User talk:T.seppelt

Wikidata

Please, stop your Kasparbot on four articles (here, here, here and here) in [fr. Wikipédia] . I am waiting for the result of an important discussion. Look at the talk of Kasparbot. Regards, --Cvbn (talk) 02:00, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

@Cvbn: the discussion seems to be closed. What are the results? -- T.seppelt (talk) 14:25, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

@T;seppelt: hello, the discussion is now enter in a second phase from 1st march --Cvbn (talk) 03:23, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Challenge with Terry Goodkind

Terry Goodkind list of challenges has an "under development" where the link to "decide this now" normally would be. Is this a problem with all birthplaces? --Izno (talk) 16:33, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Other feedback: When I click on the "decide now" from an article's list of challenges, the challenge should redirect me back to the article list of challenges rather than to the next challenge in the bucket. E.g. from Gates McFadden list of challenges to Aliases 3113 back to Gates McFadden, instead of from Aliases 3113 to Aliases N. --Izno (talk) 16:37, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

^ Addendum: Unless I've run out of challenges for a particular article, then just send me to the next of whatever type I was looking at prior. --Izno (talk) 16:40, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

@Izno: These challenges belong to the section of unparsable information. I am working on a page for parsing places manually, later dates will be available. Until everything is rolled out I have to show something like under development. The idea with the redirections is very good. I'll work on this when I have time. -- T.seppelt (talk) 10:00, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps provide a link to wherever you're keeping the documentation e.g. [https://www.example.com Under development]? --Izno (talk) 12:21, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Good idea, I'll work on it.--T.seppelt (talk) 12:51, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

 Done the article-redirecting feature is implemented. Still  Working on unparsable-links... -- T.seppelt (talk) 17:22, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Pre-1920 dates

Vitaly Ginzburg still exposes pre-1920 dates (and I suspect all lists of article challenges). Thoughts? --Izno (talk) 12:43, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

@Izno: the pre-1920 dates are all available for decisions. There is a special interface for them. Please have a look at [1]. What do you think? -- T.seppelt (talk) 14:16, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

The UI look okay. Not the best but it should be serviceable. Why in the linked challenge is the recommended type Gregorian? (Basically, what is the basis for the recommendation?) Ginzburg was Russian--I suppose country of citizenship is probably going to be the best way to recommend a calendar. Do you have another? --Izno (talk) 14:35, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

The recommendation is based on the results of the wbparsevalue method of the Wikibase API. If you could provide a table with countries and their individual time of changing to the Gregorian Calendar, I would implement it in this way. --T.seppelt (talk) 20:21, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Unless you feel like documenting what goes on in that API method, I will take a look later. The list of countries can probably be found at Adoption of the Gregorian calendar#Timeline? There may be plaintext list lying around the Internet I suppose. --Izno (talk) 20:57, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

@Izno: The API method is documented here. I agree with you, it's quite intransparent. I don't really want to mix every thing up with complicated maps for (place of death / birth => country (at this time) => date of adoption). I could just remove the (recommended) marking. Thank the user would have to decide on it's own. Another questions: Can I exclude dates before 1582 from this procedure? The Gregorian calendar did not exist before. -- T.seppelt (talk) 16:35, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure. It probably depends on where the date of birth is cited to (if there is a citation at all) and when and where that work was published. For month-year or exact dates we'd probably need to exclude December/January? Years might be okay... --Izno (talk) 16:50, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, that's the documented use of the method but we need to go look at the source code to see how it is making its evaluation. --Izno (talk) 16:52, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Sure. Than I'd prefer to enable the feature for all challenges with pre-1920 dates. So I remove the (recommended)? -- T.seppelt (talk) 17:05, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Until we've reviewed the white box workings, I'd say so. --Izno (talk) 17:18, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

 Done -- T.seppelt (talk) 19:24, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

QuickReferences feature

Regarding the article searches, at least for place of death/birth claims, it would be helpful to have the infobox information provided first rather than "below the fold", since the infobox will almost always confirm the claim, whereas the text sometimes finds stuff like "he went to school at Cincinnati High". Was there a reason the infoboxes are below the fold? --Izno (talk) 13:15, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, sometimes the infobox stuff appears above and sometimes below. Is there any rhyme or reason to what gets posted where? --Izno (talk) 13:24, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

