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==Maps on this article: Brazil is a permanent member of the Latin Union==
The two map images on this article currently do not have Brazil marked/shaded as a Latin Union member. They are wrong and need to be updated.

Please see the link below to the Latin Union website for all its current members. Brazil is amongst them.
http://www.unilat.org/SG/Organisation/Presentation/EtatsMembres/index.es.asp
--[[User:Cavallero|Cavallero]] ([[User talk:Cavallero|talk]]) 22:45, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

:Yes, someone do upload updated and accurate maps please. [[Special:Contributions/99.27.136.163|99.27.136.163]] ([[User talk:99.27.136.163|talk]]) 00:15, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

== The Philippines as part of the Latin Union ==

The Philippines became a member of the Latin Union in 1985. At that time Spanish was the third official language of the country before they revised the constitution and completely removed it in 1987. Up until that, the Spanish language was the sole official language of the Philippines from 1565 to 1898, and was co-official from 1899 to 1987 under different governments with the exception of the Japanese occupation.

I believe the Philippines still has the right to maintain its membership, it is the only Asian country with its own Spanish academy (Academia Filipina de la Lengua Española) and it is a member of the Hispanidad. The Spanish language thrived in the Philippines during the 1910's when 20% of the population were able to speak Spanish fluently. The number drastically declined due to the American colonial government which abolished and discouraged the use of the Spanish language.

There is currently an on-going movement to re-instate the Spanish language as one of the official languages. There are also plans to make the Spanish language a compulsory course in all schools, they are currently doing preliminary tests for it in some of the schools in the country. A part of the funding is from Spain. There are teachers being trained for the Spanish language currently. This was reported in the news a few years ago, I haven't heard much news about this recently but it seems to be in progress and the current government administration is not stopping it. The business sector is asking the government to re-instate it because of the rising need for Spanish call centres.

Historically and culturally, the Spanish language plays a very significant and important role. The two most historically significant novels in Philippine history and culture, El Filibuterismo and Noli Mi Tangere, are both written in Spanish (they were published in Berlin). The vast majority of the documents in the historical archives are written in Spanish. There is a need for Spanish-speaking Filipino historians in the country. The majority of the population rely on American translations of the Spanish documents to read the historical documents. Many of the history textbooks are American translations of the Spanish documents. The largest spoken Spanish creole language in the world, Chavacano, is from the Philippines with over 600,000+ speakers.

For all of these reasons, perhaps that is why the Philippines still maintains its membership.

([[User:Lazyazian|Lazyazian]] ([[User talk:Lazyazian|talk]]) 20:54, 5 June 2012 (UTC))

==Other territories/countries in Asia? would Macau or Vietnam qualify?==
Just curious as to what people think.

Since Portuguese is an official language in Macau, would they qualify if they asked to join the Latin Union? Would Vietnam qualify since they have years of colonization by the French, and their language was influenced by both the Portuguese and France?

Are there any other Asian nations or territories that could be a potential member from Asia?([[User:PinoyFilAmPride|PinoyFilAmPride]] ([[User talk:PinoyFilAmPride|talk]]) 10:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC))

:I would say Macau is the only other potential member, but its very unlikely. When I see pictures and read about Macau, it is overwhelmingly Chinese in language and culture, very few traces of the Portuguese. The same applies for Vietnam, it was a French colony but French culture never got a foothold in the country.

([[User:Lazyazian|Lazyazian]] ([[User talk:Lazyazian|talk]]) 21:14, 5 June 2012 (UTC))

Macau would most surely qualify as an observer. It is their lack of sovereignty that would be an obstacle to full membership. Culturally Macau is indeed mostly chinese but there is not only a portuguese ex-patriate community but a small but influential luso-chinese minority who speaks cantonese, the Macao creole and/or Portuguese. The cultural links are still strong(from archives to co-operation) and as far as I can observe, they are kept by the local government to mark Macaos specificity inside the chinese nation...as described by a friend from Macao, very proudly chinese but not wanting to loose a special culture that attracts business, tourists and justifies the rather more liberal and democratic legislation.

