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:Yeah, I agree that I went overboard with those. I think if we leave just one it should be placed directly under the "Albums" section, because many people click edit on that section only rather than opening the edit window on the entire article. [[User:Extraordinary Machine|Extraordinary Machine]] 17:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC) |
:Yeah, I agree that I went overboard with those. I think if we leave just one it should be placed directly under the "Albums" section, because many people click edit on that section only rather than opening the edit window on the entire article. [[User:Extraordinary Machine|Extraordinary Machine]] 17:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC) |
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==Glitter== |
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Glitter has sold an estimated 5 millions copies according to http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20060816/CPARTS04/608160620/5085/CPARTS04. |
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Carey's allbum sales
IVE BEEN TRYING TO PUT UP AN EXACT TOTAL OF ALBUM AND SINGLE SALES WORLDWIDE AND SOMEONE KEEPS DELETING IT AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY??? I PUT A SOURCE, I MEEN YOU NEED TO POST A REASON FOR THE DELETION OR LEAVE THIS SITE! THANKYOU
WORLDWIDE TOTAL OF ALBUM AND SINGLE SALES: 215 Million [1]
Sources, have been provided, someone stated 18 million for her debut lp and states other sales for carey's other lp's but provide no source. The sales below are a litte exaggarated. What do others thinks? Halla Back?
Here's another source you can check out: http://www.mundomariah.com/discscharts.htm Baby Bash 10:10, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
| Album information |
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Mariah Carey
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Emotions
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MTV Unplugged
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Music Box
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Merry Christmas
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Daydream
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Butterfly
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#1's
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Rainbow
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Glitter
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Greatest Hits
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Charmbracelet
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The Remixes
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The Emancipation of Mimi
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'Now have a look at these sources. I've put 2 sources which state 17mil for debut lp and have sources for her albums. Also added South Africa Fan Club as they contacted carey's record company directly.
| Album information |
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Mariah Carey
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Emotions
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MTV Unplugged
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Music Box
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Merry Christmas
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Daydream
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Butterfly
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#1's
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Rainbow
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Glitter
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Greatest Hits
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Charmbracelet
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The Remixes
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The Emancipation of Mimi
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According to Billboard magazine, 63 million copies of Carey albums had been shipped to retailers in the United States by July 2005. This made her the second best-selling female singer in the country behind Barbra Streisand, who had shipped 70.5 million albums as of that date. [3]
An interview with V Magazine revealed that Carey had sold around 180 million albums worldwide. [4]. Her official website on December 22 2006, stated she sold more than 160 million albums source.
US Album Sales
MARIAH CAREY
(RIAA) 9.000.000 (9x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 4,823,000
(Columbia House) 100.000
Total: 4,923,000
EMOTIONS
(RIAA) 5.000.000 (5x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 3,567,000
(Columbia House) 600.000
Total: 4,167,000
MTV UNPLUGGED EP
(RIAA) 3.000.000 (3x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 2,726,000
Total: 2,726,000
MUSIC BOX
(RIAA) 10.000.000 (10x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 7,143,000
(BMG Music Club) 735.000
Total: 7,878,000
MERRY CHRISTMAS
(RIAA) 5.000.000 (5x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 4,487,000
Total: 4,487,000
DAYDREAM
(RIAA) 10.000.000 (10x Platinum)
(Columbia House) 1.500.000
(SoundScan) 7,527,000
(BMG Music Club) 848.000
Total: 9,875,000
BUTTERFLY
(RIAA) 5.000.000 (5x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 3,691,000
Total: 3,675,000
#1'S
(RIAA) 5.000.000 (5x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 3,444,000
(BMG Music Club) 1.000.000
Total: 4,444,000
RAINBOW
(RIAA) 3.000.000 (3x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 2,908,000
(BMG Music Club) 443.000
(Columbia House) 500.000
Total: 3,851,000
GLITTER
(RIAA) 1.000.000 (1x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 601,000
Total: 601,000
GREATEST HITS
(RIAA) 1.000.000 (1x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 602,000
Total: 602,000
CHARMBRACELET
(RIAA) 1.000.000 (1x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 1,116,000
(BMG Music Club & Columbia House) 170.000
Total: 1,286,000
THE REMIXES
(SoundScan) 201,000
Total 201,000
[[5] source]
If we use the new soundscan numbers that DeVante provided, the sales of these albums would look more like this...
