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*'''Overturn to no consensus''' per Cunard without prejudice towards opening a merger discussion. No one, not even the nominator supported deletion, so this should not have been brought to AFD. !Votes on keep v. merge were closely or equally divided. There were reasonable policy/guideline supported arguments on both sides (although the underlying notability seems to be solidly demonstrated). A well-framed merger discussion is the best way to approach the matter, rather than one using deletion criteria as the starting point. [[User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz|The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. ]] ([[User talk:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz|talk]]) 19:24, 20 February 2016 (UTC) |
*'''Overturn to no consensus''' per Cunard without prejudice towards opening a merger discussion. No one, not even the nominator supported deletion, so this should not have been brought to AFD. !Votes on keep v. merge were closely or equally divided. There were reasonable policy/guideline supported arguments on both sides (although the underlying notability seems to be solidly demonstrated). A well-framed merger discussion is the best way to approach the matter, rather than one using deletion criteria as the starting point. [[User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz|The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. ]] ([[User talk:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz|talk]]) 19:24, 20 February 2016 (UTC) |
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*'''Endorse''' I do think that the discussion there was leaning towards a merge/redirect rather than a keep. The main arguments for keeping were that it's a secondary school or high school and those are presumed to be notable. I don't actually see any evidence for the claim that secondary schools are presumed to be notable and [[WP:OUTCOMES]] contradicts this by saying that middle schools usually aren't notable. High schools are presumed to be notable but as pointed out although the age range of this school overlaps with high schools it isn't itself a high school. Cunard offered some sources, but the other editors who analysed them concluded that they were all local and/or press releases. I can see where both sides are coming from on the question of whether the Seattle Times coverage elevates this beyond local coverage and so I don't think we can treat that as a knockdown argument. I don't see how the fact that this educates beyond the school leaving age in some countries is at all relevant here. '''''[[User:Hut 8.5|<span style="color:#FF0000;">Hut 8.5</span>]]''''' 21:35, 20 February 2016 (UTC) |
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The closing admin wrote, "The article's subject is found to lack the required notability to have a stand-alone article." I do not see such a consensus in the AfD.
Secondary schools generally are considered notable. Federal Way Public Academy educates students in grades 6–10. Editors disputed whether educating to grade 10 rather than grade 12 was notable enough. "Merge" editors said the school was not notable because it is is not a diploma-granting high school, while "keep" editors noted that this American school "educates to the school-leaving age in many countries so does count as a secondary school".
I provided reliable sources about the school from the Federal Way Mirror, The News Tribune, and The Seattle Times that demonstrate the school passes Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. "Merge" editors asserted that coverage by papers in the Seattle metropolitan area was insufficient to establish notability because they are local sources.
An American high school that teaches up to grade 12 is considered notable because there is a presumption that there are local sources about it. It is not necessary to find non-local sources for diploma-granting high schools to establish notability. The same standard should apply for an American high school that teaches up to grade 10. There was no consensus in the AfD that the local sources were insufficient to establish notability. Just Chilling and I believed local sources were sufficient, while DGG, John from Idegon, and Onel5969 did not. As I noted in the AfD, The Seattle Times is the largest daily newspaper in the state of Washington. Coverage in a regional or statewide source like The Seattle Times strongly establishes that the school is notable.
I have not contacted the closing admin prior to taking this here because the closing admin wrote at User talk:Coffee/Editnotice, "If you want to ask me about a deletion I made, take a look at our deletion policy. If you aren't satisfied with my actions or want them changed, feel free to take it to deletion review, and leave a note here saying that you opened a discussion there."
Overturn to no consensus.
Cunard (talk) 18:56, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
- Overturn to no consensus per Cunard without prejudice towards opening a merger discussion. No one, not even the nominator supported deletion, so this should not have been brought to AFD. !Votes on keep v. merge were closely or equally divided. There were reasonable policy/guideline supported arguments on both sides (although the underlying notability seems to be solidly demonstrated). A well-framed merger discussion is the best way to approach the matter, rather than one using deletion criteria as the starting point. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. (talk) 19:24, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
- Endorse I do think that the discussion there was leaning towards a merge/redirect rather than a keep. The main arguments for keeping were that it's a secondary school or high school and those are presumed to be notable. I don't actually see any evidence for the claim that secondary schools are presumed to be notable and WP:OUTCOMES contradicts this by saying that middle schools usually aren't notable. High schools are presumed to be notable but as pointed out although the age range of this school overlaps with high schools it isn't itself a high school. Cunard offered some sources, but the other editors who analysed them concluded that they were all local and/or press releases. I can see where both sides are coming from on the question of whether the Seattle Times coverage elevates this beyond local coverage and so I don't think we can treat that as a knockdown argument. I don't see how the fact that this educates beyond the school leaving age in some countries is at all relevant here. Hut 8.5 21:35, 20 February 2016 (UTC)