User talk:MSGJ/2016

Nishant

In 2010 you fully-protected this page.

Please consider reducing the protection to pending-changes or semi-protection (or both) and putting an expiration date on it (I suggest 1 year - if there is no attempted abuse during that time then let it expire). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:15, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

I couldn't see exactly why this page was protected, although it has been deleted multiple times before. So I reduced to semi protection. Best regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:29, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Liam Payne

There have been reverts, including this month. Renew PC? --George Ho (talk) 05:04, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Renewed for 6 months, it seems to be working. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:22, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978-present)

Hello! Under MOS:DASH, I believe Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978-present) should actually be at Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present). I would move the article there myself, but... Anyway, as the admin who move-protected the article I thought I'd let you know... Thanks! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 08:51, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

I see you couldn't wait for my reply and asked somewhere else. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:24, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Template:US patent reference - Espacenet database problem. Can you help?

I made some recent edits to an inventor's page and tried to use the template Template:US patent reference. On doing so, it created a URL for the Espacenet database, but it appears that the patent is not in there. Specifically, it's a 1937 patent that appears in Google's database, but searches for the patent number come up blank just like the URL from the template. For now I'm using both the template with the bad URL and the Google URL as a separate reference.

In the template's talk page, there is a discussion between you and User:Cxw way back in 2010, but since she/he is on hiatus I'm hoping you can direct me towards someone who can help.

Do you know who could give me advice on this? Assuming there's no way to fix the database, what template should I use?

Thanks in advance, KNHaw ^(talk) 23:06, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

You dope!

	You dope, I sent a POTSTICKER!
	Thank you for editing the page (should be marijuana dispensary) cannabis dispensary. Potguru (talk) 16:40, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Ism schism edit warring

Hi, I see you have dealt with User:Ism schism before, who seems to have an extensive history with edit warring (and block log to match). The user is adding one-sided biased material to controversial articles (that often are under 1RR) like Bashar al-Assad and Sectarianism and minorities in the Syrian Civil War, deleting huge chunks of referenced material that they apparently disagree with, making accusatory edit summaries, and making reference to non-existent talk page discussions to justify their edits. I really don't want to deal with this as I am hardly active on Wikipedia anymore, but this is becoming an issue as they are spreading their pattern of dogmatic edit warring to more and more articles. Nulla Taciti (talk) 15:46, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any major problems. It doesn't look like 1RR has been breached. He/she has been contributing to some discussion on talk pages, but I can't see that you are engaging in any discussion - your last edit to the talk namespace was June 2015. I suggest you start posting on the article talk pages and work this out with him/her. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:30, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Draft:America: Imagine the World Without Her

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Template talk:Short pages monitor

You may be interested in the discussion at Template talk:Short pages monitor#Need to define and possibly rethink this template. —Anomalocaris (talk) 23:45, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Talkpage

Hi MSGJ. Thanks for the note. I'll happily stay away from the user's talkpage concerned (I guess a self-imposed IBAN). Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 09:48, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

How about undertaking not to call editors trolls when you disagree with them? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:15, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

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Template:Cleanup section

Hi, I thought the norm was to have them as a banner, not a small container.
Such as the following:
Template:Refimprove section
Template:Advert section
Template:Weasel section
Template:Rewrite section
Template:BLP sources section
Template:Fringe-section
Template:Importance-section
Template:Summarize section
Template:Specific-section
Template:Repetition section
Template:POV-title-section

I found some that are similar to the current state of the cleanup template, but there's easily a smaller amount:
Template:Expand section
Template:Empty section
Template:News release section

There are more for both sections, I assume. As you can see there are a lot more with banners than small box-like designs. Anarchyte (work | talk) 09:15, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

I agree that consistency would be good, and it might be an idea to gauge consensus on which design is preferred. For background, the small design arose after a long discussion (see Template talk:Expand section/Archive 1#More subtle style) but this was quite a long time ago and a revisit might be in order. Perhaps a first step might be some further research into how many of each type are used. I'll see what I can come up with. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:23, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Would it be against the rules to be bold and just change them all? Or is consensus required; if so, where would the discussion be placed? Anarchyte (work | talk) 00:54, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

No, please don't be bold, there has been a lot of debate on this over the years, and you would annoy a lot of people. Check out the talk pages for each of the templates that you list above, and also those of their non-section versions; in several cases there are threads on this exact matter, sometimes two or more - one asking to make it small, another asking to make it big. Check the archives too, such as Template talk:Unreferenced/Archive 12. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:29, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