Of Vietnam, until the end of the war, we could say that it could have been a memeber with not much issue. A large number of the elites was francophone and even francophile, with a large catholic population, the cultural links were very strong. After the war I believe the situation changed. The catholic population and the francophone elite having been forced to migrate, but that is something only the Vietnamese can truly comment. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/90.198.239.186|90.198.239.186]] ([[User talk:90.198.239.186|talk]]) 12:36, 9 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== The Philippines ==
Questions regarding why the Philippines is part of the Latin Union should be forwarded to the organisation itself, but for now as stated on its [http://www.unilat.org/ official site], the Philippines is indeed part of the Latin Union (a good enough to leave it amongst the other countries in the list). [[Tagalog]] may not be purely Latin-based but the language is heavily influenced by Spanish so this might be the reason why the country is still part of the organisation. Another is the [[Hispanic_culture_in_The_Philippines|cultural]] aspect, which is too broad to be discussed in here.
Why not [[Equatorial Guinea]] and [[East Timor]]? One can assume that since East Timor is a new country they have yet to apply for membership. I wouldn't have a clue regarding Equatorial Guinea's position (it's official languages are Spanish & French) but both countries are definitely worth the mention. -- [[User:Erehtsti|Erehtsti]] 00:12, 6 November 2004
:I have removed the last paragraph under Member States for having false information. The Philippines has not been expelled, nor has Equatorial Guinea joined the Latin Union, as cited in the Latin Union's website ([http://www.unilat.org/info_fr/membre/membre.html Source]) [[User:Erehtsti|Erehtsti]] 22:23, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

i would debate that our language, is'nt as heavely influenced by Spanish than some of us portray. --[[User:Jandela|Jandela]] 09:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

@ Jandela Well,Philippines languages are HEAVILY influenced by Spanish. Many basic words in Philippines languages are borrowed from Spanish, for example kusina, kutsara, kotse,kwelyo, kabayo, oras etc. Besides that, Filipinos rarely use their own language when counting, they prefer using Spanish number. You may argue that Tagalog speakers uses Tagalog number more often, but they just use that until ten. After ten, they still prefer using Spanish. When referring time, no doubt, Spanish is used. Eg. a las dos, a las tres etc.

Many Filipino invented words also derived from Spanish or have Spanish common characteristics, for example, Lolo and Lola. The suffixes of -o and -a to indicate gender are from Spanish. These are sufficient to indicate that Spanish plays an important roles in Philippines languages. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dumbbell123|Dumbbell123]] ([[User talk:Dumbbell123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dumbbell123|contribs]]) 04:07, 14 April 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

It is not only the language that matters here, but also the culture, traditions, and other aspects that may consider the Philippines a member of the organization. Even though Spanish wasn't now an official language, it has been used as an optional language, also some Filipinos tend to understand a bit of Spanish. [[User:Anonymous]] 17:57, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

== unwarranted reversions, false info ==

According to the Latin Union's site, specifically the Member States section:
[http://www.unilat.org/info_es/membre/filipinas.html Philippines (en Espanol)]
The Philippines not only is a member State of the Latin Union, but English, Spanish and Tagalog are official languages. I am reverting the page, per consensus, as the anonymous contributor who is insisting it's not a part of the Latin Union is not bothering to discuss. This will be referred to a Higher Power if unwarranted, non consensual changes continue.[[User:Pedant|Pedant]] 04:27, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)

:I think the problem isn't that the Philippines isn't actually a member of the Latin Union -- it is -- but that it has become a member without meeting the criteria: Tagalog is not a Latin language, and Spanish is not an official language, and most Filipinos don't even know any Spanish. [[Mauritius]] could be a member (most people speak French creole), and [[Argentina]], but the Philippines shouldn't qualify. There are far more Spanish speakers in the United States. What this means is that the criteria are actually very loose. [[User:BGManofID|BGManofID]] ([[User talk:BGManofID|talk]]) 19:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


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I think that the Philippines more or less satisfies the details of the last 2 of the 3 criteria. I'm not too sure about the linguistic criteria though. It is undeniable that Spanish has heavily influenced Tagalog, Visayan and nearly all the other major languages and their very many numerous dialects. Thst much is obvious to me just by hearing my Filipino friends talking in Tagalog. There is also Chavacano, which is basically Spanish with many native words added in. Also, nearly all of their major historical documents are in Spanish, like their Constitution written in 1898 and Jose Rizal's major literature works, etc etc. Law and Real Estate Documents are also still written in Spanish, if I'm not mistaken. Filipino culture, while of course has Malay and Chinese influences, is still overwhelmingly Hispanic. And when sources say that nowadays, only 2% of people in the Philippines speak Spanish, all of the sources I've read have stated that they're only counting native speakers. They don't take into account the bilingual/trilingual Chinese-Malay mestizos, Malay and various other people and mixes of people that still speak Spanish as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th language. And what of the people that can speak Spanish because they learned how to in high school/university? It's not a required part of their curriculum anymore, but Spanish language classes ARE still part of the curriculum. The fact that it still is means that theres still demand for it. Anyways, I think the Philippines definitely satisfies enough of the criteria to be allowed membership.
I think that the Philippines more or less satisfies the details of the last 2 of the 3 criteria. I'm not too sure about the linguistic criteria though. It is undeniable that Spanish has heavily influenced Tagalog, Visayan and nearly all the other major languages and their very many numerous dialects. Thst much is obvious to me just by hearing my Filipino friends talking in Tagalog. There is also Chavacano, which is basically Spanish with many native words added in. Also, nearly all of their major historical documents are in Spanish, like their Constitution written in 1898 and Jose Rizal's major literature works, etc etc. Law and Real Estate Documents are also still written in Spanish, if I'm not mistaken. Filipino culture, while of course has Malay and Chinese influences, is still overwhelmingly Hispanic. And when sources say that nowadays, only 2% of people in the Philippines speak Spanish, all of the sources I've read have stated that they're only counting native speakers. They don't take into account the bilingual/trilingual Chinese-Malay mestizos, Malay and various other people and mixes of people that still speak Spanish as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th language. And what of the people that can speak Spanish because they learned how to in high school/university? It's not a required part of their curriculum anymore, but Spanish language classes ARE still part of the curriculum. The fact that it still is means that theres still demand for it. Anyways, I think the Philippines definitely satisfies enough of the criteria to be allowed membership.

