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Please read again: "if the preimage of every open set of Y is open in X". For your example, the preimage of ]1/4,3/4[ is then {0}U]1/4,3/4[ which is not open.--[[User:133.11.80.84|133.11.80.84]] 07:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC) |
:Please read again: "if the preimage of every open set of Y is open in X". For your example, the preimage of ]1/4,3/4[ is then {0}U]1/4,3/4[ which is not open.--[[User:133.11.80.84|133.11.80.84]] 07:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC) |
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::203: Pass to complements. Suppose f is continuous and take a closed set V. Then the complement of V, which I'll denote C(V), is open, so it pulls back to an open set. But the preimage of V is the complement of the preimage of C(V), so it's closed. The other way: Suppose f pulls back closed sets to closed sets. A similar argument gives you that f pulls back open sets to open sets, so f is continuous. HTH. [[User:Druiffic|Druiffic]] ([[User talk:Druiffic|talk]]) 04:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)Druiffic |
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==Surjective claim== |
==Surjective claim== |
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Sufficient for continuity?
Regarding "...a function f : X → Y is continuous...if the preimage of every closed set of Y is closed in X." at the end of the second paragraph:
Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but in general, preimages of closed sets being closed does not ensure continuity. E.g. for f: [0,1] -> (0,1] where f(x) = x (for x != 0) and f(0) = 1/2, f is not continuous. Perhaps something is assumed that I missed? 203.150.100.189 08:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- Please read again: "if the preimage of every open set of Y is open in X". For your example, the preimage of ]1/4,3/4[ is then {0}U]1/4,3/4[ which is not open.--133.11.80.84 07:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- 203: Pass to complements. Suppose f is continuous and take a closed set V. Then the complement of V, which I'll denote C(V), is open, so it pulls back to an open set. But the preimage of V is the complement of the preimage of C(V), so it's closed. The other way: Suppose f pulls back closed sets to closed sets. A similar argument gives you that f pulls back open sets to open sets, so f is continuous. HTH. Druiffic (talk) 04:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)Druiffic
Surjective claim
Unless I'm going crazy, "An open map is also closed if and only if it is surjective" is definitely not true. Just include X into two (disjoint) copies of itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.0.156 (talk) 00:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Example
I was wondering if isometries in metric spaces are open. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noix07 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 16 December 2013 (UTC)