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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Crovata (talk) 05:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You made 4th revert on the article Kutrigurs, with which violated the WP:3RR and WP:DISRUPT.--Crovata (talk) 01:07, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

August 2016

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Kidarites, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 23:16, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Checking the sources

You added that the Kidarites practice cranial deformation, using The Cambridge Companion to the Age of Attila, Michael Maas, page 185, [1], yet when taken what the previous pages states;

"The Alkon tribes, who dominated the southern wing of the Hephthalite confederation, lived mostly in southern Afghanistan and northwest India. They issued coins showing their leaders with cranial deformation, their skulls elongated into a dome shape, presumably to distinguish themselves from other local peoples." -- The Cambridge Companion to the Age of Attila, Michael Maas, page 184-185.

Clearly this is not about the Kidarites, so why have you presented it as such? --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC) From source 4 [2], same sentence, it is obvious that Kidarites were called Red Huns= Alkons ( page 49). That's why saying "Kidarites were called red Huns(Alkons) and they practiced artificial cranial deformation " is not wrong. Kidarites were displaced by Hephthalites(=white Huns) {check here, page 172: [3]} but they are not the same people - Hephthalites originated from Usuns, while Kidarites were actually little Yuezhi. That's why the guy who wrote initially this article is perfectly right to say : "As a result of "Wusun vultures" descending upon them in Transoxiana, the Kidarite powerbase moved ... " - because actually "Wusun vultures" is the same as Hephthalites. What is the exact difference between Kidarites and Red Huns(Alkons) is not known or at least I don't know. If you know, I would like to hear it.[reply]

This source;

COINS OF THE TOCHARI, KUSHÂNS, OR YUE-TI, A. Cunningham, The Numismatic Chronicle and Journal of the Numismatic Society, jstor.

I find no mention of Kidarite within this journal. Can you provide a page number? --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:34, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

On pages 279-280 you can read that the first king of Kidarites, Kidara or Ki-to-lo originated among the Yuezhi: "(under the pressure of white Huns) ...the little Yue-ti, the descendants of the Kitolo or Kidara, may have retire..." That's why Kidarites are sometimes called Ki-clan, as stated on the 1st line of the article. It is possible that Kidarites were ruling dynasty of the Red Huns.

This source;

Summarized Proceedings ... and a Directory of Members, Volume 31, By American Association for the Advancement of Science, 1882

Terribly outdated and not written by an academic specializing in this particular field of study. --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:52, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Here you may be right, I don't have much experience on WP, but anyway, Avars practiced artificial cranial deformation, I've forgotten from where I know this. How about this source, it is from 2007: [4] - page 24 ? --500ГОДИНИСТИГАТ (talk) 01:36, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~Do you have a link for this source?~~

~~"The Peoples of the Steppe Frontier in Early Chinese sources, Edwin G. Pulleyblank.~~

~~Google books and amazon.com have no listing for this book.~~ Never mind. Found it. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:00, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would advise you to study the topic and sources more carefully. I will explain you in details after a couple of hours because right now I am a bit busy.

Kansas Bear I believe it is sock account of User:PavelStaykov. Several IPs were active these days on related articles, see section above on the Kutrigurs (where with synthesis connected them with Kidarites), and User talk:slakr#Balkan topics.--Crovata (talk) 09:19, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

false accusations and stupid games. You'd better focus on who were the Kutrigurs and what is the difference between Bulgars and Huns because obviously(from your edits) you don't know - can start from here http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?693579-Etnicity-of-the-Bulgars-and-the-Huns --500ГОДИНИСТИГАТ (talk) 01:36, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A video game is not a reliable source and reference for WP:NPOV, do you understand that?--Crovata (talk) 09:46, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Really? I didn't know that. Thank you very much for informing me. How about if you put "Kutrigurs", "Huns" and "Bulgars" as key words on Google books and search a little bit? Or if you don't trust Google you can use DuckDuckGo which doesn't sneak your steps on the Internet. What will be the result? --500ГОДИНИСТИГАТ (talk) 15:27, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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 false accusations and stupid games. You'd better focus on who were the Kutrigurs and what is the difference between Bulgars and Huns because obviously(from your edits) you don't know - can start from here http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?693579-Etnicity-of-the-Bulgars-and-the-Huns --[[User:500ГОДИНИСТИГАТ|500ГОДИНИСТИГАТ]] ([[User talk:500ГОДИНИСТИГАТ#top|talk]]) 01:36, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 :A video game is not a reliable source and reference for [[WP:NPOV]], do you understand that?--[[User:Crovata|Crovata]] ([[User talk:Crovata|talk]]) 09:46, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
+Really? I didn't know that. Thank you very much for informing me. How about if you put "Kutrigurs", "Huns" and "Bulgars" as key words on Google books and search a little bit? Or if you don't trust Google you can use DuckDuckGo which doesn't sneak your steps on the Internet. What will be the result? --[[User:500ГОДИНИСТИГАТ|500ГОДИНИСТИГАТ]] ([[User talk:500ГОДИНИСТИГАТ#top|talk]]) 15:27, 15 August 2016 (UTC)