==Languages are (no longer) organized by letters of the alphabet, (but by importance in terms of total speaking population, according to Ethnologue)==
*As this in English it should be organized in English, it is maybe offensive the organization in this article, as in most language Spanish starts with an "E" it is the second language after Catalan, but in this article is the first even if it starts with an "S". It caan be seen a somewhat stupid, but it is better to organize countries by the alphabet as the website does, not to offend anyone!--12:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

*(It´s a much more rational and logical criteria, in my humble opinion, to put them by order of speaking population; you can check, for example, the order in which members of the Commonwealth are displayed in the Commonwealth´s article, or the order in which the different "languages of europe" and their predecessors are mentioned in its own one. If alphabetic order were the criteria in most of similar English wikipedia´s articles, you could be right, although it would keep seeming arbitrary, and poorly intuitive; but that´s not even the fact. I also expect not to offend anyone.)

*If we’re going to order the languages by '''total''' number of speakers (not by native), I believe [[French language|French]] has [[Portuguese language|Portuguese]] beat. Portuguese is listed before French in the article, though. Should this be changed? I’m assuming that “total speaking population” means “total speakers”. --[[User:Montgolfière|Montgolfière]] ([[User talk:Montgolfière|talk]]) 20:58, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

==Pan-Latinism?==
The Latin Union is not a recent concept of unity among "Latin" cultural nations. The organization was based on the historic 19th century [[Pan-Latin]] movements in Europe, and a similar push for a more united Latin America in the 20th century. Supporters of Pan-Latinism as they are called dreamed of a singular empire of Latin countries, the list includes WWII Italian dictator [[Benito Mussolini]] and Argentinan leader [[Juan Peron]] in the 1950's has nationalistic overtones. I doubt the Latin Union, alike other regional and inter-cultural organizations like the [[Nordic Union]] would exist any longer with stronger cooperative organizations of the [[European Union]] and the [[Organization of American States]] in the Western Hemisphere. +[[User:Mike D 26|Mike D 26]] 10:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

==Latin Union Website==

Website was recently updated. The Philippines still remains a member. The Philippine Flag is included in the site's home page flash banner.

However, the year of entry of the Philippines in the organization was in 1985. By that time, Spanish was no longer an official language for 12 years. And on the year after that, Spanish was removed from the college curriculum. Strange, huh?

El Salvador is now a member.--[[User:Fifteencounts|Fifteencounts]] 01:29, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


:The Philippines has arround 13 million manuscripts in historical documents which I can cite. There are still many land and legal documents in Spanish. The first constitution as well as propaganda material document, Noli Me Tangere and other documents, novels and material were written in Spanish. This satisfies the condition "Existence of significant literature in a Latin-derived language".--[[User:Jondel|Jondel]] 16:31, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

== Latin Union enlargement ==

I don't understand why Switzerland (where three of its four languages - French,Italian and Ladino - are official languages)is not a member of the Latin Union. Furthermore, New Mexico (USA) and Quebec (Canada) should be members because they officially use Spanish and French/Italian, even if they are not independent States. Brunodam (10/28/06)

As I know, Switzerland is almost totally isolating itself from joining any international organisation. Switzerland is one of the newest United Nations member, and the joining was reluctant. So no doubt Switzerland is not joining L.U. because of its neutralization policy. --[[User:Dumbbell123|Dumbbell123]] ([[User talk:Dumbbell123|talk]]) 04:16, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

The fact that Canadian Provinces or USA states are not members of the Latin Union (or any other international organization) probably has to do with their legal status. Federal States often are constitutionally forbiden from entering international agreements and organizations. Canada, as a State with two offical languages most surely is the best candidate if there was political will to please the Quebequois section of the population that wants to be closer to other romance-speaking States, but I suppose there is no such political will not to encourage separatism.

