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User:200.109.50.66 please explain your edits. You've provided no edit summary, have deleted accurate information from reliable sources, and have introduced POV into the article:

Please explain your insertions of allegedly and Department of State. Please provide a reliable source that indicates that the U.S. Department of State was a founder of Sumate, and justifying the word allegedly.

Affirming that Sumate is a "pro-democracy" is a political statement and not actually a fact, Sumate is not universally considered a "pro-democracy" organization but more of a "antigovernment organization". One can allege that it is pro-democracy, but not affirm it. SOURCE: NEW YORK TIMES; Opposition Rejects Audit Plan in Venezuela Recall Vote Dispute.

I concede that i cannot find a reliable source that proves that the Us department of state funded sumate

- María Corina Machado is a founder of the Venezuelan allegedly pro-democracy volunteer civil association, Súmate, along with Alejandro Plaz and the United States Department of State.

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Please explain the deletion of reliably-sourced information.

- The government of Chávez charged Machado and other Súmate officials with treason and conspiracy, charges which could result in more than a decade in prison. (Ceaser, Mike (July 5, 2005). Anti-Chávez leader under fire. Christian Science Monitor.) The trial has been postponed several times.
- Machado was hailed as "the best of womankind and the difficult times many women face around the globe" on a list of Women the World Should Know for International Women's Day. (Women the World Should Know. National Review Online (Mar 8 2006). Accessed 1 July 2006.)

Machado being considered "the best of womankind" for "standing firm against the injustice in Venezuela" by Carrie Lukas is irrelevant in her biography, it is the sole opinion of a obviously biased journalist. The author affirms that there is injustice in the venezuelan democratic sistem without any proof. Its is yellow journalism.

This is the personal article of Maria Corina Machado. The following items, which you have inserted twice, are covered in detail in the Súmate article.
- When the referendum was held (supervised by the Carter Center and the OAS) Hugo Chávez won with 59% of the vote, however the opposition and Sumate refused to recognize the results.
POV and unsourced allegations you inserted into the article:
- Once evidence of covert U.S. financing was discovered,
  - NED is not covert financing. Please provide a reliable source for your edits.

I concede that although it is not covert, it is the case of a political organization recieving funds from a foreign government. This is in violation of article 132 of the venezuelan penal code and articles 6 and 130 of the venezuelan constitution SOURCE: http://www.aporrea.org/imprimir_noticia.php?docid=14206

Please provide an explanation of your deletion/change to the following:
- Venezuelan newspaper El Nacional printed a list alleging that María Corina Machado's signature is among 352 signatures on The Carmona Decree, but there are no reliable reports of the significance of the list.

the author doubts the significance of the list, not the fact that she signed, http://www.el-nacional.com/referencia/documentos/pdf/Listadeimputados.pdf, therefore it should read " el nacional printed a list that proves that maria machado signature is among..."

- - Unless you have a reliable source backing up the allegation, it is only an allegation.

one of the most respected newspapers of venezuela showed the list. obviously there is some significance to it, the author tries to deny this alleging there are no "reliable reports"

Also, please review WP:BLP. You are inserting inaccurate information about a living person into her biography, and deleting accurate, reliably-sourced information. Sandy 00:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

