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Jumping the gun on the Today interview

So, today the Today show announced that tomorrow the Today show will have an exclusive interview with Charlie Sheen. That's all the announcement says; readers can see for themselves [1]. Now as a result this article on a living person claims, not that the subject is looking a bit thin in the face, but that the subject has HIV. That is unacceptable, right now, because it is speculation - even though the speculation is found in other sources. I cannot revert this BLP violation due to semiprotection, but it should be reverted. This is not a matter in which Wikipedia should chase rumors, nor should the attitude be to "wait and see" whether this negative speculation is correct. Regardless of whether it might be acceptable - or not - in the future, it does not belong here now. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 20:34, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Edit request

As my requests elsewhere for a revert of this material have not prospered, will an editor able to edit semi-protected pages please edit the page to remove the material added to the section "Substance abuse and legal issues" alleging that the article subject has HIV? To be clear, it is the material added in this diff.

As it stands, this material violates Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and should be removed. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 21:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

 Done I have removed the addition for now. The information can be added back if there is a reliable source. Tad Lincoln (talk) 01:10, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

People Magazine is reporting on tomorrow's big announcement too: http://www.people.com/article/charlie-sheen-hiv-positive-could-exes-sue Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 05:09, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

HIV

Hasn't Sheen now officially stated that he is HIV positive? Why is this information not in the article? FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 09:00, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

I agree, it has widespread coverage in mainstream media, with plenty of reliable sources, at the very least the article should make reference to the widespread mainstream media coverage given over the past few days. http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/16/media/charlie-sheen-today-show/index.html WP:OWN by the Wikipedia inner circle comes to mind here. But don't be too concerned it will be all over soon!:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.131.222 (talk) 09:57, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Charlie Sheen: "I'm here to admit that I am HIV-positive" [2]--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 13:06, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Have you people seriously learned nothing from Caitlyn Jenner and the Diane Sawyer interview? We do not add controversial gossip about living people, no matter how widespread the gossip becomes or how reliable the publications the gossip gets published in are. Period. There are legal reasons for these policies; take it from someone currently taking a university course on media and the law. Much thanks to Samsara for locking this yesterday before the shit got out of hand, and to Ged UK for waiting for responsible sourcing before adding the information back. Wikipedia is not Twitter or TMZ; there is no rush to have information before anybody else. Our information must be accurate, responsibly-sourced, and encyclopedic. Chase (talk | contributions) 13:44, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't know what planet you live on but the basic rule of Wikipedia is that such important information about his health should be added, especially when he openly admitted this to the entire world. Nobody is disputing this, and it's not controversial gossip or rumor but a true fact.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 14:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Now, today, it is a fact confirmed by Sheen. Yesterday when people were reporting this it was a rumor. What if those rumors were false and he was only going on the Today show to promote a new cookbook? This is why we wait to publish contentious information. Chase (talk | contributions) 15:17, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Give me a break! The news articles made it obviously clear that he was going to confirm his HIV disease to the world, which had been known to some for years. You're one of those who want to see crystal clear evidence that ISIS was in fact behind the latest terrorist attack in France before we can add that. Read Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 18:29, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Your idea of "obviously clear" doesn't match with either Wikipedia policy or American libel laws. Chase (talk | contributions) 20:35, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Well, it´s sourced and in the article now. Should it remain in the lead, all things considered? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:09, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Rumors are swirling around the internet from homosexual encounters to prostitutes to drug use all gave him HIV, but he hasn't revealed much about it other than he has it, so wait for the real news to come out then post something about it, it's too fresh right now.2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:E42C:7D5E:31CA:82A0 (talk) 23:57, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Wig

Should the article mention that Sheen wears a wig? (79.67.105.45 (talk) 10:04, 17 November 2015 (UTC))

Do you have any evidence he wears a wig? It doesn't sound like the kind of detail an article would normally include. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 10:15, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

It's true that whether a person wears a wig or not would not normally be included in a Wiki bio, but this guy is an actor, so it's a major part of his appearance, which in turn is a major part of his career, so it would be appropriate in this case to include whether or not he wears a wig.Betathetapi545 (talk) 20:55, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Photographs show he is actually seriously balding. (79.67.105.45 (talk) 10:33, 17 November 2015 (UTC))

Saying it doesn't make it true. You need a source. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 23:13, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Charlie Sheen revealed he's HIV positive on the Today Show

Please add him to Category:People with HIV/AIDS.

