Talk:Institute of technology

Distinct pages?

Should Institute of technology and Polytechnic be seperated once again as two distinct pages? This article appears to be struggling to reconcile the two...with only a small mention of their historically vast differences over several decades of their evolution.--Huaiwei 05:20, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Probably what needs to be better clarified is that both terms have been used for both Universities and for what in Australia is called Technical and Further Education with a more vocational education focus. Splitting would still require this to be explained. There is substantial overlap as different national education systems tend to use one or the other. Paul foord 13:05, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Or both...with different meanings for each. Which is why it is inherently difficult to lump everything together in one article when they can mean quite different things. Singapore, for example, still have Polytechnics which are not considered universities. Perhaps it makes better sense for each school type to have its own page, emphasizing on particular localities and institutions which uses that term or system, while also discussing similarities with other terminologies/systems, whether contemporarily or historically?--Huaiwei 13:47, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Institues of Technology vs. Polytechnics

I have added three requests for {{fact}} in the text as a number of conclusions are drawn in the article and need referencing. Djegan 18:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

IITs

I seriously doubt the Indian Institutes of Technology are "Institutes of technology" as described in this article, despite the name. The IITs are not polytechnic, ITIs (Industrial Training Institute, which are also located in India) are. When I went about correcting this, I found that this "mis"-information is present in many other articles as well. In order to confirm, I did extensive google searching, and could not find any direct mention of IITs as vocational institutes or polytechnics from any source other than mirrors of Wikipedia. I have removed the info from Indian Institutes of Technology article, but want to discuss before making changes throughout Wikipedia. Another clarification...In India, all engineering degrees take four years, as with the BTech in IITs. Hence there is again no correlation with professional BTech as mentioned in some of the articles. If any of you feel otherwise, please provide verifiable sources that back the claims. I again want to mention that despite similarities in name, in India the meaning of Institute of Technology is very different from the European definition. Though IITs give a few PG diplomas, it will be wrong to label the whole university as vocational institute. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 08:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Further note: Though I mentioned IITs, the National Institutes of Technology also fit the same profile and whatever decision is taken, will apply to them also. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 08:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Another section in the article discusses IIT's using the term "institute of technology" for "historical reasons" which is quite true (backing my statement). However, the article still mentions IIT in "India" section, which is confusing. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

This article is a write up on "Institutes of Technology" and not on Polytechnics as such. I believe that IITs and NIT are the only Institutes in India which fit this category. - Lawliet 92 (talk) 17:20, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Article on Vocational universities

What overlap is there with the article on Vocational universities? Paul foord 14:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

What language was this (rather badly) translated from?

"and diminute number of highly distinguished alumni and professors..." Diminute is an obsolete word, in English at least. Someone should update his dictionary/thesaurus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.62.47 (talk) 01:31, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Oldest Institute of Technology in the world

The article "University of Technology" points to this article and as such causing misunderstanding in education concepts. In the year 1735 the only institue of technology was the Bergschule. This institute provided Further education and in 1762 ranked up to be Academia providing Higher education. In the United Kingdom Further Education includes colleges of further education while universities (including polytechnic universities) is higher education. The education concept in Germany and in Austria is completely different from the UK education system and as such the Bergschule, Berg schola, is considered to be the first Institute of Technology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.173.15 (talk) 19:57, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

In section 1 Institutes of technology versus polytechnics the following sentence is written: "An exception is the Ecole Polytechnique, the oldest one in the world, which has educated French élites since its foundation in 1794."

However, in section 12 Hungary, the following statement is found: "One of the oldest (est. 1782) Universities of Technology of the world is locatad in Budapest."

This apparent contradiction needs to be solved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marv Fletch (talk • contribs) 21:00, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

One more to the controversy, In section "Czech Republic", "Czech Technical University in Prague" is mentioned to be founded in 1707. Seems to be much older then both mentioned above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.204.233.210 (talk) 13:56, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Answer The Czech Technical University in Prague was not part of higher education in the 18th century, because the grammar school/secondary school was not requirement for pupils to enter this school. The first real higher education (Academy) of institute of technology was founded in Selmecbánya in 1735. To enter this academy the secondary school was basic requirements. The world's first University of technology was BME in Hungary. It produced the first so-called university degree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.182.75.177 (talk) 20:01, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

That is a very bold statement. Is there any source to back it up? The teachers in Prague had title of Professor within the traditional German meaning of the term, therefore it is clearly tertiary education, while the graduates obtained title of Engineer. There was read: military architecture, geodesy, cartography, etc. Moreover, at the beginning the school was open only to the nobles, so there is presumption, that these already had primary and secondary education behind them (at least gymnasium). Unless there is direct source for your statement, Prague should be moved above Hungarian one.

To make it more complicated, there was an Academy in Olomouc, see Collegium Nobilium, from 1725. The curicullum was primarily technical, and it is continued through Brno University of Technology. And in Olomouc having secondary education was basic requirement. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 15:09, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

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Poorly written paragraph

"In several countries, like Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Turkey, institutes of technology and polytechnics are institutions of higher education, and have been accredited to award academic degrees and doctorates. Famous examples are the Istanbul Technical University, ETH Zurich, İYTE, Delft University of Technology and RWTH Aachen, all considered universities."

This entire paragraph should be removed. "In several countries"? Where not? The point is that the level differs from vocational tot scientific, that point had already been made earlier in the article. "Famous examples"? ETH is a famous example. IC is a famous example but is not mentioned. Aachen en Delft are decent universities (better than most American and English universities) but they are not considered better than many other universities of technology or the technical part of ordinary universities (for example in Belgium) in that part of Europe. 82.171.61.28 (talk) 14:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a dictionary

Wikipedia is not a dictionary -- that is, each article is supposed to be about a single topic, not about a term (single word or phrase). But this article includes a large variety of very disparate organizations, as it says in its own lead, simply because they happen to be named 'Institute of Technology', 'Polytechnic', etc. Lumping together secondary-level vocational schools with doctorate-granting research universities specializing in the sciences and technology just isn't very useful. Instead, this article should be split up into parts that talk about different kinds of educational institution, regardless of what they are called. The classification should be based on reliable sources which define categories that are meaningful across various national systems. --Macrakis (talk) 19:06, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge with List of institutions using the term "institute of technology" or "polytechnic"

Two articles covering the same topic DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 11:06, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Interpretation of the term "Institute of technology"

Many institutes offering a form of education for school leavers in several disciplines existed in the United Kingdom and a few of them are still around today. They offered technical based subjects and offered both vocational education and academic subjects were including for training people in other mainstream disciplines much like a further education college. These places were once called technical Institutes. Technical Institutes and Polytechnics where distinct and different from one another. Technical institutes offered further education while Polytechnics offered degree level higher education. Since the 1950's UK Polytechnics (some go back to the early 19th Century) where universities in all but name and operated under a binary system of higher education with universities. Polytechnics focussed on teaching at higher diploma, bachelors, masters and PhD research levels. Universities focussed on research. Polytechnic's original primary focus was STEM subjects. Polytechnic Degrees where validated at the UK National level by the CNAA. The UK Polytechnic's original mandate was to become technological universities but they became more like traditional universities building faculties of law, humanities and liberal arts. In 1992 the UK government dismantled the binary system of higher education allowing Polytechnics to award their own degrees. Just learner 14:24, 13 May 2015 (UTC) Just learner

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