The matches are rated based on the amount of occurrences of the value and certain key words (birth, death, born, died, place etc.). For every occurrence of the value the match gets 100 points, for every occurrence of one of the key words it gets 1 point. If there are more than 3 matches only the one with the best rating is displayed, the others are hidden. I can define a new rule for infobox parameters. They could always be displayed above / below / at a special position. -- T.seppelt (talk) 14:16, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Always having the infobox first might be desirable, then display by best rating (hiding as necessary). --Izno (talk) 14:35, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Okay. What do you think about the UI for pre-1920 dates (e.g. [2])? -- T.seppelt (talk) 14:59, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

I moved your and my comment above re the UI. --Izno (talk) 15:21, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Problems with wikidata challenges

Hi, I am having some problems with the challenges which have started appearing. Very good initiative though, I hope they can be sorted out:

1. I get "CSRF detected" when I try to connect (or authorise or whatever) Kasparbot, so I can't respond to any of the issues. Using Firefox on Windows 10 (I'll try Suse later). Normally with NoScript running, but I get this message even when I disable it.
2. The links to properties such as P19 and P20 are incorrect, wikidata reports "does not exist" even though they clearly do.

-- Mirokado (talk) 18:56, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm guessing you're talking about the list of article challenges? Yes, those should link to d:Property:P19 and etc. --Izno (talk) 20:47, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

@Mirokado and Izno: the links are now correct. The first point seams to be a problem with the OAuth Extension. It is working for a lot of other users. Can you just try to purge your cache, login again and authorize? It should not be related to JavaScript since the whole process is on the server side. Thank you for the feedback! -- T.seppelt (talk) 09:57, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the responses. I did more-or-less as you suggested (purged the Kasparbot welcome page and tried to authorise from a different challenge page) and it worked this time. --Mirokado (talk) 16:21, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

@Mirokado: Great. Thank you for your help. -- T.seppelt (talk) 16:19, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Non-removal of comments

Hi, when KasparBot makes edits like this, it is sometimes failing to remove the associated comment <!--Metadata: see [[Wikipedia:Persondata]]--> which is sometimes on the same line as the opening {{Persondata but is sometimes on the line above, as here. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:52, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Ah thanks. I'll adjust the replacement pattern according to this.--T.seppelt (talk) 12:15, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

It's also not removing other material. Examples are William Miller (preacher), Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri and Karl Weyprecht. I've come across ~20 today. Edit summary is also somewhat misleading as it sometimes didn't transfer any data. It also transferred bad data. Persondata is highly unreliable. When Persondata is different from the infobox, text and refs, the bot transfers the bad persondata. Bgwhite (talk) 00:22, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: First: KasparBot did not copy any Persondata information to Wikidata. As you said it was classified as unreliable and both, the Wikipedia and the Wikidata community, agreed on not importing it automatically. KasparBot is only removing the {{Persondata}} from all articles (see request for approval). Apart from this the information were copied to a database which you can access here. It aims to support the user-assisted migration of Persondata to Wikidata. -- T.seppelt (talk) 16:17, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Ah, thank you. That makes more sense. Someone/Something is still putting bad persondata into Wikidata... atleast it appears that way. Bgwhite (talk) 19:11, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

On what evidence are you basing your conclusion that "someone is still putting bad persondata into Wikidata"? --Izno (talk) 22:08, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the links to the articles where the deletion failed. I'll improve the replacement pattern. -- T.seppelt (talk) 16:20, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

As a bot owner, I understand. Ah, the joys.... Bgwhite (talk) 19:11, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

More problem articles. Jack Yellen and John Friest. These happened on the 4th and 3rd, so you may have already fixed the problem. Bgwhite (talk) 21:22, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Four more articles with problems today. Bgwhite (talk) 08:09, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

KasparBot malfunction

Please see this - the presence of a template within Persondata appears to have truncated the portion of the data that was migrated. Thanks - Antepenultimate (talk) 21:42, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