MARIAH CAREY
(RIAA) 9.000.000 (9x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 4,829,087
(Columbia House) 100.000
Total: 4,929,087 (It is definitely a lot more than this since it came out before 1991)
EMOTIONS
(RIAA) 5.000.000 (5x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 3,568,847
(Columbia House) 600.000
Total: 4,168,847
MTV UNPLUGGED EP
(RIAA) 3.000.000 (3x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 2,727,307
Total: 2,727,307
MUSIC BOX
(RIAA) 10.000.000 (10x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 7,153,718
(BMG Music Club) 735.000
Total: 7,888,718
MERRY CHRISTMAS
(RIAA) 5.000.000 (5x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 4,600,150
Total: 4,600,150
DAYDREAM
(RIAA) 10.000.000 (10x Platinum)
(Columbia House) 1.500.000
(SoundScan) 7,534,712
(BMG Music Club) 848.000
Total: 9,882,712
BUTTERFLY
(RIAA) 5.000.000 (5x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 3,690,408
Total: 3,690,408
#1'S
(RIAA) 5.000.000 (5x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 3,522,094
(BMG Music Club) 1.000.000
Total: 4,522,094
RAINBOW
(RIAA) 3.000.000 (3x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 2,916,735
(BMG Music Club) 443.000
(Columbia House) 500.000
Total: 3,859,735
GLITTER
(RIAA) 1.000.000 (1x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 611,259
Total: 611,259
GREATEST HITS
(RIAA) 1.000.000 (1x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 602,000
Total: 602,000
CHARMBRACELET
(RIAA) 1.000.000 (1x Platinum)
(SoundScan) 1,132,049
(BMG Music Club & Columbia House) 170.000
Total: 1,302,049
THE REMIXES
(SoundScan) 227,824
Total: 227,824
69.249.118.231 20:01, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
- All international sales of old albums seem to be blown out of proportion. Even 7.8M in the US +2 in the EU leaves 18 million in the rest of the world. No way. Nor 9+1 (US+EU) to get to 25.... It's 15 M in 1/3 of the world market when 10 M were sold in the other 2/3 including by far her best market. These are jus fan reports...
Even TEOM is more likely below 8M, Island declared 8M shipped two weeks ago, funny her website said 9 sold a month ago, sales are always below shipments. 5+ (US) + 1(EU) leaves 3 m out, and it has not been a worlwide smash...
I Know what you mean I have been trying to put accurate sales but people deleted it because they would rather have fan fiction!
- Yes, i'm appalled at the information provided in all these posts. It ALL comes from fansites. No official bulletins, no IFPI, no Worldwide cerifications. Island last went official with 8.2m, that was a few months ago, the album had done its course by then. Maybe a few top ups here and there may be expected, but considering there have not been shipments to the US since (where there are still a few hundred thousand to sell), nor in Europe, Japan, canada, Australia, a further 2m is ridiculous, especially considering the album's re-release basically only worked in the US.
- Her fansites posted on the page get correct information from Island/Sony. The album sales are right and they also come from some bulletins. How do U know TEOM hasn't sold that much in Japan, Canada, Australia or other places around the World? TEOM has sold over 10 million as of July 2006. Thank You.LAUGH90 17:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
One of Mariah's fans keeps changing the certification of Emotions album. Emotions got certified 4 x platinum in the US, but someone ill-informed keeps changing to over-certify the figure, which is far from the actual certification of that album! It's not yet certified 5 x platinum as of 2006! The most recent certification of Emotions album was 4 x platinum in 2003 by RIAA! Please don't change the certification of that album as the fan who kept changing it with wrong information might read this note. Or administrators on this mariah's article should keep her/him from doing it because it's ill-informed and against the policy here!
- Emotions was certified 5x Platinum in January 2003. It was certified 4x Platinum in September 1994.LAUGH90 17:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
References and sources
These two sites have argeeable sales.
- BOTH FANSITES!!!!!!!!!!! WE can't rely on fansites!