I've created a tracking category Category:Articles using small message boxes to see how many articles are using these small boxes. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:53, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Followup

@MSGJ and Redrose64: I've created a discussion at the Village pump here. Anarchyte (work | talk) 10:20, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

I'll make a comment shortly — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:03, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Redirect categorization

Hi Martin! You've been interested in redirect categorization and the This is a redirect template in the past, so I wanted to let you know that there is a discussion at Template talk:This is a redirect#One parameter that might interest you.  Good faith! Paine  20:55, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

A situation

Hello. At Shooting of Samuel DuBose, I am in a 2-editor dispute where the other party refuses to leave his edit out until consensus is reached for it. The article has very low activity, and I'm not optimistic about getting more participation in the discussion, at least anytime soon. I believe the content may be a WP:BDP issue, given that the person died 7 months ago and a murder trial is pending. Regardless, I think status quo ante should be restored here, but I can't do that without continuing the edit warring. Please help. ―Mandruss ☎ 03:13, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks so much for ignoring my request for assistance. I won't call on you again.
The other editor's edits have been reverted by one of the two other editors (not admins) I called on. For over 19 hours the article contained material that, depending on which editor you ask, violated one or more of BDP, BLPPRIMARY, BLPCRIME, NOR, and WEIGHT/NPOV. It could easily have been longer, if they hadn't been so quick to respond, or if the matter had remained under discussion for awhile with the disputed edits in place.
This is why the concept of status quo ante is so important. Disputed edits should stay out until consensus is reached for them, and an admin should be willing to intervene to make that happen. If that principle can be abused in bad faith, too bad. The solution to that is not to avoid the principle but to stop showing so much tolerance for the people who abuse things in bad faith. ―Mandruss ☎ 23:07, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Not ignoring, just too busy to look into it. I'll take a look today! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:50, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks?

I would thank you for protecting the template; however, it seems an unrequired reaction given that there's consensus on the edit and hence no further editing is needed on the template in question. So, other than a bit of power here and there, I see no need for it. Alex|The|Whovian^? 15:26, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Just an FYI

I altered one of your comments on AN/Talk to move my username to where my opinion positions it. I wouldnt normally do it, but just wanted it made clear since my sarcasm may have been a bit too obtuse before. Regards. Only in death does duty end (talk) 14:13, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I suspected that is what you meant, but it was not quite clear enough to make the call ;) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:23, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Magioladitis

Please see a section I have recently created at User talk:Magioladitis. — Carl (CBM · talk) 14:59, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I took a look. Next time someone should probably block and take it to Arbcom. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:01, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

OK. WP:CITE and WP:COSMETIC are not the same argument. WP:CITE is not covered by AWB's rules of use right now. Moreover, I do not like Carl's tactic to isolate a few edits from the general editing pattern. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:23, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

I fixed almost 3,000 pages with duplicated references. In how many pages I used two runs? 30? OK. Big deal. And yes Carl was wrong. He did not even check the pages he has in his own watchlist for errors. He did not even bother to see what I tried to do. His complain was invalid because my edit was not against WP:CITE. So the main argument of the complain was just wrong.

Here it took 7 edits to clean the page completely. (It's an extreme example) Yeah I could do better. I wonder if some people think this is a valid argument to complain/block/ban. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:33, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

And no I am not judging Carl for not fixing the obvious duplicated reflist error. I judge the tactic to complain for me not fixing it within a specific time frame. I have some paages in my list I would like to fix from several errors. This duplicated content was there for 2 years. I completely removed it 11 hours after I first visited the page. Is this something I have to be punished for? I was not quick enough? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:37, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, we all know how block-button happy MSGJ is, so I wouldn't be surprised. Cassianto^Talk 13:39, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 2 March

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User:Mr. Granger, can you help with this error please? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:58, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry about that. I forgot the archivedate parameter in one template. To fix it, please change {{cite news |url=http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=125429 |title='Pause for Cause' Picks Creative Contest Winners |publisher=MediaPost |date=5 April 2010 |accessdate=5 May 2010 |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20100407091119/http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=125429}} to {{cite news |url=http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=125429 |title='Pause for Cause' Picks Creative Contest Winners |publisher=MediaPost |date=5 April 2010 |accessdate=5 May 2010 |archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20100407091119/http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=125429 |archivedate=2010-04-07}} —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:09, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:19, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