KasparBot screw up

KasparBot has just screwed up big time. DuncanHill (talk) 00:55, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Did the same thing here too. Do we have an "off" switch for this thing? VanIsaac_WS^cont 01:22, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

@Vanisaac, DuncanHill, Antepenultimate, and Bgwhite: I stopped the program in order to finally solve this problem. Thank you all for your feedback, -- T.seppelt (talk) 08:28, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

@Vanisaac, DuncanHill, Antepenultimate, and Bgwhite: I implemented several improvements and started the script again. I didn't notice any mistakes so far. Preceding comments are now also going to be removed. -- T.seppelt (talk) 09:49, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for correcting the problems. Did you test the bot on the pages it made a redirect? That is a serious problem that could cause the bot to permanently stop. Problems I brought up are more of annoyance, that are caught by CheckWiki and fixed. But, fixing 20+ pages is not fun. Bgwhite (talk) 09:54, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Even with the version of the program which was running before I could not simulate that redirects were created. I think that it is caused by the long edit interval of 10 sec. I check now the revisions before editing again. So far I don't have another idea. -- T.seppelt (talk) 09:59, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Yea, it is a weird error. I don't think the edit interval would have anything to do with it. I know AWB does some very screwy things when trying to save an article at the same time the network connection hiccups. It happens very infrequently. Maybe same thing? Bgwhite (talk) 08:56, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Maybe. I wrote the whole library on my own. I am very sure that the program just doesn't know how to turn a page into a redirect. It has to have another origin. Very mysterious though. – T.seppelt (talk) 09:07, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

My theory: KasparBot finds a redirect, takes a copy of the page source, then follows the redirect, then edits that page using the source from the redirect. Result, page becomes a redirect back to itself. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:17, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 14:30, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Persondata

Hi. Nice work in starting with this. Just out of interest, do you have any figures of how many articles are left to be done and timescales for the completion of this task? Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 08:52, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: Hi, please have a look on [3]. I made a rudimentary estimate. Apparently it's going to take a while. -- T.seppelt (talk) 11:21, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Wow! Thank you. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 12:01, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

• Please excuse my ignorance, but could you please explain in layman's terms, the whats and whys for the KasparBot work on "migrating Persondata to Wikidata, please help, see challenges for this article." I see this on a number of pages I edit. Is there an action I need to take? Thanks for your help. Buncoshark 19:57, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

  @Bunco man: please have a look at Wikipedia:Persondata#FAQ. Contact me if you have further questions. -- T.seppelt (talk) 09:44, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

what are challenges basically about?

I see there are challenges for the Valerie Solanas and Mary Daly articles, I looked at the Valerie Solanas challenges and the Mary Daly challenges, and tried out various links and buttons (but not the Authorize Kaspar or Decide Now links) (while it said to log in I was already logged in) but I have no idea what you are challenging or to what end, so I have no idea whether anyone is to respond or how. Is there a specification or at least a tutorial for what this process is about? Nick Levinson (talk) 03:58, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nick Levinson: Wikipedia:Persondata#Migration to Wikidata is the point. WP:Persondata was deprecated in favor of Wikidata and so we are importing the Persondata information to Wikidata. However, we do not know if all the information is correct, so it is a semi-automated import. Each "challenge" is a case where a human can decide whether to import a certain datum from Persondata (that was removed by the bot edit) to Wikidata. Further details on the process can be found at the first link. If you have other specific questions, let either me or TS know. --Izno (talk) 17:43, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

What is "authorization" all about?

The big green button asking users to "Authorize Kaspar" does not explain what it means exactly to do so. Can you expand and clarify exactly what the result of pressing that button is? Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 22:03, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

The green button initiates OAuth on Wikidata; the following message pops up:

Hi USERNAME,

In order to complete your request, Kaspar needs permission to perform the following actions on your behalf on all projects of this site:

Interact with pages

Edit existing pages.

You are also provided a link to the WMF privacy policy, an interactive button in green which says "Allow", and a button in white which says "Cancel". Those buttons should be fairly obvious. --Izno (talk) 22:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

You misunderstand my question. I am not asking what the green button does, I am asking what "authorization" does? What are the definitions of the following terms from that dialog box?

