Talk:LED Throwie

Ummm... someone was kind to add a picture... but its not working! :/ --220.238.150.184 11:33, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

it works

it dosn't matter if they are cheep to produse!

Stop adding that they can negitivly impact the inviroment! almost any cheep, mass manufacturable good can be an inviromental risc. its a given. Youo don't need to be a ginues to figgure that one out.

stop removing legitimate information from the article simply because YOU think its obvious. a paragraph explaining the environmental concerns of such frivolous devices is perfectly apt in this article. besides, we aren't all "ginues" like you now are we? --Deglr6328 04:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Yea a little more NPOV, please

I'm a flaming pinko commie liberal* (mostly) and even I thought that the environemental comments were a little skewed. Almost anything cheap and made of plastic or any other material produces toxic pollution, which is why it's all made in Mexico and China where the goverment doesn't mind killing it's own citizens. Putting a comment on every item about how it's polution value is not worth it's inherent worthlessness is a value judgement not appropriate in this article (Although there are others where it would). Also Lithium and Lithium Compounds while being toxic, are not highly toxic like heavy metals for instance.

(*anybody can claim to be progressive so I would like to prove it with the following links:

Air America Radio, Cannon Fire, Power of Narrative, Crooks and Liars, and Media Matters.)

Tiki God 13:37, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Blinkies are identical to Throwies (magnet too)

Someone put 'sans magnet' for the link to Blinkies. Most blinkies do have a magnet, and are nearly identical to Throwies, only that they are manufactured. I guess this is my fault for not having a picture for Blinkies, but every time I upload a pic (no matter how banal or mundane) someone kills it within the hour AND DOESN'T BOTHER TO TELL ME WHY. Anyway, the biggest difference is that by making them yourself, one can control how they're made (like stronger magnets, bigger batteries). Also this is EN.Wikipedia not FR.Wikipedia :P

Tiki God 23:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I was unaware that most had magnets on them. I have only seen them with out them. my bbad.

Please no Revert Wars

I have to admit that the original environmental comments about lithium batteries were a little over the top, which is why I toned it down but kept it. Now I see you 2 deleting and reverting the NEW toned down version. One thing I noticed when looking up lithium toxicity is that the EU has a much more stringent view about toxic substances, which can make it hard for Europeans to understand the difference between something toxic and something HIGHLY toxic/carcinogenic/teratogenic. Ask a European about Lithium and he will tell you it's right up there with Arsenic, Lead, and Radon Gas. Make no mistake, Lithium is moderatly toxic causing kidney and liver damage at about 15mg/Kg body weight, and leaving it around to leak on stuff isn't good for anyone (especially children). I do an event once yearly, where we hang hundreds of things like throwies on trees in a park and we would never dream of just leaving them there to leak after the event is over. I read that whole Graffiti Research Lab site (it's a cool site) and nowhere do they mention (not once) collecting the Throwies later. Like I put in the new toned down version you can just use IEC LR series batteries (coin cell alkaline) and avoid the whole problem.

(The first person to point out that LEDs themselves contain Gallium and Arsenic without also pointing out that the ammount is microscopic AND is hermetically sealed in plastic (which won't decompose for a thousand years), gets slapped with a trout!)

Tiki God 00:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Also I believe it would be important to note on this issue that most throwies are collected long before they go out. I have placed hundreds of throwies in high and low places, and they are usually gone when I return. In my experience mostly kids interested in "rolling" will snag these as soon as they see them. MCP 18:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)