. Akld guy (talk) 04:59, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The references were 14 and 15, but they got renumbered during my fix of the problems. That's because there was an unclosed ref that caused text (and those references) to be lost between where the close should have been and the next close, which happened to be in a different heading. So I can't now tell which references they were, but they are fixed. They were two of the "David Bain V The Queen - Privy Council Judgment" references. As soon as I reverted you, those came right, and when I fixed the ref that was unclosed, the 14 and 15 got renumbered. Akld guy (talk) 06:18, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Futsal Dinamo
Hello BGWhite! I have created a new page about futsal club from Zagreb (Croatia) Futsal Dinamo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futsal_Dinamo) Can you please check if everything is OK.
I would also like to know what is te procedure of uploading pictures for .org Wiki. I have the permission from Club to use their photos in Croatian. I assume that I have to get permission in English. --Jerkovic9 (talk) 09:50, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Jerkovic9 I've made some edits to the page. The images have problems. They will be deleted on Croatian Wiki because they don't qualify for fair use. Written permission must be given by the club in order for the photos to be used. Permission has to be sent by them to Wikipedia. I think the shield is ok to be used. To upload the shield, goto Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. It has to be placed on Wikipedia and not Commons. Commons doesn't allow fair use images. Bgwhite (talk) 22:10, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! Thank you for answering. Why will pictures on Croatian Wiki be deleted? I have sent the Futsal Dinamo's permission to Croatian Wiki administrators and they said that everything is ok. They checked the page, and also gave a green light. Best regards, --Jerkovic9 (talk) 07:34, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Jerkovic9 On the photo page, I was looking at the warning message and didn't read the message above. It does appear everything is ok with the photos on the Croatian Wikipedia. Uploading the shield "should" be straightforward on English Wikipedia. I'm not sure on how to proceed about the other photos. I'm going to ask at WP:OTRS noticeboardBgwhite (talk) 07:48, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking strictly as a volunteer: if you're tired of fixing mistakes or ugly formatting in wikitext, then stop doing it. Really. Let someone else do it. It may be hard initially (and if my experience in walking away from Wikipedia tasks is representative, then things will get worse before anyone steps in), but do something else for a while. Start editing in a way that doesn't make you feel like you've gotten stuck with Sisyphus' punishment. In the end, not only will you get the direct benefit of doing something that's more fun, but the project may also end up with a couple more people who saw a greater need for gnoming edits.
WhatamIdoing I was enjoying it until VE/CX started to add more and more work. I was enjoying it until VE/CX programmers and you started saying VE/CX mistakes weren't important to fix or weren't going to get fixed. You, WMF and VE/CX are not only driving me away, but also others. Many others have stopped or slowed down for the same reason on enwiki and other wikis. This has also made my load go higher. In the group email discussion yesterday about the latest VE disaster, all of us admitted to slowing down because of VE/CX and the response we get from WMF. This latest round where the default VE setting will mess up templates is yet another example of the WMF caring about VE and not the vast majority of editors.
I can't just do something else for awhile. If I do something else, I won't come back to what I'm currently doing. The errors are now at zero. If I leave for a few months, the errors will climb to over 100,000. I'm not going to spend time getting it back down to zero again. I've already changed tasks three times now. I don't see a fourth. Bgwhite (talk) 22:55, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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