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I don't have a COI other than knowing the journal/publisher, having published there, and knowing first hand that the accusations Beall makes are absurd. Read the comments to Beall's blog post. It is the opinion of a single librarian who is a known anti-open access critic (to put it mildly) against 2,500 ehealth experts who have published in JMIR journals. Beall is not a "Reliable Source" in this instance and it is questionable if his poorly researched piece should even be cited here. If you insist to cite him (@Ranykitty), then at least provide a NPOV and balance his outburst with the critique on his piece that is emerging in the comments section to his blog post. |
I don't have a COI other than knowing the journal/publisher, having published there, and knowing first hand that the accusations Beall makes are absurd. Read the comments to Beall's blog post. It is the opinion of a single librarian who is a known anti-open access critic (to put it mildly) against 2,500 ehealth experts who have published in JMIR journals. Beall is not a "Reliable Source" in this instance and it is questionable if his poorly researched piece should even be cited here. If you insist to cite him (@Ranykitty), then at least provide a NPOV and balance his outburst with the critique on his piece that is emerging in the comments section to his blog post. |
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As an aside, there should probably be a page about the publisher [[JMIR Publications]] which is separate from this journal. --[[Special:Contributions/173.33.254.137|173.33.254.137]] ([[User talk:173.33.254.137|talk]]) 09:16, 25 December 2015 (UTC) |
As an aside, there should probably be a page about the publisher [[JMIR Publications]] which is separate from this journal. --[[Special:Contributions/173.33.254.137|173.33.254.137]] ([[User talk:173.33.254.137|talk]]) 09:16, 25 December 2015 (UTC) |
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*Even if we believe that your only COI is "knowing the journal/publisher, having published there" (how naive do you think we are here?), that is enough. Having published there, the higher the prestige of the journal, the higher your prestige for having published there. Knowing something "first hand" is called [[WP:OR|original research]] here and not something that is admissible in an article. As for the comments on Beall's blog post: what Beall himself writes is [[WP:RS|reliable]], but anybody can post anything they want in response, so those comments are not a reliable source. (And please note that they are clearly solicited: nobody will believe that all these sudden comments from people who have never commented on anything Beall has published before came there spontaneously). Regarding reliability: Beall is an accepted expert in his field, whether we like what he writes or not. His blog is professionally written and edited. For example, he will not retroactively change the content of his posts, but clearly indicate old and new text if something needs correction. The same cannot be said about Eysenbach. Just compare the original version of his rant about Beall's blog post with the [http://www.jmir.org/content/beall current one]. Gone are the wild accusations that Beall is editing this WP article and the rather amusing rant about Beall not having a PhD. Doesn't look very serious, publishing something and then surreptitiously changing the content once you notice that you have been embarrassing yourself... As an aside, there is absolutely no need for a separate article for the publisher. This is a minor publisher, publishing a single notable journal. Please get familiar with [[WP:GNG]]. --[[User:Randykitty|Randykitty]] ([[User talk:Randykitty|talk]]) 17:27, 30 December 2015 (UTC) |
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I don't have a COI other than knowing the journal/publisher, having published there, and knowing first hand that the accusations Beall makes are absurd. Read the comments to Beall's blog post. It is the opinion of a single librarian who is a known anti-open access critic (to put it mildly) against 2,500 ehealth experts who have published in JMIR journals. Beall is not a "Reliable Source" in this instance and it is questionable if his poorly researched piece should even be cited here. If you insist to cite him (@Ranykitty), then at least provide a NPOV and balance his outburst with the critique on his piece that is emerging in the comments section to his blog post. As an aside, there should probably be a page about the publisher JMIR Publications which is separate from this journal. --173.33.254.137 (talk) 09:16, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
- Even if we believe that your only COI is "knowing the journal/publisher, having published there" (how naive do you think we are here?), that is enough. Having published there, the higher the prestige of the journal, the higher your prestige for having published there. Knowing something "first hand" is called original research here and not something that is admissible in an article. As for the comments on Beall's blog post: what Beall himself writes is reliable, but anybody can post anything they want in response, so those comments are not a reliable source. (And please note that they are clearly solicited: nobody will believe that all these sudden comments from people who have never commented on anything Beall has published before came there spontaneously). Regarding reliability: Beall is an accepted expert in his field, whether we like what he writes or not. His blog is professionally written and edited. For example, he will not retroactively change the content of his posts, but clearly indicate old and new text if something needs correction. The same cannot be said about Eysenbach. Just compare the original version of his rant about Beall's blog post with the current one. Gone are the wild accusations that Beall is editing this WP article and the rather amusing rant about Beall not having a PhD. Doesn't look very serious, publishing something and then surreptitiously changing the content once you notice that you have been embarrassing yourself... As an aside, there is absolutely no need for a separate article for the publisher. This is a minor publisher, publishing a single notable journal. Please get familiar with WP:GNG. --Randykitty (talk) 17:27, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
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