Soundscan figures
Emotions: 4,170,000(Soundscan + record club sales)
MTV Unplugged: 2,726,000
Music Box: 7,878,000*(Soundscan + record club sales)
Merry Christmas: 4,487,000
Daydream: 9,875,000(Soundscan + record club sales)
Butterfly: 3,675,000
Ones: 4,444,000*(Soundscan + record club sales)
Rainbow: 3,851,000(Soundscan + record club sales)
Charmbracelet: 1,280,000(Soundscan + record club sales)
- Are these the United States sales? You've failed to provide a source. —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 13:49, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok,whoever thinks this is their page and their the only ones who can change it are crazy. this is for everyone and ive been changing it to the rite stuff. i dont need a stupid source when im not putting new information on there. Unprotect the page and please put these sales figures: US single sales: 22 million Worldwide single sales:50 million (taken from mariah carey sigles discography-wikipedia) US album sales: 63 million worldwide album sales-160 million
Total worldwide sales- 210,000,000+ million (now are you happy, i was never trying to put unreliable sales, every artist should have the correct sales and thats all i was trying to do)
I have exact U.S. sales numbers as of ending 2005 for all albums. The source is mariahdaily.com(find Thurs., Jan 12,2006). 'Mimi' is updated for 2006.
Mariah Carey- 4,829,087 (post 1991)/ estimated 9 million from release date
Emotions- 3,568,847
MTV Unplugged EP- 2,727,307
Music Box- 7,153,718
Merry Christmas- 4,600,150
Daydream- 7,534,712
Butterfly- 3,690,408
Number 1's- 3,522,094
Rainbow- 2,916,735
Glitter- 611,259
Greatest Hits- 795,788
Charmbracelet- 1,132,049
The Remixes- 227,824
The Emancipation of Mimi- 5,132,693(as of: 1/23/06)
Note: All albums but 'Mimi's sales are as of ending 2005. 'Mimi' is updated every week. Also, record club #s aren't included. These are soundscan only.
By: DeVante'
Page protection
I requested page protection on this article because people were adding unsourced sales figures, taking away sourced ones, and altering others. There's no way this article can be considered anything to go by until reliable, verifiable sources can be added that support all of the figures and chart positions, so that they don't keep changing every day. Extraordinary Machine 00:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
- Has this been sorted out yet? Jkelly 18:56, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Cover
sorry but i have a ask: Why don't is a cover? i don't understend:Are these the United States sales? You've failed to provide a source. —L&D . . . (talk) 20:56, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Protected
I have protected this page until disputes between the two anons can be resolved here. The page was changed atleast 3 times by each editor (3RR rule). Oran e (t) (c) (e) 23:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
- CENSURE? The bit deleted simply pointed out a mismatch between sales in country-by-country breakdown and the sales reposrted from fansites in the discography. Pleaple should be allowed to see that there is an inconsistency on Wikipedia itself- that when we count certifications the numbers add up differently than what fansites say. Funny Orane seems to believe he alos knows the truth and thinks he's got the right to stop users from checking a mismatch on Wikipedia sources. He will delete this bit as well, no doubt.
Extraordinary Machine's changes
The changes that I made that were decribed by you as 'errors' are all correct. Pretty much the only changes I made where adding in which singles were double A sides, correcting the orders of single releases & chart poitions; I have done nothing wrong and would appreciate it if you didn't just randomly change it back without any explanation. 195.93.21.37 00:03, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
- Those singles were only released as double A-sides in certain countries; to mention them as double A-sides here would imply that they were released together everywhere. "Sweetheart" received an official release in some parts of the world, as did "Joy to the World" and "If It's Over", to my knowledge. As far as I know, "Fly Like a Bird" was released as a promo between "We Belong Together" and "Shake It Off" (not after "So Lonely", which would be now) and "Can't Take That Away"/"Crybaby" was released after "Against All Odds". "Boy (I Need You)" and "Irrestistible" were released as promos, and I think "The One" was as well (which I forgot to mention in the article). Incidentally, I made sure to retain some of your contributions (such as chart positions) rather than perform a blanket revert, so I did not "randomly change it back". However, I was mistaken when I removed the note about "Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town" being a promo, so I apologise for that. Extraordinary Machine 17:47, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about about the 'random' thing. However, I'm pretty sure "If It's Over" was never released as an official single anywhere. "Without You" was released in most countries, and the only places "Never Forget You" was released it was as a double A side with it "Without You". "Against All Odds" was released in some non-U.S. countries in September 2000, whereas CTTA/CB was released in the U.S. in June 2000. "Boy (I Need You)" was released as a promo with "Irresistible" and "You Got Me", I put it as "Boy (I Need You)" / "Irresistible" as BINY was the single internationally and in the U.S. "Irresistible" got the airplay. "Don't Stop" & "Never Too Far" were a double A side.