oh my gosh, I can't read this. I will try to re-factor the talk page to figure out what the responses are. Anyway, User:200.109.50.66, I'm glad you came to the talk page to figure this out. Give me some time to fix the talk page formatting to be able to read your responses. Please sign your talk page entries with four tildes ( ~~~~). Thanks, Sandy 02:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 *Please explain your insertions of '''allegedly''' and '''Department of State'''.  Please provide a reliable source that indicates that the U.S. Department of State was a founder of Sumate, and justifying the word allegedly.
-'''Bold text''' Affirming that Sumate is a "pro-democracy" is a political statement and not actually a fact, Sumate is not universally considered a "pro-democracy" organization but more of a "antigovernment organization". One can allege that it is pro-democracy, but not affirm it.
+'''Affirming that Sumate is a "pro-democracy" is a political statement and not actually a fact, Sumate is not universally considered a "pro-democracy" organization but more of a "antigovernment organization". One can allege that it is pro-democracy, but not affirm it.'''
 SOURCE: NEW YORK TIMES; Opposition Rejects Audit Plan in Venezuela Recall Vote Dispute.
-'''Bold text''' I concede that i cannot find a reliable source that proves that the Us department of state funded sumate, even though it is widely known that its serves its interests.
+'''I concede that i cannot find a reliable source that proves that the Us department of state funded sumate'''
 **'''María Corina Machado''' is a founder of the [[Venezuela]]n '''allegedly''' pro-democracy volunteer civil association, ''[[Súmate]]'', along with [[Alejandro Plaz]] '''and the United States Department of State.'''
-'''Bold text'''read top
+'''read top'''
 * Please explain the deletion of reliably-sourced information.
 **The government of Chávez charged Machado and other ''Súmate'' officials with [[treason]] and [[conspiracy]], charges which could result in more than a decade in prison. (Ceaser, Mike (July 5, 2005). [http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0705/p06s01-woam.html Anti-Chávez leader under fire.] ''Christian Science Monitor''.) The trial has been postponed several times.
 **Machado was hailed as "the best of womankind and the difficult times many women face around the globe" on a list of ''Women the World Should Know'' for [[International Women's Day]]. ([http://www.nationalreview.com/symposium/symposium200603080944.asp Women the World Should Know.] ''National Review Online'' (Mar 8 2006). Accessed 1 July 2006.)
-'''Bold text'''Machado being considered "the best of womankind" for "standing firm against the injustice in Venezuela" by Carrie Lukas is irrelevant in her biography, it is the sole opinion of a obviously biased journalist. The author affirms that there is injustice in the venezuelan democratic sistem without any proof. Its is yellow journalism.
+'''Machado being considered "the best of womankind" for "standing firm against the injustice in Venezuela" by Carrie Lukas is irrelevant in her biography, it is the sole opinion of a obviously biased journalist. The author affirms that there is injustice in the venezuelan democratic sistem without any proof. Its is yellow journalism.'''
 *This is the personal article of Maria Corina Machado.  The following items, which you have inserted twice, are covered in detail in the [[Súmate]] article.
 **When the referendum was held (supervised by the [[Carter Center]] and the [[OAS]]) Hugo Chávez won with 59% of the vote, however the opposition and Sumate refused to recognize the results.
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 **Once evidence of covert U.S. financing was discovered,
 ***NED is not covert financing. Please provide a reliable source for your edits.
-'''Bold text'''I concede that although it is not covert, it is the case of a political organization recieving funds from a foreign government. This is in violation of article 132 of the venezuelan penal code and articles 6 and 130 of the venezuelan constitution SOURCE: http://www.aporrea.org/imprimir_noticia.php?docid=14206
+'''I concede that although it is not covert, it is the case of a political organization recieving funds from a foreign government. This is in violation of article 132 of the venezuelan penal code and articles 6 and 130 of the venezuelan constitution SOURCE: http://www.aporrea.org/imprimir_noticia.php?docid=14206 '''
 *Please provide an explanation of your deletion/change to the following:
 **Venezuelan newspaper ''El Nacional'' printed a list alleging that María Corina Machado's signature is among 352 signatures on [[The Carmona Decree|The Carmona Decree]], but there are no reliable reports of the significance of the list.
-'''Bold text'''the auther doubts the significance of the list, not the fact that she signed, http://www.el-nacional.com/referencia/documentos/pdf/Listadeimputados.pdf, therefore it should read " el nacional printed a list that proves that maria machado signature is among..."
+'''the author doubts the significance of the list, not the fact that she signed, http://www.el-nacional.com/referencia/documentos/pdf/Listadeimputados.pdf, therefore it should read " el nacional printed a list that proves that maria machado signature is among..."'''
 ***Unless you have a reliable source backing up the allegation, it is only an allegation.
-'''Bold text'''one of the most respected newspapers of venezuela showed the list. obviously there is some significance to it, the author tries to deny this alleging there are no "reliable reports"
+'''one of the most respected newspapers of venezuela showed the list. obviously there is some significance to it, the author tries to deny this alleging there are no "reliable reports"'''
 Also, please review [[WP:BLP]].  You are inserting inaccurate information about a living person into her biography, and deleting accurate, reliably-sourced information.  [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy]] 00:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)