College football / soccer football biography infobox

Hi. Earlier today you kindly copied over the contents of Template:Infobox_football_biography/college to Template:Infobox_football_biography. Unfortunately, there were two missing "{" characters in the code. I have updated the /college template. Please could you copy over the contents again? Sorry about that. TheBigJagielka (talk) 22:01, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

@TheBigJagielka:  Done. Next time just raise an {{editprotected}} as it would get the fix applied more quickly than waiting for me to come back online! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:38, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Time Person of the Year

Howdy, Administrator MSGJ. I'm not certain if this personal request is out of order. But, would you be willing to monitor the goings on at that article & its talkpage? Sometimes, things can get a tad confusing there :) GoodDay (talk) 15:03, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

I doubt I have the time to do much, but I'll add to my watchlist. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:38, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks :) GoodDay (talk) 11:59, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Ifexist not redirect

I noticed that you protected {{Ifexist not redirect}} under the reason of "Highly visible template: now highly used". For a template only just created, where is it being so highly used now? And does this mean that I can't edit a template that I've created myself? By the way, the documentation ought to be updated with it's modified usage. Alex|The|Whovian^? 21:38, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

I have used it on Template:WikiProject banner shell (915275 transclusions) and Template:WPBannerMeta/comments (4717699 transclusions) so yes I think it probably does need that level of protection, although I understand that may be annoying to you. I'll update the documentation, thanks for the reminder! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:46, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Noinclude on templates

I won't revert your edit to Template:New unreviewed article, but please be aware that consensus notwithstanding, that local consensus goes against the broad consensus of WP:TFD, which says not to use noinclude tags. I understand, however, why this template may be an exception. By the way, your best move would have been to simply close the deletion discussion. Debresser (talk) 20:43, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

We should not be sticklers for rules, but feel free to use our common sense! I haven't looked at the TfD, I'm more concerned with the way that the TfD notice became substituted onto articles at the moment (see [1]) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:49, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

The unusual small line above the template. Not intrusive or confusing. As I said on the talkpage, should not bother anybody, as Fred Gandt agreed with me. But okay. Debresser (talk) 23:43, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes, initially Fred Gandt seemed to agree with your position, but then in futher comments he clearly showed that he did not agree with you ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:15, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Debresser that the text of the transcluded notice is clear and not reasonably confusing, but not that it should be transcluded. I personally don't think that kind of notice belongs in the article space, even though clearly the transclusion of the notice in that manner is by design; at some time there was probably a discussion that led to the functionality, so my opinion runs contrary to implied and perhaps explicit consensus (aww). In this particular case though, the TfD is preposterous (and I don't consider that a matter of opinion) and shouldn't being publicised with clutter on new articles likely by new editors which are already under scrutiny. fredgandt 10:12, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Transclusion of TfD notices to articles is not in itself a problem; it's a good thing, because it raises awareness of the ongoing TfD. What is a problem is if the template that is up for TfD is designed for WP:SUBSTitution, and in such cases, there must be a <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the {{Template for discussion/dated}}. This is covered at WP:TFD#Listing a template, about halfway down box I. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:00, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Importing the form of infoboxes in English Wikipedia to Kabyle Wikipedia

Hi, and sorry for my bad English. I would like to import the general form of infoboxes from English Wikipedia to Kabyle Wikipedia (a Kabyle language version of Wikipedia, with a very small number of active users). I tried to copy the Module:Infobox and Template:Infobox and I succeeded, but the problem is that the Infoboxes appear in the left of the page and not in the right. Could I have some help? Thanks, Issimo 15 (talk) 16:58, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

I think you'll need to copy all the infobox definitions from MediaWiki:Common.css as well. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:53, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Cowtown96

Cowtown96 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) - They have reverted me again, and have continued to add seals and change infoboxes to various politician articles, despite my request they propose and discuss these changes first. - ^theWOLFchild 22:35, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chaz Knapp

