User talk:MSGJ/2016

Nishant

In 2010 you fully-protected this page.

Please consider reducing the protection to pending-changes or semi-protection (or both) and putting an expiration date on it (I suggest 1 year - if there is no attempted abuse during that time then let it expire). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:15, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

I couldn't see exactly why this page was protected, although it has been deleted multiple times before. So I reduced to semi protection. Best regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:29, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Liam Payne

There have been reverts, including this month. Renew PC? --George Ho (talk) 05:04, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Renewed for 6 months, it seems to be working. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:22, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978-present)

Hello! Under MOS:DASH, I believe Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978-present) should actually be at Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present). I would move the article there myself, but... Anyway, as the admin who move-protected the article I thought I'd let you know... Thanks! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 08:51, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

I see you couldn't wait for my reply and asked somewhere else. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:24, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Template:US patent reference - Espacenet database problem. Can you help?

I made some recent edits to an inventor's page and tried to use the template Template:US patent reference. On doing so, it created a URL for the Espacenet database, but it appears that the patent is not in there. Specifically, it's a 1937 patent that appears in Google's database, but searches for the patent number come up blank just like the URL from the template. For now I'm using both the template with the bad URL and the Google URL as a separate reference.

In the template's talk page, there is a discussion between you and User:Cxw way back in 2010, but since she/he is on hiatus I'm hoping you can direct me towards someone who can help.

Do you know who could give me advice on this? Assuming there's no way to fix the database, what template should I use?

Thanks in advance, KNHaw ^(talk) 23:06, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

You dope!

	You dope, I sent a POTSTICKER!
	Thank you for editing the page (should be marijuana dispensary) cannabis dispensary. Potguru (talk) 16:40, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Ism schism edit warring

Hi, I see you have dealt with User:Ism schism before, who seems to have an extensive history with edit warring (and block log to match). The user is adding one-sided biased material to controversial articles (that often are under 1RR) like Bashar al-Assad and Sectarianism and minorities in the Syrian Civil War, deleting huge chunks of referenced material that they apparently disagree with, making accusatory edit summaries, and making reference to non-existent talk page discussions to justify their edits. I really don't want to deal with this as I am hardly active on Wikipedia anymore, but this is becoming an issue as they are spreading their pattern of dogmatic edit warring to more and more articles. Nulla Taciti (talk) 15:46, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any major problems. It doesn't look like 1RR has been breached. He/she has been contributing to some discussion on talk pages, but I can't see that you are engaging in any discussion - your last edit to the talk namespace was June 2015. I suggest you start posting on the article talk pages and work this out with him/her. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:30, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Draft:America: Imagine the World Without Her

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Template talk:Short pages monitor

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Talkpage

Hi MSGJ. Thanks for the note. I'll happily stay away from the user's talkpage concerned (I guess a self-imposed IBAN). Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 09:48, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

How about undertaking not to call editors trolls when you disagree with them? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:15, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

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Template:Cleanup section

Hi, I thought the norm was to have them as a banner, not a small container.
Such as the following:
Template:Refimprove section
Template:Advert section
Template:Weasel section
Template:Rewrite section
Template:BLP sources section
Template:Fringe-section
Template:Importance-section
Template:Summarize section
Template:Specific-section
Template:Repetition section
Template:POV-title-section

I found some that are similar to the current state of the cleanup template, but there's easily a smaller amount:
Template:Expand section
Template:Empty section
Template:News release section

There are more for both sections, I assume. As you can see there are a lot more with banners than small box-like designs. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:15, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

I agree that consistency would be good, and it might be an idea to gauge consensus on which design is preferred. For background, the small design arose after a long discussion (see Template talk:Expand section/Archive 1#More subtle style) but this was quite a long time ago and a revisit might be in order. Perhaps a first step might be some further research into how many of each type are used. I'll see what I can come up with. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:23, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Would it be against the rules to be bold and just change them all? Or is consensus required; if so, where would the discussion be placed? Anarchyte (work | talk) 00:54, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