1. "Kaspar" -- What exactly is Kaspar? this is not actually defined in text anywhere that I can find.
2. "perform the following actions" -- What actions? This statement is not followed by any list.Edit existing pages? What pages? What edits?
3. "on your behalf" -- Does this mean my name will be attached to actions that I will have no knowledge of or control over?
4. "all projects of this site" -- What projects? What site? Will this list (whatever it is) grow and if so will I be notified? Again none of this information is specified.

I am quite sure this is all very innocent but the fact is you are asking for my imprimatur for something that you have not taken any effort to identify or explain. Perhaps it is all perfectly clear to you since you are in the middle of the project but you have left me and others completely in the dark. Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 22:40, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Please review WP:OAuth and specifically mediawikiwiki:Help:OAuth, because your questions seem to be borne out of some concern for your privacy.

1. Kaspar is an online UI, specifically the persondata import in this case. Please review WP:Persondata.
2. Edit the Wikidata pages associated with various en.wp pages which have challenges.
3. You will have knowledge of the specific actions. See above link to persondata import. See also extension page on Mediawiki wiki linked above.
4. Wikidata.

Do you have any other questions? --Izno (talk) 00:27, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Izno for the information. Today we live in a world where phone apps ask for permission and "blackhat" hackers try to use such permissions to compromise personal data. Of course I realize that a WP project is not a blackhat operation, but reality is that many of us have become (overly?) sensitive to being asked for permissions.

A large part of my occupation involves effective communication and frankly the amount of information provided by the Kaspar project is extremely minimalist. It sets up a level of concern because of what it is not saying. One day out of nowhere a bot comes into a page I edit and removes content, leaving behind a message that says "Go here to find out why", only when I go "here" all I get is pretty screen and a message that effectively says: "Please give us permission to use you to do something which we are not really going to explain or even give you a decent link to an explanation of." The oAuth program is not the "Kaspar" program and providing me a link to oAuth is not helpful in this case. Kaspar needs to invest a small amount of time to provide a much clearer explanation of what it will do with these "permissions", and it needs to provide that information right up front on the same page as the big green button (or at least an easily visible link to such information. For that matter Kaspar also needs to provide some additional help screens and/or tooltips for the actual process pages. It is inappropriate to create a complex project such as this and then provide minimalist user assistance and guidance. The coding work is not done until the documentation is written in a user friendly style. Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 00:59, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

I understand your concern, which is why I answered your questions :).

Your suggestions are welcome for improvement at WP:Persondata, which is the location I believe TS would prefer to store any help documentation not specific to a particular page in the tool. That said, most of the documentation arises in the context of each of the challenges where you would expect to need it. E.g., each of the buttons provides a hover tooltip; each page provides links to the properties you will be importing to Wikidata, and the help pages on Wikidata for those particular properties.

I might disagree that it is rough, but I have been working with TS for a bit now, and if you see specific cases where a bit of improvement could be made (and provide suggested remedies), feel free to make the suggestion and I'm sure he'll work with you. --Izno (talk) 01:30, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

@Izno and Koala Tea Of Mercy: For me the ideal solution would be to create a FAQ at Wikipedia:Persondata. When I find time I will start to collect questions. At the moment I'm quite busy with non-wiki activities. (Izno: Thank you very much for answering requests on my talk page. I really appreciate your help!) -- T.seppelt (talk) 18:24, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

T.seppelt that sounds like a winning idea. Just be sure to add something on the page with the big green button when it's ready. Ping me if you want an objective review/assist for clarity (I know how hard it can be to "forget what you know" when writing such documentation). Another thing that would be helpful is I do not see any way to go to the search function on Kaspar even though I know it exists since you use it in your edit summary links. Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 19:53, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

@Koala Tea Of Mercy and Izno: I started an FAQ at Wikipedia:Persondata#FAQ. What do you think about it? Please extend it when you feel like it. -- T.seppelt (talk) 15:31, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Challenge pages return 404 errors