In international relations, territories and states without full sovereignty can sometimes be given obeserver status as the inhability to sign international agreements prevents them from becoming full members. The most important element here is the legal status of the territory and if the constitutional framework that they are bound to allows them to participate in international treaties and/or agreements.

Other than the states and province mentioned I would then add that both Melaka in Malaysia and the Indian Union states and territories of Goa, Daman and Diu, Dadra and Nagar Aveli, and Pondicherry could potentially be observers. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/90.198.239.186|90.198.239.186]] ([[User talk:90.198.239.186|talk]]) 12:51, 9 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== LATIN ==

how can a mexican be latin if he is an amer-indian?I also think that romanian language should be the only official language in the so called "latin union",because is the closest language to what roman soldiers spoke 2000 years ago.Can somebody say that isn't true?
(january 30,2007)
*It isn't true. --[[User:PedroPVZ|Pedro]] 17:12, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
*It isn't true. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/189.163.65.67|189.163.65.67]] ([[User talk:189.163.65.67|talk]]) 05:14, 28 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*It IS true that the Romanian Language is the closest language to what roman soldiers spoke 2000 years ago. I speak Latin, Romanian, French, Italian, Castillian and I can confirm that ! Another confirmation: in my hometown, in Central Romania, the local people can read and understand with ease the Latin inscriptions from the funeral monuments of the Roman legionaires and dignitaries, spread all over the area. There is not an insurmontable language barrier between Latin and Romanian, because the Romanian Language has the highest proportion of Latin words among the Romance languages.

About the Mexicans... I think that they are Latin too. If they feel that they belong to the Latin World, they speak a Romanic language and they share a Latin heritage, they are definitely LATIN.

*Mexicans aren't solely Amerindians they are also of Spanish and mixed Spanish and Native ancestry as well as from other cultures. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/208.54.36.199|208.54.36.199]] ([[User talk:208.54.36.199|talk]]) 15:51, 3 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

The Romanian Language is not so spread into the world so it should NOT be the only official language in the Latin Union. Anyway it should be equal with French, Italian, Castillian and Portugese, because France and Romania are THE MAIN FINANCIAL SPONSORS of the Latin Union. [[User:Transsylvanian]]

I believe your comment to be no more than provocative and ill informed. 1. Romanian has suffered considerable influence from slavic languages, specially at grammar level. In any case, even if you do not agree, perhaps we could create a linguists comission to decide which one of our beautiful languages is the closest to latin and if Sardinian wins (and most of my linguist friends think it is) we should all learn Sardinian. No? I dont think so either. The division of latin into neo-romance languages is a fact we can not revert, we all have proud and valueble cultures and history and the objective of a Latin Union should most definetly not be the destruction of diversity.

Regarding Mexico, or any other latin-american country your comment borders the offensive. If we are going to reduce being latin to a ethnic concept then we will start excluding every single one of our nations. In the end maybe even the italians will have to drop considerable parts of their country to just leave the italians living in the the province of Lazio as the one and true latins in the world. Even if you do want to reduce it then you would have to count the white mexicans and the mestizo mexicans into the latin family a dominant and numerical majority in Mexico. As far as it is known, roman settlers in Dacia married and intermingled with Dacians and later on their descendents did the same with slavic groups. Just because the offspring is white it does not make them more or less worthy to call themselves latin than the hispano-american offspring. To be latin is, and this was true during the existence of the Roman Empire, a cultural concept and a sense of belonging. If your culture or parts of it are latin and you feel latin then you are latin. The pure descendents of german or japanese immigrants to Brazil that speak portuguese and have an essentially brazilian way of life (even with elements of their original cultures)are equally entitled to call themselves latin. Mexicans still have strong indigenous cultures in their midst but the mainstream Mexican culture is latin in Language, religion, cultural expression, etc. This not despising or underplaying the richness that the indigenous cultures of Mexico have brought into the local latin culture. Diversity and inclussiveness is one of our strengths...and this was also true when there was an Emperor in Rome. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/90.198.239.186|90.198.239.186]] ([[User talk:90.198.239.186|talk]]) 13:21, 9 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Latin cultures ==