No, please don't be bold, there has been a lot of debate on this over the years, and you would annoy a lot of people. Check out the talk pages for each of the templates that you list above, and also those of their non-section versions; in several cases there are threads on this exact matter, sometimes two or more - one asking to make it small, another asking to make it big. Check the archives too, such as Template talk:Unreferenced/Archive 12. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:29, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

I've created a tracking category Category:Articles using small message boxes to see how many articles are using these small boxes. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:53, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Followup

@MSGJ and Redrose64: I've created a discussion at the Village pump here. Anarchyte (work | talk) 10:20, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

I'll make a comment shortly — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:03, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Redirect categorization

Hi Martin! You've been interested in redirect categorization and the This is a redirect template in the past, so I wanted to let you know that there is a discussion at Template talk:This is a redirect#One parameter that might interest you.  Good faith! Paine  20:55, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

A situation

Hello. At Shooting of Samuel DuBose, I am in a 2-editor dispute where the other party refuses to leave his edit out until consensus is reached for it. The article has very low activity, and I'm not optimistic about getting more participation in the discussion, at least anytime soon. I believe the content may be a WP:BDP issue, given that the person died 7 months ago and a murder trial is pending. Regardless, I think status quo ante should be restored here, but I can't do that without continuing the edit warring. Please help. ―Mandruss ☎ 03:13, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks so much for ignoring my request for assistance. I won't call on you again.
The other editor's edits have been reverted by one of the two other editors (not admins) I called on. For over 19 hours the article contained material that, depending on which editor you ask, violated one or more of BDP, BLPPRIMARY, BLPCRIME, NOR, and WEIGHT/NPOV. It could easily have been longer, if they hadn't been so quick to respond, or if the matter had remained under discussion for awhile with the disputed edits in place.
This is why the concept of status quo ante is so important. Disputed edits should stay out until consensus is reached for them, and an admin should be willing to intervene to make that happen. If that principle can be abused in bad faith, too bad. The solution to that is not to avoid the principle but to stop showing so much tolerance for the people who abuse things in bad faith. ―Mandruss ☎ 23:07, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Not ignoring, just too busy to look into it. I'll take a look today! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:50, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks?

I would thank you for protecting the template; however, it seems an unrequired reaction given that there's consensus on the edit and hence no further editing is needed on the template in question. So, other than a bit of power here and there, I see no need for it. Alex|The|Whovian^? 15:26, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Just an FYI

I altered one of your comments on AN/Talk to move my username to where my opinion positions it. I wouldnt normally do it, but just wanted it made clear since my sarcasm may have been a bit too obtuse before. Regards. Only in death does duty end (talk) 14:13, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I suspected that is what you meant, but it was not quite clear enough to make the call ;) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:23, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Magioladitis

Please see a section I have recently created at User talk:Magioladitis. — Carl (CBM · talk) 14:59, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I took a look. Next time someone should probably block and take it to Arbcom. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:01, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

OK. WP:CITE and WP:COSMETIC are not the same argument. WP:CITE is not covered by AWB's rules of use right now. Moreover, I do not like Carl's tactic to isolate a few edits from the general editing pattern. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:23, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

I fixed almost 3,000 pages with duplicated references. In how many pages I used two runs? 30? OK. Big deal. And yes Carl was wrong. He did not even check the pages he has in his own watchlist for errors. He did not even bother to see what I tried to do. His complain was invalid because my edit was not against WP:CITE. So the main argument of the complain was just wrong.

