Talk:Nazi Germany

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^Request: Removal/Alteration of inappropriate material

The fact that the Nazi anthem is included - indeed featured - so prominently in this article is a concern. There are plenty of instances of countries, no longer extant, whos anthem is NOT featured at all. So why is this anthem featured? If it must be in the article it should not feature so prominently. As to the Horst Wessel, why is that there at all? It wasn't the anthem. It certainly has no place in the info box nor, really, in the article itself. I'd like to request the removal and/or less prominent featuring of these (to many) offensive items from the article. Failing that they should be featured less prominently. 213.114.9.93 (talk) 11:42, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Both were declared to be national anthem's of the regime. Also, Wikipedia is not censored. Kierzek (talk) 13:49, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Inclusion of "positive" legacy?

First, I must make this clear: I in no way seek to endorse or act as an apologist for Nazi Germany, and I absolutely know that the vast proportion of its legacy is wholly negative, or is only positive in the respect of its frequent use as a historical warning or for the changes to international law which resulted as a consequence of its atrocities. However, as an objective encyclopedia, we shouldn't ignore the fact that there were some noteworthy positive achievements by the state which still remain - which are currently not included in the "legacy" subheading. I honestly don't know if there is much more than this, but the two most significant that I can think of are the autobahns and Volkswagen. I am personally quite pleased at the generally factual nature of this article (it mentions bad things and good things - suprising considering the subject matter) and I believe that this should also apply to the legacy section. Please, feel free to consider and/or comment on my suggestion; I'm all open for questions and criticism. I just feel like getting the ball rolling here. Regards Aardwolf A380 (talk) 09:20, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

In order to do this we would need sources that discuss Nazi contributions as positive. We can't make that judgement ourselves – that would be original research. — Diannaa (talk) 15:04, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I don't necessarily mean to explicitly state such legacies as "positive" - I was using this term to contrast with the content already included in the legacy section. The section could very well be altered without including such phrases, for instance by including a mention of "surviving physical legacy", which may include anything from surviving buildings to companies. However, I do accept that if a distinction between "positive" and "negative" is to be included in this case, citations would certainly be necessary - Aardwolf A380 (talk) 00:16, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Unless there's some kind of positive-legacy-implying commentary from reliable sources regarding Autobahnen or Volkswagen, there's no point mentioning them again in the Legacy section. Both things are already mentioned higher up in the article. -- — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 00:51, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Diannaa, I'll see what I'll do Aardwolf A380 (talk) 06:41, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Not a bad idea, if we can get the sources. Nazi Germany has some decent legacy in the field of technology.

• Its Heinkel He 176 (1939) was the world's first aircraft to be propelled solely by a liquid-fuelled rocket, and though commercially unsuccessful was a breakthrough in aviation.
• Heinkel He 178 (1939) was the first practical jet aircraft and led to further developments.
• The Messerschmitt Me 262 (1944) was the world's first operational jet-powered fighter aircraft, and the template for later aircraft such as the North American F-86 Sabre and the Boeing B-47 Stratojet.
• The V-1 flying bomb (1944) was the first production aircraft of any type to use a pulsejet for power, and proved an influential (and copied) design for cruise missiles. Previous attempts for cruise missiles were mostly failures.
• The V-2 rocket (1944) was the first long-range guided ballistic missile. It was also the first artificial object to cross the boundary of space. It served as a template for later rockets, both military and space rockets. It is considered a key influence on manned space exploration.
• The Z1 computer (1938) was the first freely programmable computer in the world which used Boolean logic and binary floating point numbers. Partly the template for later developments, though not particularly reliable itself.
• The Z3 computer (1941) was an early electromechanical computer. It was the first working programmable, fully automatic digital computer.

While very dated today, its technological creations have had a great effect on 20th century technology. Dimadick (talk) 16:55, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

This has come up before..

• Lots here about ... "The Legacy of Nazi Medicine" - "Rockets" etc......Kristie Macrakis (1993). Surviving the Swastika: Scientific Research in Nazi Germany. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0-19-507010-1.
• Germany was the first nation on earth to ban vivisection and cruel animal - lots of sources at Animal welfare in Nazi Germany.
• Nazi Germany huge public welfare system are still influencing the world today. Richard Bessel (1996). Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany: Comparisons and Contrasts. Cambridge University Press. p. 98. ISBN 978-0-521-47711-6.
• Freeway systems were studied and then implemented in north America...then the world. Kevin Starr (1997). Endangered Dreams: The Great Depression in California. Oxford University Press. p. 322. ISBN 978-0-19-992356-4.

-- Moxy (talk) 17:45, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

POW section

I do not fully understand the relevance of the two statements below to the section "Mistreatment of Soviet POWs":

• The Soviet Union lost 27 million people during the war; less than nine million of these were combat deaths. One in four of the population were killed or wounded.

References

I think this section should contain more information on the fate of the POWs, rather than general statements as above. I could provide a few sentences, or other editors could as well. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:32, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Request edit?

Under the background sub-title, there's an error. " After the federal election of 1932, the Nazis were the largest party in the Reichstag, holding 230 seats with 37.4 per cent of the popular vote.[13] " Shouldn't it be percent, not per cent. Please fix this. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathalieomg (talk • contribs) 04:45, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

It is not really an error but it is unusual. If you look at Percentage#Word_and_symbol you will see that it says that "per cent" is sometimes used in British English. I am British and I can confirm that this is not normally done these days. When writing it would never occur to me to add the extra space but, if I was to read text with the extra space already in it, I doubt that I would notice it as an oddity unless I was intentionally proofreading. Anyway, I agree that it should be changed. Anything that distracts some readers from what the text actually says is not desirable and it is nice to see an edit request that isn't going to turn into some big argument about ideology or history. There are 25 occurrences of "per cent" in the article. None seem to be used in direct quotation of another source so I'll change them all. --DanielRigal (talk) 13:34, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Was it Nazi Germany of Fascist Germany?

I don't really understand how can a country be nazi and fascist at the same time? It's very different theories, but still some people say "Nazi Germany", others say "Fascist Germany". I found this picture and it shows that those ideologies are indeed very different. How can something or someone be fascist and nazi at the same time? Spvms (talk) 17:17, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

observers then and scholars today group them together. See Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany: The 'Fascist' Style of Rule (1995) by Alexander J. De Grand. Wiki follows these relaible secondary sources. Rjensen (talk) 17:24, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Why does it say in the article that "Under Hitler's rule, Germany was transformed into a fascist totalitarian state which controlled nearly all aspects of life. " I'm pretty sure it was national-socialist totalitarian state, not fascist, even the name of the article is "Nazi Germany" Spvms (talk) 19:13, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Move to Change Title

Nicknames are forbidden under Wiki Law. Move to change title to something academic. 2001:558:6012:5A:565:ABEA:FCDE:5BBD (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2016 (UTC)