With regards to "Fly Like a Bird" and my placing of other promos (eg. "The Roof", "Whenever You Call") at the end of the rest of the singles from each album, I simply thought that as they weren't properly released they're difference should be made more obvious. 195.93.21.37 17:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Album Covers
Can we get pictures of the album covers from the album pages?
- I don't think that the use of every one of them on the article would meet Wikipedia's fair use criteria. Extraordinary Machine 21:30, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Why not can we use the albums covers?
Picking and choosing
I see that editors are persistently replacing cited sales figures (originally from http://www.mariah-carey-fan.com/), which is completely ridiculous. You can't use http://www.mundomariah.com/discscharts.htm to inflate some worldwide sales figures whilst ignoring the fact that the sales figures they list for other albums are lower than the figures on this article. The same goes for http://www.mariahcarey.co.za/sales.html . We shouldn't pick and choose which sources to cite from depending on whether they list a higher sales figure or not. Extraordinary Machine 12:07, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
- I've reverted the "picking and choosing" again, and I've also removed the exact Nielsen SoundScan sales figures as Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. To the editors who keep undoing my edits: please start discussing these issues as I have already requested several times rather than making radical changes to cited information day after day, without any explanation. Extraordinary Machine 21:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Dear, Extraordinary Machine,
I appreciate your work and support, but I believe the album sales for "Emotions", "MTV Unplugged", "Butterfly",& "Charmbracelet" are larger then they are displayed. I have gotten from a few reliable sources that "Mariah Carey" has just officialy sold 18 million. I know for a fact that "MTV Unplugged" has sold 10 million, too. And I know for a fact that "Butterfly" has sold 17 million because mariahcarey.co.za/sales.html pacifically went to her record label, management, and EMI for album sales. They had said that as of February 2003, it had sold 16.5 million. Unfortunately, they have changed her page to update it and it looks like they have used they're information from wikipedia because a lot of the album sales seem a little lower than last time. Mariah Carey Fan.com is not always accurate and they probably need to update their website. As of February 2003, "Charmbracelet" had sold 2.5 million, but when you look at the album sales from here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_sales_and_certifications_for_Mariah_Carey, it adds up to over 4 million. That same source says that "#1s" also sold about 17 million.
- That page, though it tries to be accurate, it is not. TEOM has shipped 1m in the EU, can't have sold more than it's shipped. Lots of the albums get a great contribution (millions) from China, which did not actually have a market till a few year ago (so forget the 1M for MC etc...) and 1M there is still a huge sum now (it's a smaller market than Italy) and anyway, China does not report sales at all. So, that's guesswork... The same source adds up to 18 M for Music Box though, not 26/28, and there's an interesting contribution asking where the remaining 10M could have been sold, as there are no markets left in that chart wher albums sell more than a few thousand, and only a handful of markets are left...
- I don't know what you're talking about but I'm guessing you're from the Madonna albums discussion, who has also tried to claim how Madonna's sold these many albums and records while Mariah's label has inflated her sales. I believe Sony Records and Island when they say that Music Box has sold 28 million WW.
- I'm glad that there's somebody discussing the issue rather than just blindly restoring their edits whenever removed, but here there is the same problem. For example, you cited http://talk.livedaily.com/archive/index.php/t-337057.html for your edit of the Butterfly worldwide sales figure (14 million to 16 million), but that website lists lower sales figures for Music Box and Daydream than this article and yet you didn't change those. Also, we can't use other Wikipedia articles as sources. Anyway, I've created a table at Talk:Mariah Carey albums discography/Sandbox which allows us to compare the figures that each different website lists. Extraordinary Machine 17:58, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Sales figures in article accurate as of April 22, 2006
The sales figures (both U.S. and worldwide) in the article appear to be correct and supported by references as of this revision. I'm posting this here because a lot of anon editors regularly inflate some of the sales figures listed in the article, despite the presence of inline citations that were inserted to prevent this sort of low-level vandalism. Extraordinary Machine 22:12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Potential featured list?
