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Sky Giant

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Proposed deletion of The Sixth Year

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Nomination of Marc Gracie for deletion

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Box Office Story additions

I have questions about this source. Are these numbers cumulative or based on first releases? For The Green Room (film) I had previously added that it sold about 30,000 tickets, based on information from Truffaut's biography. This number is much different from your 161,293 admissions, and would contradict all information that the film was a flop (although it still shows the film as being Truffaut's least profitable). I also reverted the info on Citizen Kane since I was already familiar with the Box Office Story numbers reflecting the 1991 re-release box office.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 21:31, 4 January 2015 (UTC) Hey deoliveriafan - as far as I know the numbers are cumulative... though I could be wrong - the same website lists the film as getting admissions of 66,000 in Paris alone in 1978 - http://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.com.au&sl=fr&u=http://www.boxofficestory.com/box-office-francois-truffaut-c25718972 - but it should be said 161 thousand admissions is definitely a flop for a French film. I take your point re: Citizen Kane but could we put some figures in the "gross" item at the box at the top? Dutchy85 (talk) 23:02, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I misspoke and was mixing your edits up with someone else who added the 1991 US box office on Kane. The French admissions numbers are still in the article in a section that talks about the films release in France in 1946. As far as The Green Room thanks for the info and I'll expand on it in the article so there's no contradiction between it and the infobox.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 00:16, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Different aspect to the same subject - French box office figures are not really relevant to the gross of American films. I recommend that you remove these figures that you added to infoboxes, so that other editors don't have to. BMK (talk) 11:29, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Ken, I can understand your position but genuinely believe that French box office figures add a fascinating dimension to a page's entry for American films. However I won't press the point and will endeavour to only use it for American films were I can specifically illustrate it. Thanks for your interest Dutchy85 (talk) 11:58, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

The problem is that the French figures don't really tell us anything except how well the film did in France, and specifically don't project into giving us an idea about what the film grossed (either in the US or overall) or whether the film was a B.O. success. Every country has particular tastes, and French taste in film is notoriously at odds with U.S. tastes. So, I would say that the French figures are really only relevant for French films and shouldn't be used for American films unless, as you say, you have additional info to connect it up. BMK (talk) 01:31, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Ken I completely respect that point of view but do feel that wikipedia can be overly US-centric at times and France is one of the biggest cinema markets in the world but agree it should only be used for specific purposes eg to show how internationally popular a Hollywood film is eg The Great Dictator, or how a French-set Hollywood film wasn't popular in France - thanks again for your interest and support Dutchy85 (talk) 01:45, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Womance for deletion

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Womance

I considered using that Huffington Post source, but I note that it cites Wikipedia as its source, which means this might be happening :) Chris Smowton (talk) 09:45, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Alma Brooks

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Nomination of Alma Brooks for deletion

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Reference Errors on 16 March

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Speedy deletion nomination of La Belle Aventure

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Nomination of Diary of a Bachelor for deletion

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Full approved bio about Katt Shea, director, writer, master teacher

Hi there, I made changes to the bio including links to everything. Hope this helps! Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KattShea (talk • contribs) 23:03, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of St. Val's Mystery for deletion

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Fred MacMurray

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• Tranberg, Charles. Fred MacMurray: A Biography. Albany, Georgia: Bear Manor Media, 2014. ISBN 978-0-8108-2315-0. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 17:24, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Citation formatting

Hi Duchy85 - I've noticed you've added some citations to film articles. This is welcome, but there are some embedded links that aren't right. for example, in The Double Event (1911 film), you've added "newspaper=[[Punch |Punch (Melbourne, Vic. : 1900 - 1918; 1925)]]". This actually links to a disambiguation page. An appropriate link here would be "newspaper=[[Melbourne Punch|Punch]]" - and the rest is not needed because you already have a 'location=Melbourne', and a publication date.

Similarly, on 16 March you added a couple of links in citations to George Wallace (Australian comedian): one was "newspaper=[[Table Talk |Table Talk (Melbourne, Vic. : 1885 - 1939)]]", another was "newspaper=[[News |News (Adelaide, SA : 1923 - 1954)]]". Both of these wikilinks go to the wrong destination; I think what you needed here are "newspaper=[[Table Talk (newspaper)|Table Talk]]" and "newspaper=[[The News (Adelaide)|The News]]".

I also have a question about some other citations. For example, in Something of Value, you've added "<ref>Grace Kelly's Future Blooming; Lana Turner Film Found by Thorpe Schallert, Edwin. Los Angeles Times (1923-Current File) [Los Angeles, Calif] 01 Apr 1955: B11</ref>". What is the meaning of '(1923-Current File)'? And would it be possible to format the citation in the usual manner as "<ref>"Grace Kelly's Future Blooming; Lana Turner Film Found by Thorpe" Schallert, Edwin. ''Los Angeles Times'' 1 April 1955: B11</ref>"? That is: with the article title in quotes, the newspaper italicised, omitting the location when it's already included in the newspaper title, and omitting the leading zero on the date, and not abbreviating the month - and why the embedded line break at the end of the article title? Or even better, to provide the citation information as parameters to the {{cite news}} template, so no manual formatting would be needed.

