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*Back it at again with those [[WP:Primary sources]] |
*Back it at again with those [[WP:Primary sources]] |
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*77island isn't a high-quality source |
*77island isn't a high-quality source |
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:It has been Björk's official discography website for years, isn't it reliable? |
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*There should be a separate section for commercial/chart performance, that information shouldn't be here. |
*There should be a separate section for commercial/chart performance, that information shouldn't be here. |
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*"Cocoon" was released as the album's third single on 11 March 2002, its music video having premiered in February" practically the same structure as that of the Hidden Place sentence, try altering it. |
*"Cocoon" was released as the album's third single on 11 March 2002, its music video having premiered in February" practically the same structure as that of the Hidden Place sentence, try altering it. |
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* You could mention how each single performed on the charts, like on other album articles. |
* You could mention how each single performed on the charts, like on other album articles. |
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===Critical reception=== |
===Critical reception=== |
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*This section seems rather small for the amount of reviews there are. It can be expanded. |
*This section seems rather small for the amount of reviews there are. It can be expanded. |
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Reviewer: Prism (talk · contribs) 22:11, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Hello Bleff, I will be conducting this review shortly. Good night, Pedro u | t 22:11, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- Great!--Bleff (talk) 18:11, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Bleff, I apologize for the delay, but I will start the review Friday. Pedro u | t 14:03, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- Perfect. Until then, --Bleff (talk) 18:06, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Bleff, I apologize for the delay, but I will start the review Friday. Pedro u | t 14:03, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Background and development
- Cannes Film Festival shouldn't be italicized.
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- The poem is titled "Techno Prayer", as per the book you cited.
- Fixed
- Ref. 3 is dead.
- Fixed
- ", and "everything on 11..f. a lot of steroids in the air": this seems unnecessary and not too interesting or adequate
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- acted → starred
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- " the film was awarded the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival; she received the Best Actress award." the section is heavy on this half-comma-using structure, perhaps exchange it for an 'and'
- Fixed
- Best Original Song can be linked (Academy Award for Best Original Song) and you should mention that the award is for "I've Seen It All"
- Fixed
- I'm not sure you can use Bjork.fr as a reference. I know it's reliable but a fansite is not a high-quality source. You should cite NME directly through Template:Cite journal. This problem extends to other refs.
- Fixed
- I've just read the Sound on Sound ref and it has quite a lot of information, you have an excellent source in your hands (it always was...)
- It is indeed! I wish I had found it before I nominated the article. I'll incorporate more of it.
- "While living in Copenhagen she" → "While living in Copenhagen, she"
- Fixed
- I have never seen "aka" in an article, perhaps extend it to also known as
- Fixed
- "was bored with big beats" → grew tired of "big beats"
- Fixed
- Can't locate the content ref 15 is supporting.
- In the site, "new york experience" links to a mini-site titled "New York Domestika Session", which is dead. Should I remove this content?
- Oh, I found the part that supports that part. You can keep it. Just out of curiosity, though, I can't open that mini-site, it tells me the plugin isn't working.
- The second quote could be paraphrased into something smaller and contained in the previous paragraph.
- Fixed
- "notes that:" → "notes that,"
- Fixed
Composition
- "writes:" → "writes," (This extends to other sections, as a quote should be preceded by a comma)
- Fixed
- Amazon.com isn't a reliable, high-quality source.
- Fixed
- "David Fricke of Rolling Stone wrote: "Vespertine is the closest any pop-vocal album has come to the luxuriant Zen of the new minimalist techno". Sentences like this could be, I think, paraphrased because the section already has a lot of quotes. Try doing it for a few.
- "the heart of the album" how so?
- "In Homogenic Björk usually used one loud beat, but in Vespertine she wanted to make a "microcosmos of thirty or forty beats interacting" This makes it seem like Homogenic is based on one loud beat. Rephrase this.
- I don't think live4now is a reliable source.
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- "Björk has said the song: "is about how two people can create a paradise just by uniting. You've got an emotional location that's mutual. And it's unbreakable. And obviously it's make-believe. So, you could argue that it doesn't exist because it's invisible, but of course it does"." I think this isn't good. For a section on the composition, it's lacking a more analytical characterization of the music. The lyrics are important but the music itself is described in a quite vague manner.
- Some of the smaller paragraphs can be combined with the larger ones, in order.
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Imagery
- YouTube can't be used as a source.