Hello everyone! You may want to go to [[Latin cultures]] an participate in the article and discussion. There are a lot of disputed statements... [[User:The Ogre|The Ogre]] 12:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

there are other opinions and positions;
If Mexicans belong to anotther Cultural Sphere,wich has Latino but also African and Amerindian influences, how can they be Latinos? Similar situation can be said about the Philipines, Peru, Bolivia, Brasil... The real Latinos Live in Europe, But the name Latino does not refer to them. and the term Hispanic, supossedly refering to the peoples of iberia peninsula since roman times, does not apply to them..europe has strong relations with Latin America But it's another different cultural sphere - the west (western europe,more precisely) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/89.154.103.74|89.154.103.74]] ([[User talk:89.154.103.74|talk]]) 03:56, 19 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Tottally disagree. The North American definition of Hispanic and Latino are not very useful and are definitions that are external to the latin world and should be refused as useless. Latinos (according to the US census definition) is a cultural definition. It applies to anyone coming from a south american or caribbean country that were parts of either the portuguese or spanish empires. I think it is useless because it will classify a spanish immigrat to the USA as White but if his twin brother migrates to Mexico with his spanish wife, has a child and this child migrates to the USA with a mexican passport then the child becomes latino.
The racial definition is also useless to define who is a latin (different from latino which is a USA concept).
Are spaniards and portuguese true latins? The genetic studies say we are closer to other western european nations (french but also british) than we are to a considerable part of italians and most definitely Romanians. This has to do with the migration patterns after the end of the last glaciation and further population migrations, namely after the fall of the Roman Empire. the same can be equally said to large parts of the italian population even. Those who were celtic before the roman annexation and those who have been geneticly influenced by the later invasions of the Italian peninsula. A Mexican or a brazilian, can be, and often are, geneticly closer to a spaniard or portuguese than to a mayan or guarani. Should they be excluded from being latin?

Romans were assimilators extraordinaire. In the end of the day they could not care less about the coulour or original culture where you came from as long as you 1. adopted at least parts of roman (latin) culture, and 2. Accepted that you were roman. Spanish and Portuguese in the new world and in Africa did essentially the same, even grading how assimilated you were to spanish or portuguese culture and giving you legal rights according to that level of assimilation.

As an iberian that has travelled in both Brazil and Mexico I have to say that I felt very much at home as culture is concerned. The language, the taste for soaps, religion, ways to see the world, raise kids etc were very similar to what I see at home, let alone athings like architecture and food which have distinctive elements but also huge points of contact with iberian art and culinary. The African elements in Brazil (I visited Salvador) and the indigenous elements in Mexico were noticeable but they were not so central as to make me believe they would disqualify them of being part of my iberian brotherhood....and as a consequence from the latin world. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/90.198.239.186|90.198.239.186]] ([[User talk:90.198.239.186|talk]]) 13:54, 9 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Contradiction ==

The template at the top says that Catalan is an official language, but the Official languages section at the bottom says that it is not. Can someone please fix it? --[[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] 08:45, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:Catalan is the first language listed in the logo (Unió Llatina). I'll clean up to ensure that it is clear that Catalan '''''IS''''' an official langauge. [[User:Samwaltz|samwaltz]] 19:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

== Mapis not showing ==

The map is not showing, but it's available at <nowiki>[[Image:LatinUnionmap 2005.png]]</nowiki>. Can't seem to solve the problem. Help anyone? [[User:The Ogre|The Ogre]] 15:02, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

== Mexico ==

what on earth is latin about Mexico??? and then you didn't even list Puerto Rico.-Lupe <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.32.114.15|66.32.114.15]] ([[User talk:66.32.114.15|talk]]) 17:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The language they speak? And PR won't make it since it's not a sovereign nation yet. --'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]''' 11:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

:Are you serious Lupe? What is latin about Mexico? Where you born there? Have you lived there? Have you traveled there? The language is Latin. The culture is heavily latin. The Religion is Catholic. Roman law and Napoleonic laws used to prevail. Architecture,arts,literature is all influenced by the Latin world. That is not to say that native elements and population do not exist, these exist in every other latin country as well. But in no way would they erase what IS there!
Robert,pumasgoya <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pumasgoya|Pumasgoya]] ([[User talk:Pumasgoya|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pumasgoya|contribs]]) 16:42, 15 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:The language that is spoken in Mexico is Spanish, a latin language. A big part of the culture of Mexico is coming from Spain, a latin country (even if there are also a big amerindian influence). So Mexico is a latin country. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.224.59.166|82.224.59.166]] ([[User talk:82.224.59.166|talk]]) 15:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Remember that before countries like France came under Roman rule they too had a culture native to their people which became mixed with that of the Latin culture which is what produced modern French culture. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/208.54.36.199|208.54.36.199]] ([[User talk:208.54.36.199|talk]]) 15:57, 3 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

The maps are wrong. Mexico is not a permanent member of the Latin Union (see http://www.unilat.org/SG/Etats_membres/es).