Right now all the "challenge" pages return 404 errors (e.g. [4] and [5]). Maybe this is a temporary glitch. Maybe there's a bigger problem. You might want to halt the bot until you get it resolved. Rupert Clayton (talk) 00:27, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

This is a problem with Labs. See WP:VPT. --Izno (talk) 01:36, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes. It should work again. --T.seppelt (talk) 06:08, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Raised an AN/I that you might be interested in

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Persondata template removal. I am assuming that manually removing the Persondata affects the transfer of information to WikiData, so mass reversion would be warranted/necessary? —Xezbeth (talk) 10:14, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know, Xezbeth. As I said mass revision is not necessary at all. Warm regards, --T.seppelt (talk) 11:12, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Lorik Cana

Hello, I'm Albanian like Lorik Cana and I saw your recent edit at his article and yes I want to help you. Tell me what should I do here, should I click "Authorize Kaspar" is this good? Thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 12:40, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

@Eni.Sukthi.Durres: Hi, yes. "Authorize Kaspar" is good. Just click on the button and follow the steps. Feel free to contact me if you have further questions. Warm regards, -- T.seppelt (talk) 12:42, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Ah and apparently there are now open challenges for Lorik Cana. Everything is done for this article. But you can help with other challenges. See [6], [7], [8] or [9]. -- T.seppelt (talk) 12:43, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Done, thank you and I wish you good work here. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 12:51, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Sorry but I'm not intereted at other articles, I work for my compatriots such as Lorik Cana. Thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 12:52, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

You are welcome. As you like. -- T.seppelt (talk) 12:56, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Personal data and Michael Everson

That's me. I'm quite curious. Who decided that I'm an "American linguist"? I was born in America. Lived there till I was 26. That was 26 years ago. Am I not an "Irish linguist"? Who can tell? Who decides? I write to you because you moved that data from the page to WikiData. -- Evertype·✆ 16:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

First Michael, person-data to wikidata moves are part of a semi-automated process. T.seppelt is the key person programming the automation (Kaspar's tool) but the move of person-data from your article was not a personal or biased action by him/her.

Second, as for the national designation it is fairly simple: MOS:BLPLEAD states Context (location or nationality); In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable. According to the sources used in your WP article you did not attain Wikipedia's definition of notability until after 1989 so the most correct designation for Wikipedia would be "Irish linguist" due to your country of permanent residence after that date. However since you hold dual citizenship I think it could also be legitimate to identify you as an "American/Irish linguist" if you prefer. The information on Wikidata can be edited much as it can be on Wikipedia. Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 16:43, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

I have long known that the Koala Tea of Mercy is not Strained. American/Irish or American-Irish would be better than American alone. -- Evertype·✆ 22:14, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Feel free to edit Q285609. See Help:Descriptions for help. -- T.seppelt (talk) 06:53, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Victor H. Mair's birthplace

On migrating Victor H. Mair's persondata to Wikidata this person's birthplace (mentioned in the infobox and another time in the article) got lost. Could you fix this? Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 00:27, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I have managed to add it to d:Q7925964 myself, though I was unable to add the source. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 21:49, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

@LiliCharlie: the birthplace was not stored in the Persondata template. This is way it wasn't copied into the tool. See Help:Sources for the sources. -- T.seppelt (talk) 14:50, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Aliases and descriptions

Descriptions currently allow 'editing' of the description before import. Would it be possible to get the same for aliases? The root of the problem is that several aliases (otherwise legitimate) have a phrase like "(given name)" stuffed in the middle e.g. "Tom (given name) Burtal". Alternatively, modifying any aliases in the database to strip the parenthetical content might also do the trick for me. --Izno (talk) 12:46, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

@Izno: I decided to remove the parenthetical content instead of setting up a new model for editing aliases. I edited 14,212 challenges. Likewise I removed dots from the end of a couple of hundred descriptions. Thank you for the idea. -- T.seppelt (talk) 14:11, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Kasparbot's process assumes too much Wikidata experience

