User talk:Howrad

July 2016

Hello. Some of your recent genre changes, such as the one you made to Pokémon Go, have conflicted with our neutral point of view and verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you seek consensus for certain edits by discussing the matter on the article's talk page. Thank you. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 21:32, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

@Soetermans: I'm not sure why you wrote "first, not discussed on talk page." It was discussed in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pok%C3%A9mon_Go#Genres_besides_Augmented_Reality, and no further argument was made after my last point. We are also discussing another topic: calling it Augmented Reality, which is still unresolved. I know that SP and MP are not mutually exclusive. You can play Contra SP, or you can play it MP. But Pokémon GO absolutely cannot be played by yourself. Read Wikipedia's definition of Single-player video game: "A single-player video game is a video game where input from only one player is expected throughout the course of the gaming session." Pokémon GO always has inputs from multiple players, and there is no way to opt out. Howrad (talk) 22:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

If no-one replies to you, that has not been discussed. Regardless, Wikipedia articles are based upon what reliable sources say, not your opinion or own conclusions.

• GameSpot: "Pokemon GO Devs Still Exploring Multiplayer, Say Players Will Shape The Game"

Polygon: "Pokémon Go's biggest missing features"

• Kotaku: "Pokémon Go Is Missing Features Promised In The First Trailer"

Since Pokémon Go is not played together or against each other at this point, it is not considered a multiplayer game, even if players have some effect on other players' game. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 08:36, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

@Soetermans: Pokémon Go is played both together and against each other at this point. In a gym battle, there is actual simultaneous multiplayer where you can see the Pokémon of other players fighting in real time. The articles you linked to all say something to the effect of "more multiplayer features are coming later." One even says that it is "predominantly a single-player experience," but that article was written a little early, on July 12, and just doesn't reflect what the actual experience of playing the game is like. You encounter other players in the real world all the time, and can talk to them if you wish about what Pokémon can be caught in which direction. People yell "Pikachu" loudly if they see one. It just does not fit Wikipedia's definition of single-player in several ways. Howrad (talk) 18:33, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia uses sources, and that's it. If you can find a several sources that describe Pokémon Go differently, go ahead and add it. But you can't base it upon your own analysis. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 09:08, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

@Soetermans: There are plenty of articles that say "Pokémon GO feels like a single-player game sometimes." Nobody has written an article that says "Despite the fact that Pokémon GO may feel like a single-player game sometimes, it is in fact a multiplayer game at all times and does not fit the definition of a single-player game." I don't expect anyone to ever write this article, because that would be a really odd article, don't you think? Is it sufficient for me to cite articles which demonstrate features that directly contradict Wikipedia's definition of a single-player game? Howrad (talk) 19:08, 1 August 2016 (UTC)