I'm going to ask that you rewrite your close there. I was the nominator at AFD but I didn't do the move. Legacypac did the move but didn't nominate the page for deletion. Your close implies that this was a coordinated plan between the two of us to have it moved and deleted. I closed the MFD, Legacypac moved it to mainspace an hour later, tagged it and ten hours later, after fixing the screwed-up MFD notice (since it was moved), I then nominated the page for deletion at AFD where it's been taken back. You can argue about moving bad drafts into mainspace but I don't think those are being moved for the express purpose of starting a discussion at AFD to have it deleted there. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:39, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Actually, this is exactly what has happened in the past, e.g. Graffiki was moved into mainspace by Legacypac and then three minutes later was nominated at AfD by him. I'll take another look at Chaz Knapp and look at rewording the closure. I didn't mean to imply you were actively colluding in this regard. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:30, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

As I explained at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Back_on_point, that was the prior case. The two other cases weren't that. I would agree that "moving an article you believe to be unsuitable into mainspace is disruptive" is appropriate, the AFD implication is not. This is all stupidly moot since the userspace page was later deleted by DGG under U5 but given the reverts to my relistings and repeated draggings to ANI over "admin deletionist gameplaying at MFD", I'd prefer to not leave any vague insinuations out there. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:41, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

I've reworded the close, basically using your suggested words above. Hope this is satisfactory. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:34, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Perfect. That's all I ask. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 18:26, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Blindspot (TV series)

It seems as if another user has come along to revert the formatting I implemented a week after the discussion. When they restored the previous reversion, I reverted in good faith with a solid explanation, but they continued to revert under the impression that I have modified comments. I've ceased any further reverts and posted on their talk page with further explanation; I await a reply. However, I think that some sockpuppetry may be involved, as three different but similar IPs have contributed on this particular issue (217.248.20.109, 217.248.0.219, 217.248.22.214). Alex|The|Whovian^? 12:27, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

I wanted to leave this alone, but the bullshit accusation of sockpuppetry is too much. Maybe you should ask for a checkuser? Oh right, that doesn't make sense, because only accounts can sockpuppet. Alex, step back, and don't touch other editor's comments ever again.-217.248.22.214 (talk) 12:36, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Here is the diff in question.-217.248.22.214 (talk) 12:38, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Please remain civil. This is simply an informative message to MSGJ, not a discussion in itself. An official third opinion has also been requested. Alex|The|Whovian^? 12:40, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

No time to look into this now I'm afraid, but I suggest you both find something more productive to do ;) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:56, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

I'd love to.-217.248.10.121 (talk) 10:10, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Ditto. Alex|The|Whovian^? 11:30, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Simple: Stop mucking with my talk page comments, as promised in your unblock request.-217.248.10.121 (talk) 12:05, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

This still isn't a discussion page. Take it elsewhere. Alex|The|Whovian^? 12:10, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Now you think of that?

I looking forward to your response elsewhere then.-217.248.10.121 (talk) 13:04, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

March 1932 lunar eclipse Rating

I rated the page March 1932 lunar eclipse as a stub and of low importance. 78.148.76.115 (talk) 16:44, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Template Multiple issues 2

Hi. However misguided Boghog is to have created {{Multiple issues 2}} for use in Acetone peroxide, it's temporarily slightly better than using the sandbox of {{Multiple issues}}. If any work is done (by anyone at any time) to the sandbox, the result will be immediately seen in Acetone peroxide, which is clearly not appropriate - Multiple issues is protected for a reason.

Multiple issues 2 was correctly tagged for speedy deletion, and should have been deleted by now for obvious reasons. Acetone peroxide should be using the consensus agreed templating of Multiple issues but trying to put that right turned into a minor edit war.

My attempts to find a solution to these problems have failed, but without question, I hope you can see that, Acetone peroxide should not be utilising a template sandbox for anything. I therefore ask that you revert or understand the reverting of your edit to redirect Multiple issues 2 to Multiple issues/sandbox - which needs to should happen as soon as possible. fredgandt 17:35, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Okay, it is not an ideal situation and I have already advised Boghog that they are being disruptive. But I don't think you need to stress about it. (Will all come out in the wash.) Cheers — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:03, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

A kitten for you! CounterTime (talk) 11:20, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Well thank you. What did I do to deserve such a cute kitten? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:21, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

In regard to Moving unsuitable drafts to mainspace

Taking a look at the broader picture:

• User:Abigail48/Clive Matson/Clive Matson Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clive Matson restored to userspace per User talk:Sarahj2107#Clive Matson/User talk:JohnCD#Clive Matson
• User:Aaaloco/Solitaire & Mahjong/Solitaire & Mahjong Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Solitaire & Mahjong restored to Draft:Solitaire & Mahjong per User talk:Michig#Solitaire & Mahjong
• User:Trekie9001/Duplekita/Duplekita Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Duplekita restored to Draft:Duplekita per User talk:Ymblanter#Duplekita
• Unicity Productions/User:APBAnimals/Unicity Productions)
• Hack n' Smack Celebrity Golf Classic in Memory of Kerry Daveline/User:Kerry's girls/Hack n' Smack Celebrity Golf Classic in Memory of Kerry Daveline)
• Play It Strange Trust/User:Strangewiki/Play It Strange Trust
  • These three were restored to userspace per Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion#Unicity Productions, Play It Strange Trust, and Hack n' Smack Celebrity...
• User:Acresant1123/Chaz Knapp/Chaz Knapp Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Acresant1123/Chaz Knapp/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chaz Knapp (both were keep) then it was speedied; in the process of restoration at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 March 31#User:Acresant1123/Chaz Knapp
• User:Abstractmindzent/Graffiki/Graffiki in the process of restoration at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2016 April 4#Graffiki
• User:Kemdflp/richard d'anjolell/Richard d'Anjolell planned restoration per User talk:Malcolmxl5#Richard d'Anjolell
• User:Aj2001/Der-shing Helmer/Der-shing Helmer still waiting on a reply, User talk:Missvain#Der-shing Helmer
• User:ARQLA/Regalia/Regalia (Condominium) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Regalia (Condominium) considering taking it to DRV, User talk:Sandstein#Regalia (Condominium)
• Special:log/Godsy 10 page moves reverted preemptively as they probably would have been deleted shortly as the content clearly wasn't suitable for the mainspace as is required.

I've worked to cleanup all the inappropriate deletions because of page moves from the userspace to the mainspace of content clearly not suitable for the mainspace above. It looks like you found some additional problematic page moves (e.g. User:Akeefe98/Joseph Summer). Where all of the above issues based on problematic moves originate can be seen at Special:log/Legacypac. Two of the pages restored have been nominated for deletion by the same user who inappropriately moved them, Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Solitaire & Mahjong and Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Duplekita (see also: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 2#User:Trekie9001/Duplekita at RfD and User:Aaaloco/Solitaire & Mahjong a speedy deletion request). My actions to clean up their "mistakes" (I'll call them that per extreme AGF and CIVILITY, though some of them can be explicitly shown not to be, and are in some of the links above) have been called into question at AN/I by said user. I noticed your most recent comment at their talk page regarding this matter was on April 4. If the inappropriate moves haven't stopped, they need to, because they are leading to out of process actions which are creating work for the community. Best Regards,—Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 00:25, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

The inappropriate moves from the userspace to the mainspace are happening again. I reverted another move that was clearly not suitable for the mainspace. Another recent move has been nominated for deletion. Special:Log/Legacypac.—Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 07:40, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry to slam you with all this information here. I'd have replied at User talk:Legacypac#Moving unsuitable drafts to mainspace, but I didn't think it would be welcome there.—Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 18:34, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

From Miss Click

Thanks for catching that. I must have, well, yes, misclicked. Cheers. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:17, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Requesting update to Antivandal tool script

Hi MSGJ, I'm requesting an update to Lupin's Anti-vandal tool script at User:Lupin/recent2.js. The field recent2.userIsSysop should include a check for whether the user is a rollbacker, because rollbackers can use admin rollback. (it's also faster than non-admin rollback javascript anyway). (recent2.userIsSysop). Also wouldn't it make sense for the tool to ignore the user's own edits as well?? (recent2.ignore_my_edits = true; /*instead of false;*/) Thanks. — Andy W. (talk · contrib) 17:52, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

I just realized that the reason I cannot edit the script is not because I'm not an admin... right? I'm assuming there's a new policy about editing another user's js files? So perhaps I should simply duplicate the script myself and import my own version, then. Let me know if you have a different suggestion. Thanks anyway. — Andy W. (talk · contrib) 18:02, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

@Andy M. Wang: Not a new policy, it's always been the case that if you're not an admin the only .js and .css pages that you can edit are those that are subpages of your own user page. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:35, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Thanks for letting me know. I've since made a personal script with the change. — Andy W. (talk · contrib) 23:37, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

I've commented at User talk:Lupin/Anti-vandal tool — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:03, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Template:User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis

Dear User:MSGJ. Thanks for your interest for the {{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis}} template. But, to tell the truth, this template was only edited once since 2013... and don't seems to be the target of any attack. Moreover, this template (and its master, the {{User:ClueBot III}} template) are less and less used due to a complexity wall when modifying the back-links after a move. Perhaps could you help with this problem, that appears to be the actual threat ? Best regards. Pldx1 (talk) 19:59, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry I don't understand the last two sentences. What is meant by "complexity wall when modifying the back-links"? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:00, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

See User:ClueBot_III#How_your_page_is_archived. Pldx1 (talk) 21:10, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

DDG-121

nevermid

Please at least put the pages (a & b) back to status quo before he started his silly anti-comma-crusade page-move-war. Can't have every decision go against me. - theWOLFchild 15:26, 5 April 2016 (UTC) Have you see this? - Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Dicklyon and his treatment on commas before Jr/Sr. Apparently he's on a project-wide rampage against commas. Meanwhile, are you going to move the articles back to where they were until a decision is made? Since it seems now that this affects more than just this page, it make take awhile. If we follow basic BRD, he moved, I reverted, it should stay the way it was until resolved. Add to that the policy, refs and other ships I noted on the talk page, it would seem prudent to move to the pages back to where they where. - theWOLFchild 16:17, 5 April 2016 (UTC) Some further digging has shown that the page should be moved back to the original title (with comma) per WP:MOS; Where more than one style is acceptable, editors should not change an article from one of those styles to another without a good reason. Edit warring over optional styles is unacceptable.[b] If discussion cannot determine which style to use in an article, defer to the style used by the first major contributor. There is also this RfC at the Village Pump; please note the closing comments by Drmies. It's clear the pages should be returned, based on WP:MOS, WP:JR (& supporting RS), WP:OSE (& supporting ship articles), and the RfC at WP:VP. Of course there's also the article talk page as well. Thank you. - theWOLFchild 18:02, 5 April 2016 (UTC) It would be better if the wolf would join the discussion that I've pointed him at, on implementing the consensus decision in WP:JR, and make a case there for why this article should be treated as an exception to the guideline. Dicklyon (talk) 18:14, 5 April 2016 (UTC) Seriously, you need to stop following me to every page I go to. It's called WP:WIKIHOUNDING. Before I go anywhere, you need to go back to the DDG-121 talk page and explain why you feel the guidelines here don't apply to you and your bizarre war on commas. - theWOLFchild 18:19, 5 April 2016 (UTC) Anyone home? I'm not sure when you're coming back, but I can't say the USS Frank E. Petersen, Jr. page is any better from the way you left it. Through basic enabling, Dicklyon has made multiple, unconstructive changes, all geared to the "war on commas". I've had to leave the article for fear of being labeled as edit-warring. I created that stub yesterday and now I can't even work on it. As soon as you return, you need to review what has taken place there, along with his contribs in general (all geared towards removing commas) and, the closely-related issues at his talk page (1, 2 & 3) and ANI (4). Along with all those, I'm sure you were aware of his recent standard offer? Or the disruptive page moves and subsequent ban on page moves (and socking) that led to his recent indef in the first place? I'll leave to you, as an admin, to determine how his recent behaviour should be dealt with, in light of both the surrounding issues and recent history. For my part, all I'm asking is that the page be return to status quo, as it should have been in the first place and how I've since clearly demonstrated is should be per WP-guidelines. I would like to resume working on it without any further harassment. Thank you. - theWOLFchild 21:07, 5 April 2016 (UTC) Apparently so... I see you've been active since I posted these comments here, and while I still wonder if you're ever going to respond, mainly I would just like to the pages moved back to where they belong; USS Frank E. Petersen, Jr. is the article, USS Frank E. Petersen Jr. is the redirect - as per the all the supporting guidelines noted above. They are in the incorrect places due to your page moves, please correct them. - theWOLFchild 16:39, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

It's clear you are deliberately ignoring my requests here for a response (and ignoring WP:ADMINACCT, again). I'm not going to waste anymore of my time here.. Disregard my previous posts. - ^theWOLFchild 22:08, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Template:ArbComBlock Template:Ivory messagebox

Hi User:MSGJ I just noticed that your last [2] to Template:Ivory messagebox broke the Template:ArbComBlock image as you can also see in the Template:Ivory messagebox/testcases. Just thought I'd point it out so it could be fixed as I don't have the ability/permission to fix myself. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 11:36, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. It was using an undocumented parameter in a strange way ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:10, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Category question