Protected edit request on 17 November 2015

The last sentence of the introductory paragraph ends with "having been diagnosed four year previously".

"Year" should be "years".

Greynose (talk) 13:33, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

I've just logged in for the same reason. "having been diagnosed four year previously". Obvious missing "s" there. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 13:41, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

"In" should also be "on", and the date should be MDY format since Sheen is American. I would also propose moving this information out of the lead, or at least working it into the paragraph before it. Chase (talk | contributions) 13:47, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

 Done by Sarahj2107. I've never had an edit conflict on a protected page before. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:14, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

His Tattoo Collection

I propose a section that would describe Mr. Sheen's extensive tattoo collection as his tattoos say plenty about his life and his views.

His tattoos include:

• Charlie Brown on his right chest
• The New York Yankees logo on his left shoulder
• The phrase "Death from above" in the middle of his chest — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queens Historian (talk • contribs) 18:48, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Typo

He said in an interview that the were '3 hard letters to absorb'. [7]

Also, the quote should be in double quote marks. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 16:02, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Relevant category

Please add the category: "Category:People with HIV/AIDS" to the article, per his public declaration, and information referenced in the lead. Juneau Mike (talk) 16:45, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Pornography

Should the article include his ex-wife's claims? (79.67.115.88 (talk) 19:08, 17 November 2015 (UTC))

Health Situation

Should more information be added on his current state of health? Or that he is HIV positive? Not sure if it is relevant enough to add more information. Anyways, here are some reliable sources:

• http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/17/health/charlie-sheen-health/
• http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/business/charlie-sheen-hiv-positive.html?_r=0
• http://www.businessinsider.com/charlie-sheen-confirms-hes-hiv-positive-on-today-show-2015-11
• http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3321991/Charlie-Sheen-CONFIRMS-HIV-positive-bombshell-Today-interview.html

Cheers, Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 19:19, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Says he slept with more than 5,000 women, and paid more than $10 million in blackmail money to keep his HIV status a secret

This info should be included in the article.

Since the article already says that Sheen said it's "impossible" that he infected anyone with HIV, as a counter point, it should also mention that he claimed to have slept with more than 5,000 women.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12000585/Charlie-Sheen-to-make-personal-announcement-reports-HIV-positive-live.html

"Despite sleeping with over 5,000 women, by his own admission, Sheen said it was “impossible” that he had infected anyone."

The same article also says:

"The 50-year-old had been subjected to rumours about his health for months. But on Tuesday he went on live television to say that he had been diagnosed four years ago, and was speaking out partly to end blackmail which has cost him more than $10 million (£6.6m)."

Brock88734 (talk) 20:08, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Is there any reason to believe that ANYTHING that he says is true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.215.115.31 (talk) 23:17, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

He and his brother Emilio Estevez have been bragging about sleeping with that many women since the late 1980s. This is something many American men claim but its usually just to gain attention, especially women's attention. Based on his natural character and actions (e.g., paying $10 million to people to keep his HIV disease a secret), we shouldn't add such wild claims.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 00:45, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Undetectable=sexually non-infectious

add the sentence below after "On November 17, 2015, Sheen announced that he was HIV positive, having been diagnosed roughly four years earlier.[106] He said in an interview that they were "three hard letters to absorb".[107] He manages his condition with a triple cocktail of antiretroviral drugs, and he stated that it was impossible that he could have infected any partners.[citation needed]" HIV Transmission Risk Essentially 0 if Heterosexual Partner Has Undetectable Viral Load — Preceding unsigned comment added by S3003 (talk • contribs) 01:22, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

• Mathematically 0.1 is essentially zero, you would infect one person in ten coupling events. Mathematically 0.01 is essentially zero, you would infect one person in one hundred coupling events. Mathematically 0.001 is essentially zero, you would infect one person in one thousand coupling events. He had over 1,000 events. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs) 4:34, November 18, 2015 (UTC)

  Fixed ref error causing signing to break and changed answered parameter to yes as the request has been answered by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) --Stabila711 (talk) 20:25, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

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