- I'm having a hard time finding a transcript or an official upload of this press conference. Can I cite it without a link with, for example, Template:Cite conference?
- I will have to ask that to another editor.
- Ok. To get rid of the YouTube source, I wrote: "Björk (28 November 2001). Press Conference: Word Shiseido Hall. Tokyo, Japan."
- I will have to ask that to another editor.
- Sony Mini DV camera is too specific and comes across as publicity, especially since it's repeated.
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- "Although now recognised as one of Björk's finest videos" you can't only say this because one critic did so.
- Replaced it with: "Although the music video has been well received by critics", and added another source.
- I don't think Diffuser.fm is a great source
- It is a Townsquare Media site, like Loudwire. I found this other source: Confront Magazine, though it might be even worse.
- The reason I'm being extra picky with the sources is because I think this has FA potential. I found an NME article!
- Great!
- The reason I'm being extra picky with the sources is because I think this has FA potential. I found an NME article!
- Pagan Poetry music video" → "Pagan Poetry" music video
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- A lot of Björk refs / primary sources. If you could switch some, it would be great, especially in case you want to eventually make it an FAC.
- I switched various Björk refs
- Switch ShowSTUDIO with [New York magazine http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/04/nick-knight-on-working-with-kanye-and-bjork.html]
- Cool, thanks for the help.
- Switch ShowSTUDIO with [New York magazine http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/04/nick-knight-on-working-with-kanye-and-bjork.html]
- The Nicola Dibben quote is just placed there without any introduction.
- As an introduction, I wrote: "Academic Nicola Dibben has likened Vespertine's artwork and promotion to representations of the Greek myth of Leda and the Swan, emphazising the erotic overtones of both. She stated:".
Release and promotion
- Back it at again with those WP:Primary sources
- 77island isn't a high-quality source
- It has been Björk's official discography website for years, isn't it reliable?
- There should be a separate section for commercial/chart performance, that information shouldn't be here.
- Fixed
- "Cocoon" was released as the album's third single on 11 March 2002, its music video having premiered in February" practically the same structure as that of the Hidden Place sentence, try altering it.
- Fixed
- You could mention how each single performed on the charts, like on other album articles.
Critical reception
- This section seems rather small for the amount of reviews there are. It can be expanded.
- Fixed, although I'm afraid there could be some errors in prose.
- Is Almost Cool noteworthy?
- I got that source from Metacritic, thinking the section needed a more mixed review.
- In critic's lists (which I think should be critics' lists) what does the 44.5 position mean?
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- I don't think Fast 'n' Bulbous, E! Online, Audiogalaxy, Playlouder, No Ripcord should be listed.
- Fixed
Charts and certifications
- I have never seen a chart table for singles in an album article. I'm going to let it pass, though.
- I actually saw it in the article for Debut
References
- AllMedia is missing publisher
- I cannot find AllMedia in the article
- The Orlando Weekly ref should be in cite news
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Lead
- remove "winter"
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- E. E. Cummings is correct here, so E.E. Cummings is incorrect in the body of the article
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- The idea that she meant to deviate from the sonority of Homogenic could be incorporated into the second paragraph
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- " and music boxes, the latter were custom made; strings are also heavily featured" I suggest "(...), strings and custom music boxes."
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- "On the album Björk added "microbeats", with the help of the duo Matmos, made from the sampling of shuffling cards, ice being cracked, among other household sounds." → "Assisted by the duo Matmos, Björk created "microbeats" from various household sounds, such as that of shuffling cards and ice being cracked."
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Overall, this is on the verge of becoming a good article. I absolutely adore this album and think that it deserves an article of the same quality, but some of the prose and the reliance on primary sources are ultimately detrimental. As usual, one week (eligible for extension) on hold; when these issues are fixed, I will do a second review of it. Great work here, Bleff. Pedro u | t 13:03, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
- Bleff, today is the deadline; however, two more days to do what's missing in case you've forgotten. Pedro u | t 20:44, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
- Hello Prism, I've been having problems with my internet connection, which was fixed today. I'll try to do what's missing. --Bleff (talk) 18:36, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- No worries, Bleff. Let me know when you're done. Good work, pedro home | talk 20:17, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- Hello Prism, I've been having problems with my internet connection, which was fixed today. I'll try to do what's missing. --Bleff (talk) 18:36, 4 May 2016 (UTC)