Talk:Tiësto

Why no mention of Dennis Waakop Reijers-Fraaij in the article?

Maybe I missed it but - Why is there no word of him? He clearly came out (as well as Tiesto) and admitted he is/was behind Tiesto's success from 1997-today, meaning he composed his music for him.

http://www.hifi.nl/artikel/1939/De_muziekbeleving_van..._Dennis_Waakop_Reijers.html

(English translation from Dutch)

Tiësto

"My first serious remixes I made the late nineties, when Tiësto came into the scene. I learned to know him around the summer of 1998. We knew each other yet, but a friend of mine who worked in a music case had tipped me to Tijs. They asked me as a test if I have a remix request for him could do. He was already known, the end of'97 had already been on Inner City and in'98 he was a headliner. I stood by the test fairly quickly and then we are fairly intensive work together. " -- Dennis Waakop Reijers

'The Band'

"In 2001 we Tiësto first album together produced. We are working since then with two on the production and compositions. Behind them is still a small group that takes care of all the surrounding issues. But with just two, we are responsible for the numbers. Tiësto called us' The Band '. In my contract states that I have for others or myself can do things, but in practice I can not stand. Furthermore, we are a strong team together, that the sin is not to use the combined forces. " -- Dennis Waakop Reijers

"Most people know me. I am totally unknown, except in the production world of course...I find it really nice in the shadow of Tiësto States. I am left alone and can do without me someone will ask for a signature. Of course, sometimes I get called fanmail, or requests from other artists." -- Dennis Waakop Reijers

Now even Tiesto admits this during an interview:

As you’re always on the road, are you creating your own track edits?

"Definitely. In the last year, I’ve been on the road mostly on the weekends, mostly in Europe. And then the rest of the week I’m in the studio. I’ve been working with a producer for seven years, [including on] the last album. His name is Dennis Waakop-Reijers. We work great together as a team. He couldn’t make the music without me and I couldn’t make the music without him." -- Tiësto

Source : http://www.urb.com/features/788/GettheMessage.php

-- Gouryella (talk) 12:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

What is his childhood nickname?

The article says "now known simply as "Tiësto", an alias which is a twist on his childhood nickname" but the reference does not state what the nickname is. I can see some similarity between Tijs and Tiësto, though. In doubt, I would remove the reference and replace it with a 'needs reference'. --Elecnix (talk) 17:53, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I found the source that originally sourced the information, but still could not find out an exact nickname. ASOTMKX (talk) 01:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Broken links

This article has a lot of broken links. I've tried to fix some of them but this is harder than for most articles, I think because some of the sites referenced are under construction/discontinued. If the broken links can't be replaced with other references, we'll have to delist as a good article, Tom B (talk) 23:19, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Nyana

This album is only mentioned after the fact, with no mention of it during the actual time of release. This should be updated. MXVN (talk) 10:57, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Tiësto/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

The main criteria it fails is sourcing/verfiability. Currently has a lot of broken links, i noted this on talk page a little while ago - have tried to fix but more difficult than normal as the sites originally used seem to be discontinued. Article also has style tag. Tom B (talk) 16:33, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

This article has a number of issues as noted above. Specifically as listed below. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 23:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

I shall be assessing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for reassessment.

Checking against GA criteria

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   Contains too much un-encyclopaedic information. Needs to be completely rewritten in a neutral encyclopaedic style.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

• Seven dead links have been tagged for some time.
• ref #2 [1], what makes this a reliable source?

- Replaced ASOTMKX (talk) 05:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

• ref #6 [2] is a forum , not RS

- Replaced ASOTMKX (talk) 05:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

• ref #7 [3] is a wordpess blog, not an RS

- replaced ASOTMKX (talk) 05:30, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

• ref #8 [4] is a tripod.com site, not RS

- replaced ASOTMKX (talk) 05:39, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

• ref #9 [5] bebo is not an RS

- removed ASOTMKX (talk) 05:49, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

• ref #11 [6], what makes this a reliable source?

- removed ASOTMKX (talk) 06:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

• ref #12 [7], what makes this a reliable source?

- removed ASOTMKX (talk) 05:51, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

• ref #14 [8], no information supporting statement

- removed ASOTMKX (talk) 05:53, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

• ref #28 [9] Google Answers is not an RS

- removed ASOTMKX (talk) 06:05, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

• In fact very few of the references here are RS, so I will delist immediately

1. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Too much minutiae

2. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Article contains a large amount of fancruft, no critical reception

3. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

4. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   What encyclopaedic content is aded by File:Tiesto at london 02 arena.jpg and File:Olympic flame at opening ceremony.jpg?

5. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Quickfail on grounds of a large number of unreliable sources. Note also the outstanding fancruft tag, which has not been addressed. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 00:10, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

"Death"

The Beeb report that he's had to deny rumours of being killed in a car crash. See:
DJ Tiesto denies online 'dead' rumours
Worthy of a mention? Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) 13:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

No. APK whisper in my ear 22:25, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough :) Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) 22:11, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Minor typo

The section relating to Tiësto's current era of music development (correctly Kaleidoscope) is spelled wrong, lacking a D. As minor as that is, it's noticeable. I wouldn't waste space on the talk page if it wasn't protected. Please fix this, and thanks for your time. Aexis Rai (talk) 22:07, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Silly, it wouldn't been faster to fix it yourself than post about it here. You do not need permission. 64.85.243.248 (talk) 16:36, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

This was actually not a silly request, as the page logs indicate that the page was protected until 21 October 2010. I'm assuming Aexis wasn't autoconfirmed at the time. Airplaneman ✈ 08:35, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tiësto/GA4. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: — Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:24, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi all, I will be reviewing this article against the GA criteria. So revert back to me if you do not understand something about the review. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:24, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I do have to fail this article for the huge amount of unsourced content, unreliable sources, recentism littered content and voerall, a structural incoherent that is present. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:36, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Not to mention the MoS issues for reference formatting. I suggest a strong Peer review of the article because this is not close to GA at all. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:36, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Mayberg, 5 April 2011

Tiesto came out with a new compilation series today and it was renamed weeks ago from A New Dawn to Club life That is the update from March 25th Here's another source

It's called Club Life Volume One - Las Vegas Great compilation album

Also tracklisting here 1. Henrik B feat. Christian Älvestam – Now & Forever (Original mix) 2. Tom Hangs feat. Shermanology – Blessed (Original mix) 3. Cazzi Opeia – I Belong To You (Axel Bauer And Lanford remix) 4. Steve Forte Rio feat. Lindsey Ray – Slumber (Original mix) 5. Lune – Girls With Bangs (Tiësto remix) 6. Rebecca & Fiona – Bullets (Club Mix) 7. Dune – Heiress Of Valentina (Alesso Exclusive remix) 8. Tiësto vs. Marcel Woods – Don’t Ditch (Original mix) 9. Amy Meredith – Young At Heart (Angger Dimas remix) 10. Alex Sayz – Faces (Original mix) 11. Moguai – We Want Your Soul (Thomas Gold remix) 12. Boys Will Be Boys – We Rock (Original mix) 13. Tiësto & Hardwell – Zero 76 (Original mix) 14. Kaskade – Fire In Your New Shoes (Sultan & Ned Shepard remix) 15. Tiësto vs. Diplo – C’mon (Original mix)

Update His page! This is a great album. All the best, -Mayberg Mayberg (talk) 20:00, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Done You may wish to create a separate page for the new album; I couldn't find one. — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 01:15, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Jzona18, 15 May 2011

Tiesto is now associated with "Boys Will Be Boys" as he stated himself in his Club Life Podcast episode 214

Jzona18 (talk) 19:02, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Bility (talk) 19:47, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Why musician?

Why is this person classified as a musician? As far as I can tell, he plays no musical instruments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.28.125.242 (talk) 18:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Club Life: Volume One Las Vegas (2011) is not studio album!

It's mix compilation album! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.101.129.165 (talk) 00:27, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Allure

I think that there should be more information regarding his alias Allure. Either that or create an article for it. He has now released an album under the alias but it isn't mentioned anywhere. 64.196.17.59 (talk) 14:56, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Manardson (talk) 14:29, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

    That is true i agree with that opinion, to say the least Tiesto has in fact released a number of tracks under the ‘Allure’ alias in his dj career, none of which are on this page.

musical style

You should add progressive house to his genres in the biography, thanks

      If we are inclined to follow the dj genre guidelines we should also include progressive trance, dance and maybe chillout.

Manardson (talk) 14:31, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 January 2012 due to recent updates

On Aug 1, 2011 the video Tiësto feat. Kay - Work Hard, Play Hard (AutoErotique Remix) tiesto's youtube channel notes that: 1. The Kaleidoscope World Tour was the biggest dj only tour in history, featuring over 150 dates across 6 continents and an estimated total live audience of over 1 million. 2. Tiësto feat. Kay - Work Hard, Play Hard is the world's first music video to be created entirely using fan footage from live shows.