If Kasparbot is intended to ask users to decide the correctness of data, it doesn't do a good job for users who, though they may have good understanding of a knowledge domain, don't have experience with Wikidata. As someone who's been editing here for over eight years, I was confused by my first sight of Challenges to Richard Asher. Here are my impressions:

1. The idea of a "challenge" isn't explained. It's left to the user to infer what is happening. At least the basic purpose could be better explained on the Challenges page, e.g. "We're trying to migrate data from persondata to Wikidata, but we found a conflict between the current version of the article and the persondata. Can you help decide which is correct?" Remember the user may have just clicked on an edit summary that says "see challenges for this article". That's the only context they have. Why not link to Persondata: Migration to Wikidata and the FAQ?
2. The Challenges user interface is non-intuitive. It seems to require more understanding of Wikidata than a successful Wikipedia editor would necessarily have. If it is intended for use by non-Wikidata experts it should be more task-based. "Decide" isn't obviously the response to "challenge", particularly for a non-native English speaker. Better pairs might be: challenge vs resolve, choices vs decide etc.
3. The user is required to log in to Wikidata, even if they are already logged in via SUL and have a Wikidata tab open in their browser. This extra login seems bizarre at least to begin with. To be asking SUL users to re-enter their credentials opens a potential route for phishing. I suppose you are seeking explicit authority for Kasparbot's change, but you don't make this clear. Anyway, there must be a better way to achieve the same end.
4. The UI for deciding a challenge is unnecessarily complex, given that the scenario is basically "article says X, persondata says Y, do you know which is correct?"
5. Having confirmed a decision, Kasparbot then moves on to another challenge, with which the user has no connection. The message I saw was Your decision to reject the information was successfully processed. There are 325,741 to go. There is no button to say you have finished and wish to disconnect Kasparbot from using your credentials to modify Wikidata. If you press the 'Skip It!' button there is a >5 second delay before a new challenge is presented with the message You skipped one challenge. There are stil [sic] 325,741 to go. The new challenge is entirely unrelated to the previous one. What's the purpose of that?

I propose that this bot be reviewed by the sort of users who are expected to make these decisions, to determine whether it is fit for purpose. Comments are welcome, but please reflect before replying to say that the users should have read a load of help or OAuth pages, as suggested in the What is "authorization" all about? section above. - Pointillist (talk) 22:41, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

@Pointillist: I'm going to number your bullets for ease of response, since I suspect I'm being implicated in that last comment, and have thoughts of my own on the others.

1. I agree that the edit summary could link to WP:Persondata (I assume this is what you mean). We should talk about what links to replace in the edit summary, since edit summaries can be only so large. Do you have a proposal? The FAQ is "new" in that it didn't exist before the removals started, so that's probably why it hasn't previously been linked.

   On an aside, the FAQ is linked also in the Kaspar UI in the Persondata dropdown at the top of the page. Do you think this can or should be moved to be more prevalent?

2. I would tend to agree that "resolve" would be a better word than "decide". Do you have any other suggested UI changes based on wording?
3. You shouldn't be logging in to Wikidata separately--and if you are, there may be something else wrong. Can you describe exactly what you mean by this bullet, or provide the exact series of steps that you are taking regarding this item?
4. Do you have a suggested improvement? Each of the options on the UI has been asked for by someone or another (myself included), so each of them has some reason for existing.

5. I made a suggestion regarding this at #Challenge with Terry Goodkind ("Other feedback") which I think would partially help or in fact actually help with this request. What do you think?

   Regarding logging out, leaving the browser session will do so, but I don't personally know whether there is a way to use the API to say "I want to withdraw my permission". T.seppelt?

   Regarding the lag between two challenges, see comments at d:User talk:T.seppelt#Extremely slow interface for challenges. I've since added this at WP:Persondata#FAQ.