Colonies Chris (talk) 08:12, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I see you're still adding junk references like this one in Death Race 2000:

<ref name="la">9 Directors Rising From the Trashes: Nine Directors Rising From the Trashes 9 Directors Rising From the Trashes 9 Directors Rising From the Trashes From the Trashes From the Trashes From the Trashes Thomas, Kevin. Los Angeles Times (1923-Current File) [Los Angeles, Calif] 21 Dec 1975: m1. </ref>

What the hell is going on there? You need to address the concerns I've raised or I will start reverting all such changes. Colonies Chris (talk) 11:01, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Colonies Chris, the citations I used come from one of two sources - Trove, the database for the National Library of Australia, which has a special citation for wikipedia which I use. The other citation I take from proquest, which is a research tool. I take the citations directly from that. Dutchy85 (talk) 11:10, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

• Thank you for your response. I've just gone to Trove and seen the citation it generates for the reference to Melbourne Punch I mentioned, and it is still producing the entirely incorrect wikilinks I described. This needs to be taken up with Trove right away - it's corrupting Wikipedia with a lot of erroneous links. Do you know if they consulted with anyone before supplying these terrible citations?
  

With ProQuest, obviously there's a problem with the cite I mentioned above, and there's a more general problem with the formatting - it's not like anything normally used in Wikipedia, it doesn't fit the style guidelines for citations, and it has this mysterious (1923-current file) component, which appears to have no value whatever. Colonies Chris (talk) 11:40, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm sure if you contacted Trove themselves they'd be able to address it - I was sticking to their formatting because I thought it was the original one. The (1923-current file) type things comes from, I think, the fact sometimes there can be more than one say Los Angeles Times, a Los Angeles Times that ran from 1890-1911 and the one that runs from 1923 to current (I'm making that up as a example - Ijust think that's the reason why) Dutchy85 (talk) 11:49, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for this background. I've discovered that much the same concerns were raised with Trove as recently as March, but with no success. I've just raised these issues again in their forum, so we'll see if that approach has any better luck. There's nothing I can do about ProQuest as I don't have an account. I don't think the (1923-current file) stuff can be to do with the newspaper itself, as citations from other papers, such as the New York Times, also have exactly the same. Colonies Chris (talk) 22:13, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Your recent edits

Hi there. I noticed that you're updating information in martial arts films. Thanks for finding and adding this data. I made a few tweaks. Generally, we use ranges when there's conflicting data. For example, if one source reports a budget of $1 million, and another source reports $2 million, we'd say $1–2 million, followed by both citations. In the infobox, we generally prefer to list the worldwide gross, so if you find a film that only lists the US gross, you could probably just replace that value with the worldwide gross. If the values for the same data (both US or both worldwide), you should use a range. Also, you should be a bit careful of copying too much directly from sources. It's difficult to avoid that when you're citing a direct quotation, but you shouldn't copy more than necessary. Anyway, thanks for updating these articles. They tend to languish. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 05:31, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Women in the Wind

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A barnstar for you!

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Speedy deletion nomination of Bring on the Girls (film)

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I'm incredibly flattered and very tempted but probably shouldn't join - I get in enough trouble as it is with the time I spend on Wikipedia :) - but am happy to keep contributing to articles. Thanks again - very flattering.Dutchy85 (talk) 22:08, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

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Substubs

Hi, as you probably noticed on your watchlist, I was going through Australian film stubs and happened upon some created by you that were lacking context. In the future please do try to include more information such as the name of the director, starring actors, general plot, awards, etc. While you added some information to infoboxes, it is pertinent to include it in the prose because infoboxes are only meant as a at-a-glance version of the text itself and are collapsed by default on mobile devices, a huge portion of our readers. It also does a disservice to our readers because they come to Wikipedia expecting to find information on the subjects where in the cases of very small articles they'd be better served by the imdb links at the bottom. Opencooper (talk) 05:32, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Please use 'Edit Summaries'

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'Unmade Films' section of 'Alan Ladd' article - Suggestion

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If you or other editors believe there is a valid reason for its inclusion in that bio. entry, then you or those editors should add an introductory paragraph at the beginning of the section explaining what it is that the list represents -- that is, explaining what exactly constitutes an "unmade film", so as to warrant a filmography-like list of same in a movie actor's bio. (as opposed to, say, brief mention of certain key roles the actor was considered for, but never got, in the text or body of the article).
Long, official-looking lists of this sort (or "Unmade Filmographies", if you will) -- if truly notable at all, or worthy of inclusion as part of the biographical articles on actors in Wikipedia -- could turn into almost endless listings of all sorts of failed concepts, unmade scripts, cancelled productions, etc., etc.
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Request regarding film articles

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January 2016

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"Box office"

Please remember to use a small "o" in "office", not a capital one. BMK (talk) 17:13, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

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Betty Co-Ed

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Speedy deletion nomination of Mystery Range

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice to inform you that a tag has been placed on Feud of the Trail requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. 2602:306:3357:BA0:74C4:9FE5:6E43:CEE4 (talk) 01:41, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

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When you create a stub with a disambiguated title like Racing Luck (1948 film), please remember to add a hat note (or dab page entry) at the base name to help readers to find it. I've added the hat note at Racing Luck. Thanks. PamD 06:50, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Contextual information

Hi just another friendly reminder: please try to include more contextual information in your articles. Most importantly every film article should include who the director is in the first sentence, as well as the country of origin (if it's simple to determine) of the film. Film titles should also be italicized, and you can do that using {{Infobox film}} or {{Italic title}}. Lastly it would help to add the {{WikiProject film}} template to the talk pages of the articles so they can be tracked and rated. (See the template documentation for the parameters; though for stubs you can assess them as stubs) Lastly you should try to include links to the newly created articles. Happy editing. Opencooper (talk) 12:33, 10 March 2016 (UTC)