== All parts of the world? ==

The Latin Union is concentrated in Europe, Southern and Western Africa, and South and Central America. Why say it covers "all parts of the world", which could possible even imply membership of every single country to some people, when large parts of the earth's surface don't contain any members? Is "much of the world" not a far more accurate summary? --[[User:Lo2u|Lo2u]] <sup>([[User talk:Lo2u|T]] • [[Special:Contributions/Lo2u|C]])</sup> 16:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

==Pagkakaisang Latino==
It is out of place and inappropriate to insert the Tagalog name (Pagkakaisang Latino) for the Latin Union in the box. Please remember that the basis of the Latin Union is a link to a Romance language or culture that derives some influence from the neo-Latin countries. Please remove it. But yes, the influence of the Spanish language on Philippine languages and dialects and Spanish culture on the Filipino cannot be ignored. The Philippines - thank heavens - is an outpost of Latin culture.
[[User:rrcs_law|rrcs_law]] 2:25 7 Apr 2009
:I agree, so I reverted it, but requested a citation for the official languages. [[User:SamEV|SamEV]] ([[User talk:SamEV|talk]]) 03:31, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

why argentina is not a fully member? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/190.30.81.198|190.30.81.198]] ([[User talk:190.30.81.198|talk]]) 19:46, 1 December 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Why? You could always say "''Unyon (or Union) ng mga Latino'' so it won't be out of place. And besides the term ''Pagkakaisang Latino'' has at least the word ''Latino'' borrowed from Spain. [[User:Anonymous]] 17:50, 14 February 2015 (UTC) <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/121.54.54.175|121.54.54.175]] ([[User talk:121.54.54.175|talk]]) </small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Puerto Rico ==

Why is [[Puerto Rico]] is not in the Latin Union?--[[User:Jasonfitz|Jasonfitz]] ([[User talk:Jasonfitz|talk]]) 13:01, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

:I don't know, Jason. But in case you're actually asking 'why is Puerto Rico not in Wikipedia's "Latin Union" article?', the answer is: Because the Latin Union doesn't list Puerto Rico as a member (see [http://www.unilat.org/SG/Organisation/Presentation/EtatsMembres/index.es.asp list of members]). [[User:SamEV|SamEV]] ([[User talk:SamEV|talk]]) 20:16, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Maybe Puerto Rico is part of US territories, and US is no a Latin Union member. -- dumbbell123 <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dumbbell123|Dumbbell123]] ([[User talk:Dumbbell123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dumbbell123|contribs]]) 04:11, 14 April 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Macau ==
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By the way, greetings to Filipino Wikipedians out there. Even though Spanish is not any more spoken in the Philippines, the Spanish culture and language made a big impact on yours. Hence, Philippines is and should always be part of Latin Union. Who knows? Spanish might be adopted again as one of the official languages of the Orient Pearl. Ciao! -- [[User:Leeheonjin|Lee Heon Jin]] <sup>([[User talk:Leeheonjin|talk]])</sup> 18 August 2010, 09:07 (UTC)
By the way, greetings to Filipino Wikipedians out there. Even though Spanish is not any more spoken in the Philippines, the Spanish culture and language made a big impact on yours. Hence, Philippines is and should always be part of Latin Union. Who knows? Spanish might be adopted again as one of the official languages of the Orient Pearl. Ciao! -- [[User:Leeheonjin|Lee Heon Jin]] <sup>([[User talk:Leeheonjin|talk]])</sup> 18 August 2010, 09:07 (UTC)

== Defunct? ==

Given that the secretariat has disbanded and all the employees have been laid off... is this still a viable entity? Would it be proper to address it in the past tense and have an investigation as to what brought about its demise? [[User:Iamvered|Iamvered]] ([[User talk:Iamvered|talk]]) 17:58, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
*Wishful thinking? Reading the website you dont have the same idea you get from wikipedia. --[[User:PedroPVZ|Pedro]] ([[User talk:PedroPVZ|talk]]) 13:46, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

=={{tl|Latin Union}}==
{{lt|Latin Union}} has been nominated for deletion -- [[Special:Contributions/76.65.128.222|76.65.128.222]] ([[User talk:76.65.128.222|talk]]) 05:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Revision as of 01:11, 16 May 2016

Removing Philippines

I am removing the Philippines. We have a Spanish derived language though, Chabacano language.--Jondel 11:11, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The official site, lists the Philippines as a member. Erehtsti 01:43, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I would be happy if the Philippines was a member. One of our languages I believe is intelligible to Spanish, Chabacano. However, I really don't think we are a member. I believe the website needs to update the list. There are 2 lists in one, the Philippines is listed , in the other, it is not(all the other countries are listed). In BTW, there are still Spanish speakers, including myself, in the Philippines. I'll see if there is an e-mail contact on the website to clarify. --Jondel 02:20, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
That would be a good idea.. I also just noticed on the site that East Timor (amongst a few others) is listed in the news section, so maybe an official update from them would help. Erehtsti 02:34, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
OK, I just sent the e-mail ( to dpel@unilat.org ), I 'll send anouther follow up on East Timor. --Jondel 02:54, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)