In general, TS has been responsive (and agreeable) to requests which aren't contradictory to previous requests. My comments regarding OAuth above should be regarded as supplementary information, since the point is to educate rather than drown people with questions like yours. --Izno (talk) 15:04, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I believe it would be better to do some more user research before discussing how to change the user experience. I'm not sure how that research could best be achieved. The key thing is to survey users' first-time experience with Kasparbot. If you've used it even a handful of times it's hard to spot the sort of issues I was describing, because they are mostly resolved by knowledge you acquire later in the process. One approach would be to ask the organizers of upcoming wiki meetups whether they would like to to watch first-timers going through the steps and then document any issues they find. I will take a second look at the SUL login discrepancy – perhaps I have my browser configured more securely than the bot expects – but perhaps not for a few days as the working week is about to start. - Pointillist (talk) 21:37, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

I think we should just go with making certain adjustments. Make a suggestion, we'll see if it works. --Izno (talk) 14:37, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response. (Thank you, Izno, again for answering requests at my talk page!). I agree with him. I am willing to implement all improvements which find consensus. Feel free to propose something. I am going to work on redirecting the user to a more related challenge right now. About logging out: You can manage your OAuth grants at d:Special:OAuthManageMyGrants. There you can withdraw your permission. Warm regards, -- T.seppelt (talk) 16:49, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

@Izno and Pointillist: If you access the deciding pages from challenges.php (standard way for most users which see the edit summary of the bot) you will be redirected to all challenges related to the current article before you see anything unrelated. You even get a message after all challenges for one article are resolved. Try it with any article and let me know if something goes wrong. -- T.seppelt (talk) 17:21, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Removing Persondata

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Removing Persondata. nyuszika7h (talk) 11:53, 13 March 2016 (UTC)Template:Z48

Thank you -- T.seppelt (talk) 13:06, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

BOT missing HTML comments

Hi,

In this edit, your bot missed the HTML comment <!-- Metadata: see [[Wikipedia:Persondata]] -->. If you haven't already done so, please will you adjust its code, so that it removes instances of that comment. Also, please consider whether its past edits need to be revisited. Cheers, Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:24, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: This should be fixed. If you come across more recent cases leave me a note and I'll have another look at the code. Cheers, -- T.seppelt (talk) 16:50, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for the change in the UI, moving to "the next challenge for this item" rather than "a random challenge of the same type". It reflects the normal workflow and I was intending to request it.

However, I'm not sure what "ulteriorly import it" means. Perhaps it should be "withdraw it from consideration"? David Brooks (talk) 00:57, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm going to take credit where credit is due for suggesting that one. ;D --Izno (talk) 11:11, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Consider yourself awarded a barn-asteroid :-) David Brooks (talk) 17:43, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Damn. I really wanted to be the first replying this time ;D ulteriorly import means that the bot noticed that the information already exist in Wikidata. Just "import" would be for most cases probably enough..--T.seppelt (talk) 18:44, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

That's not what I see. I meant challenges like this (taken from the bot's most recent batch), which is the un-accented version of the name (Rene) that was presumably put there by RjwilmsiBot. The René Corbet wikidata entry, correctly, does not have that as an alias. By "the bot noticed that the information already exist in Wikidata", do you mean that it noticed the information exists, but with diacritics restored? If so, I still think "withdrawn" would be a better tag for that circumstance. David Brooks (talk) 20:52, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

In this case the entity had this alias. Not as an alias but as label. In this process labels are treated as aliases because an additional section of challenges would have been unnecessary and work-consuming. I'd like to keep this decision for this cases because we are just marking them as already existing (not identically but redundant from a technical point of view). -- T.seppelt (talk) 08:19, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I still don't understand. Are you saying that Rene Corbet is a label for the Wikidata item René Corbet? The word Rene doesn't appear anywhere in the item. Is the default sort key somewhere implied? David Brooks (talk) 19:36, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Okay. Now I get why we are talking at cross-purposes. You are right. Q872535 doesn't have an alias/label without diacritics. I decided to mark challenges which represent diacritic free versions of existing aliases/labels as already existing (green) and not as excluded from the migration (blue). I used EXCLUDED also for places which were in fact disambiguation pages. This decision should mean something like this value could be useful but problems occurred at some point during the process. It is worth taking another look at it. Whereas already existing means this challenge is resolved. Nobody has to work on it anymore. It is just a matter of definition. The most important point is that those challenges don't appear any more for the users. -- T.seppelt (talk) 07:57, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