Source: Tiësto feat. Kay - Work Hard, Play Hard

Manardson (talk) 14:50, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Sorry. Youtube is not a reliable source for information. Celestra (talk) 06:12, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Not entirely true. See WP:YOUTUBE. A more apt rationale for this would be WP:RS in the sense that it comes from a first party source. Coming from a first party source as opposed to a third party source, the claim is rather dubious. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② 18:28, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Citations Needed

Hi. Some citations need filling. Dated FEB 2012. I'll leave the info up for 2 months for someone to fill.Danceking5 (talk) 01:18, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Recent edits to the "Present" section

I just registered here because this annoyed me that much. I didn't know I needed to be here 4 days and have 10 edits to fix this, but oh well.

The section consists of many unsourced claims and bad English. I would be grateful if someone removed/changed this section. Also, the section title shouldn't be in italics.

Examples:

The album is trance style, the style Tiesto has left behind, and in which the title refers to, "A kiss the past," a joy for Tiesto's old and new fans.

Tiesto always use this song for the end of his performances, and possibly the one that puts more energy into his concerts right now.

Lukini (talk) 23:04, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Just go ahead and change it yourself. No need to wait, since it is viable. The grammar is HORRIBLE, I agree.

By the way Lukini, I used 'As At' for a reason. it implies at that time, as we don't know the future for 2013 results. It's not gramatically incorrect.Danceking5 (talk) 09:19, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 June 2012

What I want to remove: Steve Forte Rio as an alias

What I want to add: "Despite common thinking that the anagram of “Steve Forte Rio” is “Tiesto Forever”, this alias does not belong to Tijs Verwest. The latter co-wrote with Steve “A New Dawn” single, and short tracks from “In Search of Sunrise” compilations, and the remix for JES. Everything other under the name of Steve Forte Rio has nothing to do with the name Tiësto."

Note that what I want to add is taken straight from the source below.

Source: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Steve+Forte+Rio Also, by checking out both of their Twitter pages one can easily deduct my conclusion.

My apologies if my request lacks the quality, direction and details expected in the wikipedia-community. Carl-johan.blomqvist (talk) 13:11, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I do not regard that website as reliable Mdann52 (talk) 15:37, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 June 2012

There needs to be an edit for the sentence with the 10th reference. There is no such thing as trance house or house trance. Tiesto used to play trance, and now plays commercial house. With all of the genre confusion these days I feel that this page should at least get the information correct.

107.1.51.5 (talk) 19:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.21:15, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Tiesto played very little German Trance back in the day. What you think is Trance is usually Eurodance. And yes, there is such a thing as Trouse. (Trance House). There is no such thing as House Trance, you are correct about that. The term Trouse emerged in the 1990s.Danceking5 (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Gossip Column - Citation Request

Added many citation requests. 2 Months available for editors to back up Original Research. This page is filled like a gossip column, with what seems like written by loyal tiesto minions, collecting his sweat in a jar. Please provide citations if inserting data to this page.Danceking5 (talk) 22:41, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Can someone please monitor this Nick guy stalking me. He's a new follower, beginning to revert all my edits. Nick, I hate to break it to you, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that only allows CITED published material. The reason I am inserting these requests for citation, is to prove that the infomration is or isn't ORIGINAL RESEARCH. I'm sorry but this is just how Wikipedia works, regardless if you think the data is contentious or not. Even the DJs themselves, that I am referencing, aren't allowed to have their minions come on here and create a gossip column for them. Wikipedia is not a gossip column written by fans of DJs, who want to start a career in journalism. Wikipedia is also not a free advertisement mechanism to be used by 'dj followers' keeping tabs on their master. Also Nick, please stop editing in your sneaky way so I can't go and revert your work. It creates a lot of work for me to cut and paste each old section. Respect other peoples work. When you provide a citation, do not use this as an opportunity to delete all other citation requests in the paragraph. Please provide the citations for each sentence please. I will remind you Nick, that it is important that the data is legally sourced. Wikipedia technically might be sued otherwise, and none of us want this.

RE: DISCOGS AS A SOURCE. Discogs is a viable source, as a recording is technically published. However, discogs as a citation cannot be used as a makeshift source to support original research. Meaning if a writer fathoms delusions in his head, about a specific release, then publishes it on Wikipedia, the data has to clearly be accessible visually on discogs, and be absent of peacock minion terminology. What I mean is, the writing on Wikipedia could state: "John Doe released a CD titled Rave Mania in 1993. Then provide the citation. But if a DJ worshipper starts obsessively writing hype about their master, this ORIGINAL RESEARCH is not allowed - hence we are getting into gossip column territory. Wikipedia is not the National Enquirer.Danceking5 (talk) 22:42, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

EDIT - Life and Musical Career - Present

Please remove the following: On June 13, his studio album Kiss From The Past was released under his alias Allure. It was released on Tiësto's own label Magik Muzik. The album featured artists such as Christian Burns, JES, and Emma Hewitt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.117.156.231 (talk) 20:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request 1 October 2012

The listed pronunciation of his stage name appears to be incorrect. It is shown as (/ˈtʃɛstoʊ/ CHES-toh; Dutch pronunciation: [cɛsto]). I don't know if that is the correct Dutch pronunciation (I don't think it is) but it is certainly not the pronunciation he uses (as can be seen on countless interviews/youtube videos). Please change the listed pronunciation to the correct pronunciation.