To anonymous 165.21.154.117

Kindly cite your source. Please don't make unilateral edits, especially if you choose to be anonymous. Pls use or do make a user account. Behaviour like this is hard to tolerate. I've sent an e-mail now to the Latin Union. If you don't cite sources, the statements you put become opinions and have to be reverted. --Jondel 04:12, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This is the same person that prompted me to start this topic discussion, hoping I could get him/her to cite the source. That was late last year and yet we still get these random edits once in a while. I have also sent an e-mail and will share any information that does come by my way. Erehtsti 06:35, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)


1) Pls understand that there are frequent vandalizers,and people with vested interested but unsubstantiated info. Thus users are prioritized over anonymous accounts. Wikipedians typically have deleted edits by anonymous accounts.

2) I did a search on the Spanish yahoo using these key words:

2004 UNIÓN LATINA Filipinas

These words appear: 2004, año del cincuentenario

Also the listing shows the Philippines.

Link from spanish yahoo:

http://www.pliegosdeopinion.net/pdo8/pensamiento/iniciativas/unionlatina.htm

3) Lets wait for the reply from the union.(2 - 3 days?)--Jondel 07:28, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)


I have recieved the reply(to be pasted below) confirming membership. In fairness however, the site says that Spanish is still an official languages which it is not. Still, if the site says the Philippines is a member then it is.--Jondel 00:03, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

E-mail

----- Original Message -----
From: <A title=dpel@unilat.org href="mailto:dpel@unilat.org">Uni Latina</A>
To: <A title=martinez@dempa.co.jp href="mailto:martinez@dempa.co.jp">John Martinez</A>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: Las Filipinas,Timor Oriental so n un miembro de La Uniﾃｳn Latina?

Estimado Ser,
Tal como se lo aclaraba en el

correo electrico anterior Filipinas es pais miembre de la Uni latina desde 1954. Dos nuevos estados, Timor Leste y Andorra, adhirieron a la Uni latina en diciembre 2004.
Atentamente,
-------------------------------------------------------
Dolores ﾁlvarez
Directora adjunta
Uni Latina
DPEL
131, rue du Bac
75007 Par﨎 -Francia
tel. (33 1) 45 49 60 60
fax. (33 1) 45 44 46 97
correo-e: dpel-ul@unilat.org
<A href="http://dpel.unilat.org/" eudora="autourl">http://dpel.unilat.org
</A>-------------------------------------------------------


Le 04:02 14/03/2005, vous avez 馗rit:

・ｿ
Estimado

Seﾃｱor,
 
Quisiera saber si Timor del Este(Timor-Leste, Timor Oriental) es un miembro
de La Uniﾃｳn Latina. Quisiera saber si hay nuevos miembros y si suprimieron a
algunos miembros por informacion para el wikipedia del Web site (en.wikipedia.org).
 
Gracias,
 
John(Juan) Martinez
 
(Jondel en el Wikipedia inglﾃｩs)
 
 
 
 
 
Esteemed sir,
 

I would like to know if East Timor is a member of the Latin Union.
I would like to know if there are new members and if some members were deleted
for the website wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org).
 

Thank you ,
 
John

Martinez
(Jondel in the English Wikipedia)

<X-SIGSEP>

</X-SIGSEP>-------------------------------------------------------
Dolores ﾁlvarez
Directora adjunta
Uni Latina
DPEL
131, rue du Bac
75007 Par﨎 -Francia
tel. (33 1) 45 49 60 60
fax. (33 1) 45 44 46 97
correo-e: dpel-ul@unilat.org
-------------------------------------------------------

Ahh.. Very interesting. It's curious that Canada isn't a part of this Latin Union. --Chris 03:35, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

They should be. Quebecanians would probably want it. If states could apply, maybe New Mexico. --Jondel 04:02, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Good, that clears it up. I have yet to receive a reply to my e-mail though. Erehtsti 08:12, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I forgot to ask about Equitorial Guinea.--Jondel 08:51, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hmm, I think I sent mine to the French offices of the Latin Union. They were probably horrified with my French. Malta and Andorra are listed on the news section of the site (http://unilat.org/actu.html) I asked about this in my e-mail, I'll give it a few more days, hopefully they will reply. That section of the site also highlights Argentina, the Order of Malta and the Holy See as 'Permanent Observers'. Erehtsti 12:22, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Je voudrai etudier francais aussie. Maybe we should make a list of all countries in question then send once and for all. --Jondel 07:40, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that's a good idea, we could start by clearing up the 'Observateur Permanent' list (Argentina, Malta, Holy See) and maybe from there ask about ones that are not listed as members but do qualify. A good reference would be the Community of Portuguese Language Countries and La Francophonie, or looking up the Spanish, Portuguese and French colonial empires is always an option. If I recall correctly, Italy did have a few colonies in Africa. Erehtsti 21:27, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

OK, a seperate section would be good. e.g. List of countries requiring confirmation .After 1 or two weeks, or in good time, send an e-mail .--Jondel 07:33, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)



List of countries requiring confirmation

Whether already a member or should be a member.(Please remove any confirmed member.)