I think that this list would be an excellent candidate to become a featured list... if only it wasn't subject to anon always changing the sales total. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 21:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- Dear Miss Madeline,
Go to Pulse Music Board.com's Music News section and look for soundscan numbers for June 10th. It posts some new SS numbers for Mariah
- Greatest Hits - 835,000
- #1's - 3.54 million
- The Remixes - 236,000
Plus, I have info that Music Box has sold over 30 million copies worldwide and that Butterfly has sold 16.5 million (not 14 million). Their is also another source that says Charmbracelet has sold 4.5 million worldwide.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.162.20.219 (talk • contribs) 01:04, 14 June 2006.
- The link PulseMusicBoard.com doesn't work for me. Madeline, I'd like it if we could make this a featured list (I've never helped write a featured list before :)), but I agree that it probably won't happen for as long as editors keep changing the sales totals without explanation, which will probably be a few years at least (WP:WIAFL says an FL should "not have ongoing edit wars"). :( Though I don't know if people inflating the sales figures could be considered edit warring or just low-level vandalism... Extraordinary Machine 21:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
- The Guinness Book of Records has Music Box at 26M, which is straighjt from Columbia's own declaration.
- Sony/Columbia/Island all say that Music Box has sold 28 million worldwide.
- The IFPI states TEoM is 8.2M in mid-year, not 10... Those are the shipped copies, it's 6M in the US and 1M in the EU, it has not sold much anywhere else either, so, the 3M extra is out of the question. Still a big hit but does not need boosting, does it?
- I do hope you know that Europe and the US aren't the only place to sell records. 10 million sold has officialy been claimed.
- Not by Island!!! I think you are confusing the word official (friom Record Company) with 'reported on a fansite or in a magazine' They SHIPPED 7.7 in 2005. There have not been shipments outtside the US since. It went plat in Europe in december (1M) and sold about another million/1.5m in the rest of teh world. Being out of all teh world's charts since last year, one wonders how it could have sold more around the world (almost 3M) since Janaury than before. No way. This is clearly an inflated number. Island said 8.2 shipped, not 10. Fansites may say 10, but there's no mention from Island or the IFPI about 10. This will have to be readjusted when the IFPI publish their next list, and TEOM won't show as selling 2.3M since Jan, cos it hasn't.
- You should know that fansites (at least most fansites) get they're info from record companies. Even the MC Archives.com get they're info from the record label. Billboard and the TODAY show got over 9 million from Island in April/May 2006. The record label (along with other websites and magazines and TV shows) have said over 10 million shipped/sold. And, once again, Europe and the US aren't the only place to sell records! TEOM has gottten at least 12 Platinum/Gold certifications from around the world! And I'm guessing you're from the Madonna albums discussion since you have already "claimed" that Madonna has sold/shipped over 10 million when her record label said she only got 8 million worldwide, yet you claim Mariah has only made 8m when her Island declared 10 million. LOL.172.129.202.203 00:24, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Invisible notes
I was just about to edit this page, but could not find my way around all the invisible notes in the article. And almost everyone of them threatened to block editors who changed the figures without citing sources (even I was discouraged from editing). I propose that the notices be cut down to only one (placed at the top). How can people call this a "free encyclopedia", when editors fear being blocked every time they edit this page? I am very troubled by the policing of this page. Yes, editors can be reminded of certain things, but they shouldn't see it everywhere they turn. Even heavily vandalised articles do not have unnecessary block threats. Orane (talk • cont.) 00:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree that I went overboard with those. I think if we leave just one it should be placed directly under the "Albums" section, because many people click edit on that section only rather than opening the edit window on the entire article. Extraordinary Machine 17:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry if I sounded harsh. I was just overwhelmed :). Orane (talk • cont.) 18:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Glitter
Glitter has sold an estimated 5 millions copies according to http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20060816/CPARTS04/608160620/5085/CPARTS04.