I would make the change myself but am not quite sure of how exactly it should be changed. Thanks, Jonnyh6 (talk) 07:58, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Not done: as your request is vague. Please consult Help:IPA for Dutch and Afrikaans. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:46, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I found the Dutch pronunciation: "Dutch pronunciation: [tiɛsto]" (http://www.tiestoblog.com/biography/) but unfortunately I am not familiar with English phonetics/phonemes and am only moderately familiar with Spanish phonetics/phonemes. In Spanish the correct pronunciation would be written /tjes-to/ I think (I am unsure of the dipthong). I know I'm still being a little vague but what I am asking is for someone who actually knows the IPA to change the listed pronunciation to the right one instead of the currently incorrect listed pronunciation. If I was an expert in the IPA, I would do it myself rather than ask here.

Jonnyh6 (talk) 02:37, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I changed the IPA notations, but the Dutch still needs stress. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 03:43, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Pronunciation

A discussion moved from a talk page:

Tiësto

Hello there.

The transcription you stubbornly keep returning into the article is impossible from the point of view of the Dutch phonology. If Tiësto were to consist of three syllables, as you appear to falsely believe, the word would still be pronounced [tiˈjɛstoː], with a glide after the i. The pronunciation with a hiatus is impossible here from the point of view of the Dutch phonology. As the Dutch linguist Geert Booij points out in his book The Phonology of Dutch, "Two adjacent vowels within a Dutch prosodic word are very rare" (p. 65). Further on, "The inserted glide has the same properties with respect to backness and roundness as the preceding vowel... :

After unrounded front vowels:

dieet /diet/ 'diet' [dijet] bioscoop /biɔskop/ 'cinema' [bijɔskop]..." (p. 66).

Let's listen to native speakers pronouncing Tiësto here, here and here. Each and everyone of them clearly pronounces the DJ's artist name as a two syllable word. In other words, the letter i stands for the phoneme /j/ and not for the /i/. The /t/ and the /j/ phonemes together produce the [c] sound (it's present in the table by Carlos Gussenhoven from The Radboud University Nijmegen at the Journal of the International Phonetic Association online, see also the same sound in the Dutch word ketjap under that table.

I'm surprised you've been so tenacious about something concerning a language you don't even seem to be familiar with.

87.210.232.221 (talk) 11:46, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

1. 1 [ˈtjɛsto]
2. 2 [tiˈje̞sto]
3. 3 (Male from Netherlands) [tiˈjɛʂto]; (Female from China) [ˈtʲjɛsto]

These were the pronunciation in order from your links. The one you insist on transcribing is non-Dutch or at least written incorrectly. Clearly all of them don't pronounce the final vowel longly. Your transcription [ˈcɛstoː] does not suggest that it is correct especially for the final [oː] which appears like someone calling at him, "hey Tiestoooooooo, how are youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu," which is not the pronunciation in a normal situation. You can't shout out the loudest unless you change the proper pronunciation a little, like pronouncing Mahmud as [mæħˈmuːɔ̯d], rather than properly [mæħˈmuːd]; another example in a song someone shouting stay with me, 'cause every star that I see... [ste̞ːɪ̯ weːð me̞ːɪ̯   kʰʊ̈ˑz ˈɛvɹi stɑːɹ ðæːɾ aɪ̯ se̞ː], rather than [ste̞ɪ̯ wɪð miˑ   kʰɔˑz ˈɛvɹi stɑˑɹ ðæˑɾ aɪ̯ siˑ]. Anyway, did you notice that the third link had two careless pronunciations? That discussion reminded me of someone who posted to me pronunciations by Egyptians, arguing with me that those are proper citation for an ideal Egyptian pronunciation when their pronunciations were very unstable, they pronounced the same words differently each time!

• The conclusion is that only the first two pronunciations appear to be correct and careful for Dutch. I couldn't see the page in the book you cited as I had to buy the book, but the general information available about the Dutch /t/+/j/ if their combination were to change their pronunciation, they would give either [tʲ] or [t͡ʃ], not [c]. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 15:06, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Organizer of "Norefjell Party" is dead.

The organizer of The "freak" Norefjell party in Norway, died earlier this year. Early in Tiestos carieer, he made the track "Theme from Norefjell" inspired by it.

Realities enter the techno scene aswell.