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Marin Getaldić was not ethnic Italian. He never identified himself as Italian. Also people of Republic of Ragusa where |
Marin Getaldić was not ethnic Italian. He never identified himself as Italian. Also people of Republic of Ragusa where Croats not Italians. Croats are present in Dubrovnik since 7th century. And there is many evidence of that. Among other things, all the documents from the time of the Dubrovnik Republic are still preserved in Dubrovnik. |
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Latin was the official language of Dubrovnik in politics. Because Latin was offical language of Catholic church. And Croats are Christians Catholics. Latin was official language in whole Croatia not just Dubrovnik. |
Latin was the official language of Dubrovnik in politics. Because Latin was offical language of Catholic church. And Croats are Christians Catholics. Latin was official language in whole Croatia not just Dubrovnik. |
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In that time it was normal for nobles in whole Croatia to have latin versions of its name. Same was with Marin Getaldić. |
In that time it was normal for nobles in whole Croatia to have latin versions of its name with their croat ( common ) name. Same was with Marin Getaldić. |
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Statement by [[User_talk:Zoupan|Z<small>oupan</small>]] qoute: |
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Marin Getaldić is his name and that name should be used. He was citizen of Dubrovnik and Dubrovnik is part of Croatia. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/83.131.185.121|83.131.185.121]] ([[User talk:83.131.185.121|talk]]) 02:28, 22 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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This statement above is offensive to the citizens of Dubrovnik and Croatia. |
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Marin Getaldić is his name and that name should be used. He was citizen of Dubrovnik and Dubrovnik is part of Croatia. |
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Name ''Marino Ghetaldi'' was used only in Italy not in Republic of Ragusa. |
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Marin Getaldić and latin version Marinus Ghetaldus where used in Republic of Ragusa. |
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Getaldić, not Ghetaldi
The name "Marin Getaldić" is ten times more frequent, just check Google. The article must have that name. Saying that the Italian version of the name should be used because his family supposedly arrived to Dubrovnik from Italy in the 8th century - seven centuries before he was born! - is simply ridiculous. The legendary origins can be mentioned, but nothing more. --Zmaj 17:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I request the change of the article name into Marin Getladić! --Anto 14:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Name of this article should be change in Marin Getaldić. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.131.185.121 (talk) 02:10, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Name
- "Marinus Ghetaldus" (389), contemporary name (Latin)
- "Marino Ghetaldi" (313), contemporary name (Italian/Venetian)
- "Marin Getaldić" (135), Croatian neologism
- "Marin Ghetaldi" (98)
Gbook hits. 20th and 21st-century favours "Marino Ghetaldi".--Zoupan 11:18, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Requested to rename article to Marin Getaldić
Marin Getaldić → Marino Ghetaldi – As per GBook hits presented in the above section. Zoupan 11:24, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support. I get 243 post-2000 GBook results for the proposed title compared to 178 for the current one. There are also 73 results for "Marinus Ghetaldus." He was an ethnic Italian living in a community that was Italian at the time. We should not project today's politics backward in time and make him Croatian. Latin would seem like a nice compromise, but isn't on the table in this discussion. The initializer (talk) 01:55, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Marin Getaldić was not ethnic Italian. He never identified himself as Italian. Also people of Republic of Ragusa where Croat not Italians. Croat are present in Dubrovnik since 7th century. And there is many evidence of that. Among other things, all the documents from the time of the Dubrovnik Republic are still preserved in Dubrovnik.
Latin was the official language of Dubrovnik in politics. Because Latin was offical language of Catholic church. And Croats are Christians Catholics. Latin was official language in whole Croatia not just Dubrovnik.
In that time it was normal for nobles in whole Croatia to have latin versions of its name. Same was with Marin Getaldić.
He was an ethnic Italian living in a community that was Italian at the time. We should not project today's politics backward in time and make him Croatian this part of you statement is offensive to the citizens of Dubrovnik and Croatia.
Soo you are the one who wants to rewrite History.
Marin Getaldić is his name and that name should be used. He was citizen of Dubrovnik and Dubrovnik is part of Croatia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.131.185.121 (talk) 02:28, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Requested to rename article to Marin Getaldić
- (Discuss) – Marino Ghetaldi → Marin Getaldić-
Marin Getaldić was not ethnic Italian. He never identified himself as Italian. Also people of Republic of Ragusa where Croats not Italians. Croats are present in Dubrovnik since 7th century. And there is many evidence of that. Among other things, all the documents from the time of the Dubrovnik Republic are still preserved in Dubrovnik. Latin was the official language of Dubrovnik in politics. Because Latin was offical language of Catholic church. And Croats are Christians Catholics. Latin was official language in whole Croatia not just Dubrovnik. In that time it was normal for nobles in whole Croatia to have latin versions of its name with their croat ( common ) name. Same was with Marin Getaldić.
Statement by Zoupan qoute:
He was an ethnic Italian living in a community that was Italian at the time. We should not project today's politics backward in time and make him Croatian
This statement above is offensive to the citizens of Dubrovnik and Croatia. Zoupan is the one who wants to rewrite History.
Marin Getaldić is his name and that name should be used. He was citizen of Dubrovnik and Dubrovnik is part of Croatia. Name Marino Ghetaldi was used only in Italy not in Republic of Ragusa. Marin Getaldić and latin version Marinus Ghetaldus where used in Republic of Ragusa.
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