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Edit Request - brief, 2nd paragraph: As a french, I'm surprised that the date of France Foundation isn't even mentioned, the baptism of Clovis in 496. Also Germanic tribes didn't arrive in 476, that's the date of the fall of the Roman Empire. Here is my proposal: " The Germanic Franks arrived in 476 and formed the Kingdom of Francia, which became the heartland of the Carolingian Empire. " -> "Germanic tribes took over the territory after the fall of the Roman Empire in 476. Clovis, King of the Germanic Franks, managed to reunite the most of it under one Kingdom. In 496 he converts to the Christian religion, thus allying with the Gallo-Roman people and funding the first Kingdom of what will become later France and its first dynasty of Kings, the Merovingians, followed three centuries later by a second dynasty, the Carolingians, whose Charlemagne founded his Empire." My sources are just French Wikipedia articles. Thank you
In the third paragraph: "Higher education is divided between public universities and the prestigious and selective Grandes écoles, such as Sciences Po Paris for Political studies, HEC Paris for Economics, Polytechnique and the École nationale supérieure des mines de Paris that produce high-profile engineers, or the École nationale d'administration for careers in the Grands Corps of the state" Among the examples of Grandes écoles, I think that it should be interesting to add "École normale supérieure for academic research". Indeed it is one of the most esteemed schools in France, and the leader for research. A link to the page of this school: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/École_normale_supérieure_(Paris) Thank you. Edit Request - [Education] section: In the last paragraphe of the section [Education], it is stated "Health insurance for students is free until the age of 20." France has Universal Healthcare which although has some affiliation with concepts of insurance due to partial reimbursements of fees and costs, it is free and provided regardless of age or income. It is also comparatively very low cost. Because of the above, it is misleading and even erroneous to bring into the article claims of age restrictions or even notions of insurance policies which, especially US audiences, evoke false images of potentially costly personal healthcare through [private] insurance companies. I suggest removing any text regarding health insurance in regards to the education section as it is not relevant to the French educational system. Cdelapointe (talk) 20:31, 28 February 2018 (UTC) Edit Request - Law section: "France is tolerant of the LGBT community. Since 1999, civil unions for homosexual couples are permitted, and since May 2013, same-sex marriage and LGBT adoption are legal in France.[99]" to be removed: LGBT adoption is Legal Same sex marriage is legal in France since may 2013 but LGBT adoption is legal, it's actually the subject of larges debates ("manif pour tous" vs "Anti Manif pour tous"). Edit Request - Literature Section: "Jean de La Fontaine is one of the most famous fabulist of that time, as he wrote hundreds of fables, some being far more famous than others, such as The Ant and the Grasshopper."he is stupid and is awesome. Upon reading the article on "The Ant and the Grasshopper" - Fontaine was _reinterpreting_ Aesop's Fables. Edit request Hi, in the fourth paragraph of the introduction, there is a link that states France has the fourth largest nominal military budget, but when you click on the link the article states it has the fifth largest budget. Could someone check please. Cheers In the Prehistory section, it states: "The oldest traces of human life in what is now France date from approximately 1,800,000 years ago." Sorry, but humans have not been around than long. Wikipedia's own article on humans states they originated in Africa some 200,000 years ago, one 9th of the time stated in this article. The citation is 25 years old and is now obviously superceded. Plus one: +1 : this is assertion in not only completely stupid but based on completelty outdated references. Please delete.92.144.185.233 (talk) 22:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC) Edit request In the economy section, it says "France derives 75% of its electricity from nuclear power, the highest percentage in the world.[138]". Can someone put a better source, the source given claims that France makes 39% of electricity from nuclear, in complete contradiction with the article. France is known for bacon. Maybe this one: http://www.iaea.org/PRIS/WorldStatistics/NuclearShareofElectricityGeneration.aspx Up to date and reliable. The real figure is 73%. Liberivore (talk) 16:14, 24 June 2014 (UTC) Edit request The lead needs more than a single sentence on the history of France.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 18:13, 17 October 2014 (UTC) Edit request in the Religion section The paragraph begins with: is the Roman Catholic cathedral where the kings of France were crowned until 1825.[235] ]] This text should be below the picture instead of in the paragraph, please correct it. 194.98.34.59 (talk) 12:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC) Edit request - Foreign relations section Last paragraph: "In 2009, France was the second largest (in absolute numbers) donor of development aid in the world, behind the US, and ahead of Germany, Japan and the UK.[145] This represents 0.5% of its GDP, in this regard rating France as tenth largest donor on the list." According to OECD (http://www.compareyourcountry.org/%5C/oda?page=0&cr=oecd&lg=en) in 2014, France is listed fourth largest donor, behind US, UK and Germany. This represents 0.36% of its GDP, in this regard 12th largest donor.87.212.145.228 (talk) 21:51, 29 November 2015 (UTC) |
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Electronic music
there is also Laurent wolf that is a very popular electronic music producer
- In a way, you are right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.176.240 (talk) 08:05, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
Languages
I am seriously disappointed by the fact that the language section only talks about French. Must I remind you that France is a linguistically diverse country.