Members/Observers

Potential Members(?)

Why are Tunisia and Algeria potential members, but not Morroco where the influence of French is just as strong, and there is also a strong Spanish influence in the Western Sahara/Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic? About the Philippines, I think somebody should make a comment about religion. The Philippines are a catholic majority country, which is why some filipinos feel associated with other latin countries which mostly catholic. On the other hand, the latin influence in Algeria, Morroco and Tunisia is much stronger - french is a defacto offical language in all three countries, but retain a strong muslim identity and as such do not identify with other latin countries.

I added a few more countries to the list, most of which has French as their official language. I have also yet to receive a reply from my earlier e-mail to the French offices of the Latin Union, so I guess I'll leave all the correspondences to you (since you were successful with yours). Also, don't you think it would help the Latin Union to have their site in English as well? I have a feeling that the rest of the English speaking population of the Internet (or the world) doesn't know that it exists. Erehtsti 13:59, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ok. I'll make the letter and the suggestion. --Jondel 06:43, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Status:email sent today.Andorra is a member.--Jondel 09:48, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Status: Still no reply.I'll just update if I do get a reply.--Jondel 00:33, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've yet to receive a reply from the first email that I sent =\ Do you think it's a good idea to include a list of potential members in the main article? Or would that just seem like redundant information? Erehtsti 06:07, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think it would be good for the list to remain here. Besides that may invite more POV arguments and confusion. I still didn't receive any reply. --Jondel 00:48, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I suppose we can leave the current article as it is until we hear from the Latin Union. Erehtsti 17:58, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=Latin+Union&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&linktext=Latin%20Union

According to that website, membership is open to any country that satisfies any one of the following criteria:

  • Linguistic criteria

o Official language derived from Latin o Latin-derived language used in education o Latin-derived language commonly used in the mass media or in daily life

  • Linguistic/cultural criteria

o Existence of significant literature in a Latin-derived language o Press and publication in Latin-derived language o Television with a strong proportion of the programming in a Latin-derived language o Radio widely broadcast in a Latin language

  • Cultural criteria

o Direct or indirect inheritance of the legacy of Ancient Rome, to which the state remains faithful and which it perpetuates mainly through the education of Latin o Cultural education of Latin-derived foreign languages o Interchanges with other Latin countries o Societal organization, particularly in the legal plane, based on respect for fundamental liberties, the general principles of human rights and democracy, tolerance and freedom of religion).

I think that the Philippines more or less satisfies the details of the last 2 of the 3 criteria. I'm not too sure about the linguistic criteria though. It is undeniable that Spanish has heavily influenced Tagalog, Visayan and nearly all the other major languages and their very many numerous dialects. Thst much is obvious to me just by hearing my Filipino friends talking in Tagalog. There is also Chavacano, which is basically Spanish with many native words added in. Also, nearly all of their major historical documents are in Spanish, like their Constitution written in 1898 and Jose Rizal's major literature works, etc etc. Law and Real Estate Documents are also still written in Spanish, if I'm not mistaken. Filipino culture, while of course has Malay and Chinese influences, is still overwhelmingly Hispanic. And when sources say that nowadays, only 2% of people in the Philippines speak Spanish, all of the sources I've read have stated that they're only counting native speakers. They don't take into account the bilingual/trilingual Chinese-Malay mestizos, Malay and various other people and mixes of people that still speak Spanish as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th language. And what of the people that can speak Spanish because they learned how to in high school/university? It's not a required part of their curriculum anymore, but Spanish language classes ARE still part of the curriculum. The fact that it still is means that theres still demand for it. Anyways, I think the Philippines definitely satisfies enough of the criteria to be allowed membership.

Macau

'Macao Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China (Chinese: 中華人民共和國澳門特別行政區, Pinyin: Zhōng Huá Rén Mín Gòng Hé Guó Ào Mén Tè Bié Xíng Zhèng Qū, Portuguese: Região Administrativa Especial de Macau da República Popular da China) was a Portuguese colony, and Portuguese is the official language along with Cantonese. Isn't Macau part of Latin Union?

By the way, greetings to Filipino Wikipedians out there. Even though Spanish is not any more spoken in the Philippines, the Spanish culture and language made a big impact on yours. Hence, Philippines is and should always be part of Latin Union. Who knows? Spanish might be adopted again as one of the official languages of the Orient Pearl. Ciao! -- Lee Heon Jin (talk) 18 August 2010, 09:07 (UTC)

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