Here it took 7 edits to clean the page completely. (It's an extreme example) Yeah I could do better. I wonder if some people think this is a valid argument to complain/block/ban. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:33, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

And no I am not judging Carl for not fixing the obvious duplicated reflist error. I judge the tactic to complain for me not fixing it within a specific time frame. I have some paages in my list I would like to fix from several errors. This duplicated content was there for 2 years. I completely removed it 11 hours after I first visited the page. Is this something I have to be punished for? I was not quick enough? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:37, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, we all know how block-button happy MSGJ is, so I wouldn't be surprised. Cassianto^Talk 13:39, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 2 March

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User:Mr. Granger, can you help with this error please? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:58, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry about that. I forgot the archivedate parameter in one template. To fix it, please change {{cite news |url=http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=125429 |title='Pause for Cause' Picks Creative Contest Winners |publisher=MediaPost |date=5 April 2010 |accessdate=5 May 2010 |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20100407091119/http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=125429}} to {{cite news |url=http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=125429 |title='Pause for Cause' Picks Creative Contest Winners |publisher=MediaPost |date=5 April 2010 |accessdate=5 May 2010 |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20100407091119/http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=125429 |archivedate=2010-04-07}} —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:09, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:19, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

College football / soccer football biography infobox

Hi. Earlier today you kindly copied over the contents of Template:Infobox_football_biography/college to Template:Infobox_football_biography. Unfortunately, there were two missing "{" characters in the code. I have updated the /college template. Please could you copy over the contents again? Sorry about that. TheBigJagielka (talk) 22:01, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

@TheBigJagielka:  Done. Next time just raise an {{editprotected}} as it would get the fix applied more quickly than waiting for me to come back online! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:38, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Time Person of the Year

Howdy, Administrator MSGJ. I'm not certain if this personal request is out of order. But, would you be willing to monitor the goings on at that article & its talkpage? Sometimes, things can get a tad confusing there :) GoodDay (talk) 15:03, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

I doubt I have the time to do much, but I'll add to my watchlist. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:38, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks :) GoodDay (talk) 11:59, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Ifexist not redirect

I noticed that you protected {{Ifexist not redirect}} under the reason of "Highly visible template: now highly used". For a template only just created, where is it being so highly used now? And does this mean that I can't edit a template that I've created myself? By the way, the documentation ought to be updated with it's modified usage. Alex|The|Whovian^? 21:38, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

I have used it on Template:WikiProject banner shell (915275 transclusions) and Template:WPBannerMeta/comments (4717699 transclusions) so yes I think it probably does need that level of protection, although I understand that may be annoying to you. I'll update the documentation, thanks for the reminder! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:46, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Noinclude on templates

I won't revert your edit to Template:New unreviewed article, but please be aware that consensus notwithstanding, that local consensus goes against the broad consensus of WP:TFD, which says not to use noinclude tags. I understand, however, why this template may be an exception. By the way, your best move would have been to simply close the deletion discussion. Debresser (talk) 20:43, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

We should not be sticklers for rules, but feel free to use our common sense! I haven't looked at the TfD, I'm more concerned with the way that the TfD notice became substituted onto articles at the moment (see [1]) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:49, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

The unusual small line above the template. Not intrusive or confusing. As I said on the talkpage, should not bother anybody, as Fred Gandt agreed with me. But okay. Debresser (talk) 23:43, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes, initially Fred Gandt seemed to agree with your position, but then in futher comments he clearly showed that he did not agree with you ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:15, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Debresser that the text of the transcluded notice is clear and not reasonably confusing, but not that it should be transcluded. I personally don't think that kind of notice belongs in the article space, even though clearly the transclusion of the notice in that manner is by design; at some time there was probably a discussion that led to the functionality, so my opinion runs contrary to implied and perhaps explicit consensus (aww). In this particular case though, the TfD is preposterous (and I don't consider that a matter of opinion) and shouldn't being publicised with clutter on new articles likely by new editors which are already under scrutiny. fredgandt 10:12, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Transclusion of TfD notices to articles is not in itself a problem; it's a good thing, because it raises awareness of the ongoing TfD. What is a problem is if the template that is up for TfD is designed for WP:SUBSTitution, and in such cases, there must be a <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the {{Template for discussion/dated}}. This is covered at WP:TFD#Listing a template, about halfway down box I. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:00, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Importing the form of infoboxes in English Wikipedia to Kabyle Wikipedia