Statistics
At the 1999 census, INSEE sampled 380,000 adult people all across Metropolitan France, and asked them questions about their family situation. One of the questions was about the languages that their parents spoke with them before the age of 5. This is the first time serious statistics were computed about the proportion of mother tongues in France. The results were published in Enquête familiale, Insee, 1999.
Here is a list of the nine most prominent mother tongues in France based on Enquête familiale.
| Rank | Language | Mother tongue | Percentage of adult population |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | French | 39,360,000 | 86% (note that this figure is an underestimate because people under 18 years of age were not surveyed; see note #2 below the table) |
| 2 | Germanic languages (Alsatian, Lorraine Franconian, etc.) |
970,000 (of whom Alsatian: 660,000; standard German: 210,000; Lorraine Franconian: 100,000) |
2.12% (of whom Alsatian: 1.44%; standard German: 0.46%; Lorraine Franconian: 0.22%) |
| 3 | Arabic (especially Maghrebi Arabic) |
940,000 | 2.05% |
| 4 | Occitan language (Languedocian, Gascon, Provençal, etc.) |
610,000 (another 1,060,000 had some exposure) |
1.33% (another 2.32% had some exposure, see notes) |
| 5 | Portuguese | 580,000 | 1.27% |
| 6 | Oïl languages (Picard, Gallo, Poitevin, Saintongeais, etc.) |
570,000 (another 850,000 had some exposure) |
1.25% (another 1.86% had some exposure, see notes) |
| 7 | Italian, Corsican and Ligurian (Niçard) | 540,000 | 1.19% |
| 8 | Spanish | 485,000 | 1.06% |
| 9 | Breton | 280,000 (another 405,000 had some exposure) |
0.61% (another 0.87% had some exposure, see notes) |
| 10 | About 400 other languages (Polish, Berber languages, East Asian languages, Catalan, Franco-Provençal, Corsican, Basque, West Flemish, etc.) as well as those who gave no response |
2,350,000 (of whom English: 115,000) |
5.12% (of whom English: 0.25% of total adult population) |
| Total | 45,762,000 (46,680,000 including those with two mother tongues who were counted twice) |
102% (2% of people have both French and another language as their mother tongue, thus, they are counted twice) |
If we add up people with mother tongue and people with some exposure to the language before the age of 5 (see note #3 below), then the five most important languages in metropolitan France are (note that the percentages add up to more than 100, because many people are now counted twice):
- French: 42,100,000 (92%)
- Occitan: 1,670,000 (3.65%)
- German and German dialects: 1,440,000 (3.15%)
- Oïl languages (excl. French): 1,420,000 (3.10%)
- Arabic: 1,170,000 (2.55%)
Notes on the table
- The data in the table are about mother tongues, and not about actual language practice. It states that 14% of the adult people living in France in 1999 were born and raised up to the age of 5 in families that spoke only (or predominantly) some other languages than French. It does not mean that 14% of adult people in France spoke some other languages than French in 1999.
- Only adults (i.e. 18 years and older) were surveyed. This means that French people born between 1981 and 1999 are not included in the survey. The mother tongue of the younger generations is more predominantly French than is the case with the older generations, because as the Enquête familiale survey explains, regional and immigrant language transmission decreases dramatically with each new generation, as French replaces the regional and immigrant languages. In the Enquête familiale survey, only 35% of parents whose mother tongue was a regional or immigrant language reported they spoke that language to their children. Thus, the 86% figure of people with French as their mother tongue is an underestimate because the younger generations whose predominant mother tongue is French are not counted.
- The concept of "mother tongue" may not give a complete idea of the phenomenon of minority languages in France. This is because there are many people who were born and raised in families in which parents spoke to them only (or predominantly) French, but in which some regional or immigration languages were also occasionally used. One dialects was occasionally spoken. Some of these 1,060,000 people may speak Occitan as fluently as the 610,000 people who have it as a mother tongue, while some other (the majority, probably) have only a limited knowledge of Occitan. We cannot infer from this that 1,670,000 adults are speakers of Occitan, but it may be the case that the total number of people with some form of exposure to Occitan is higher than the 610,000 figure, though some of this number may have abandoned the language since then.
Edit request 3.7.2013 Population should be corrected
Estimated total population of France is 66 200 000 (1st January 2012). It should be noted that currently cited INSEE number does not include Mayotte or COM (collectivités d’outre-mer).
Source: http://www.insee.fr/fr/ffc/ipweb/ip1385/ip1385.pdf
From page four: Le champ géographique du bilan démographique de 2011 reste la France métropolitaine et les DOM, mais sans Mayotte, dont la transformation en département d’outre-mer date du 31 mars 2011. En ajoutant les 803 000 habitants des collectivités d’outre-mer et de Mayotte, la population des territoires de la République française au 1 er janvier 2012 est estimée à 66,2 millions d’habitants.
EEZ - contradicting information
The fifth paragraph says that France has the world's largest EEZ. However, under the Geography heading, it says that France has the 2nd largest EEZ.
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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:37, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
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