John G. (Jack) Samson

Your bot added an authority tag to a hoax article called John G. (Jack) Samson. An experienced user called Bearcat even edited it. I have a feeling like if we IPs were given more powers (the buttons) we could handle a couple of things better than some admins or patrols, :-) including soundly making the distinction between real vandals wandering around as respected users (want names?) and people unjustly called so. Take care. --176.239.115.13 (talk) 07:22, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

I don't really get what I should take out of your message. On John G. (Jack) Samson KasparBot (my bot) worked completely fine. Please be more specific if you want me to do anything. -- T.seppelt (talk) 08:00, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Your boat confused an SPA fisherman who wrote his own article with a real writer (same name) who doesn't have an article here. --176.239.115.13 (talk) 08:02, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

The only thing I've ever done to the article is tag it for lacking categories, using a software tool that doesn't offer users any way to actually evaluate or hoax-test the article's content. So whatever the issue is here, it has nothing to do with me. But, for the record, the authority control template is listing books about fly fishery which were written by this Jack Samson — it does look like VIAF may have erroneously conflated two different writers with the same name, but that's their error and not ours. And the article was created about four or five days after this Jack Samson's death, so it's rather unlikely that he wrote the article himself. Bearcat (talk) 18:11, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Authority control in es.Wikipedia

Hi,

In case you missed it, the Spanish Wikipedia now has es:Plantilla:Control de autoridades. It is pulling data from Wikidata. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:30, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. Why are local overwrites stil enabled? I imagined this situation when the template is newly introduced to be ideal for only relying on Wikidata. I can help with inserting the template to pages with AC information on Wikidata of course. --T.seppelt (talk) 13:44, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

I wasn't involved in its (re-)creation there, so have no idea (though I note that the template works on user pages, if that's relevant). I'm sure your help with deployment would be appreciated. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:34, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Okay. I will get in touch with the Spanish community. Thank you anyways, – T.seppelt (talk) 18:01, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

add GND=1071097091 (local definition, intending to report also to Kasparbot talk)

That heading is my edit summary a few minutes ago [10] at David Dietz.

There is a page where discrepancies uncovered by Kasparbot are discussed. I don't recall it, and don't quickly find it because my Watchlist is too big. That may be for {{Persondata}} migration only, where this concerns {{Authority control}} migration.

The problem is [1] that DNB has two Person pages for this writer of which Wikidata gives only the not-very-useful http://d-nb.info/gnd/127548319; compare http://d-nb.info/gnd/1071097091 now to the biography footer by my local definition. And [2] I don't know how to manage this at Wikidata. (I do know how to report errors to DNB, but this may not be considered an error and I need to learn the other.)

During 2015, I somewhere asked or remarked about Wikidata rank (eg, add GND=1071097091 and prefer it, or deprecate GND=127548319). I did not learn what is proposed (may now be a guideline). I would not delete GND=127548319 and not happily deprecate it because, for example, cs.wikipedia may prefer the other page at DNB, for the catalogue record that it links [11].

For the moment let me try you alone, as it is too late for me. Later perhaps I will think what may be appropriate to say at Authority control template talk. Good night. --P64 (talk) 01:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@P64: Please have a look at my edits on the article and the item. It should be fine like this. At the moment we don't have a cswiki article, and maybe until we have one DNB merged the two entries. Warm regards, -- T.seppelt (talk) 08:05, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I will now use Wikidata preference/deprecation for this infrequent purpose. --P64 (talk) 15:09, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

correcting the birth date of a living person

I don't know how to correct the birth date of an actual living person. Louis Ferreira is listed on Wikipedia as having been born on February 20, 1967; however, an interview (posted both as audio and transcript) with the actor on his personal website at http://www.louisferreira.org/Ferreira_Fest_74.html reveals that he celebrated his 50th birthday this year, which would place his birth date on February 20, 1966. Since this goes into the "persondata" field I assume it's a little more complicated than just making the change and providing a reference. I went to the KasparBot page and I really don't understand any of it. Could you please point me in the right direction on how to correct this mistake? Thanks!!Bczogalla (talk) 18:25, 27 March 2016 (UTC)