Hi, and sorry for my bad English. I would like to import the general form of infoboxes from English Wikipedia to Kabyle Wikipedia (a Kabyle language version of Wikipedia, with a very small number of active users). I tried to copy the Module:Infobox and Template:Infobox and I succeeded, but the problem is that the Infoboxes appear in the left of the page and not in the right. Could I have some help? Thanks, Issimo 15 (talk) 16:58, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

I think you'll need to copy all the infobox definitions from MediaWiki:Common.css as well. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:53, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Cowtown96

Cowtown96 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - They have reverted me again, and have continued to add seals and change infoboxes to various politician articles, despite my request they propose and discuss these changes first. - ^theWOLFchild 22:35, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chaz Knapp

I'm going to ask that you rewrite your close there. I was the nominator at AFD but I didn't do the move. Legacypac did the move but didn't nominate the page for deletion. Your close implies that this was a coordinated plan between the two of us to have it moved and deleted. I closed the MFD, Legacypac moved it to mainspace an hour later, tagged it and ten hours later, after fixing the screwed-up MFD notice (since it was moved), I then nominated the page for deletion at AFD where it's been taken back. You can argue about moving bad drafts into mainspace but I don't think those are being moved for the express purpose of starting a discussion at AFD to have it deleted there. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:39, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Actually, this is exactly what has happened in the past, e.g. Graffiki was moved into mainspace by Legacypac and then three minutes later was nominated at AfD by him. I'll take another look at Chaz Knapp and look at rewording the closure. I didn't mean to imply you were actively colluding in this regard. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:30, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

As I explained at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Back_on_point, that was the prior case. The two other cases weren't that. I would agree that "moving an article you believe to be unsuitable into mainspace is disruptive" is appropriate, the AFD implication is not. This is all stupidly moot since the userspace page was later deleted by DGG under U5 but given the reverts to my relistings and repeated draggings to ANI over "admin deletionist gameplaying at MFD", I'd prefer to not leave any vague insinuations out there. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:41, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

I've reworded the close, basically using your suggested words above. Hope this is satisfactory. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:34, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Perfect. That's all I ask. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 18:26, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Blindspot (TV series)

It seems as if another user has come along to revert the formatting I implemented a week after the discussion. When they restored the previous reversion, I reverted in good faith with a solid explanation, but they continued to revert under the impression that I have modified comments. I've ceased any further reverts and posted on their talk page with further explanation; I await a reply. However, I think that some sockpuppetry may be involved, as three different but similar IPs have contributed on this particular issue (217.248.20.109, 217.248.0.219, 217.248.22.214). Alex|The|Whovian^? 12:27, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

I wanted to leave this alone, but the bullshit accusation of sockpuppetry is too much. Maybe you should ask for a checkuser? Oh right, that doesn't make sense, because only accounts can sockpuppet. Alex, step back, and don't touch other editor's comments ever again.-217.248.22.214 (talk) 12:36, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Here is the diff in question.-217.248.22.214 (talk) 12:38, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Please remain civil. This is simply an informative message to MSGJ, not a discussion in itself. An official third opinion has also been requested. Alex|The|Whovian^? 12:40, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

No time to look into this now I'm afraid, but I suggest you both find something more productive to do ;) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:56, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

I'd love to.-217.248.10.121 (talk) 10:10, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Ditto. Alex|The|Whovian^? 11:30, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Simple: Stop mucking with my talk page comments, as promised in your unblock request.-217.248.10.121 (talk) 12:05, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

This still isn't a discussion page. Take it elsewhere. Alex|The|Whovian^? 12:10, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Now you think of that?

I looking forward to your response elsewhere then.-217.248.10.121 (talk) 13:04, 30 March 2016 (UTC)