Why did you remove the suspected hoax category in the Guingon Group of Companies article? TheGGoose (talk) 03:15, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @TheGGoose: I expect that it was because it was added as a bare category, instead of by using the {{hoax}} template, which is the proper way since it produces a warning message as well as categorising. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:01, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

I was thinking of that too; the solo category addition is a mistake. TheGGoose (talk) 14:26, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Redrose is correct. And as it was already listed as AfD, I decided that the hoax tag would be superfluous. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:11, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Special:Diff/713877054

Hi MSGJ, you recently made the above edit to Template:Casenav. I've reverted it – just temporarily – to ask you if you meant to change the appearance of the box or if you just meant to switch to the mbox. In any event, your edit created a significantly different look and feel (white instead of ivory, ~80% width instead of 100%, etc.) that should recieve ArbCom's, or at least the clerks', consent. Thanks. (This edit is in my role as an arbitration clerk, but I am not acting on behalf of the full Committee here.) Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 13:41, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Kevin. I did indeed intend to switch it to standard mbox colors, although I did not envisage this would be controversial. The rationale is to use the width and colors consistent across Wikipedia for these kind of header templates, so a sort of off-white (#f9f9f9) on the project page and the yellowy (#f8eaba) on talk pages. Is there anything you don't like about it? I reject the notion that I should get permission before editing this template, but happy to discuss with you or anyone else interested on the template talk page. Best regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:36, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Martin! I've started a discussion at Template talk:Casenav#Changing the header to an mbox; please feel free to chime in. I've also sent a mail to clerks-l about this. Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 20:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Have now replied there — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:16, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Milli's edits

See their talk page, as I think they might be on the right track, but ended up breaking many page histories in the process. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 09:41, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Why does {{Kazan Metro|right}} cause all that breakage? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:44, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Because I overhauled the template to allow for it to better fit into the infobox and to make it look a bit better. As such, it should have never been on the station article to begin with, so I was in the process of removing it when you started doing the same. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 09:47, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

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Template:Editnotices/Page/List of Islamist terrorist attacks

Hi MSGJ. Two months ago, you removed the background color from the edit notice at List of Islamist terrorist attacks, asking "is the yellow background needed". I believe it is. Without any color, the edit notice is hard to see, and in the two months since you changed it, new editors have added about two dozen incidents that were either not attributed to Islamists or not described as terrorist attacks by reliable sources. There's no way to know, of course, but I think there might have been fewer had the edit notice been more... well, noticeable.

I'd like you to reconsider your decision and restore the color to the edit notice. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 20:36, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Will respond shortly. Sorry for the delay — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:56, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

@Malik Shabazz: I am not too worried about this particular template. My general concern is about consistency with all edit notice templates. I believe that all of them should be yellow, or else none or them should be yellow. Do you think that your rationale for making this editnotice yellow could equally apply to all edit notice templates? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:47, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I created the editnotice based on Template:Editnotice for lists of people, which still has the line you deleted:

textstyle = font-size: 110%; background: #ffeebb

That template is in use on hundreds of editnotices.

— Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:03, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Any thoughts, MSGJ? — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 01:45, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I hadn't noticed your message earlier. As I said, I have no concern about this particular template. If you want to revert, then please go ahead. Personally I think the yellow is a little garish, and the way it only extends across part of the background doesn't look too professional. But please do whatever you like with it. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:07, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. — MShabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 12:03, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Breach of editing restriction that you enacted.

You may recall that you enacted an editing restriction against Wtshymanski just over a year ago. Wtshymanski, has started breaching that editing restriction, including reverting an IP editor, but disguising it as a regular edit. There is an ANI on the issue at here. It is suffering from a lack of adminstrator action. Could you please take a look? 212.183.128.147 (talk) 15:58, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

It looks like this has been resolved. I have commented on the user talk. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:37, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Please comment

Please comment on my proposal here. Debresser (talk) 18:32, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

/Comments subpages and archives

Hello, you've probably noticed what I did to your edits from the notifications ... yes, I really have Talk:SpongeBob SquarePants/Archive 1, Talk:Jimmy Wales/Archive 1, and Talk:Harry Potter/Archive 1 on my watchlist. But seriously, it's probably a good idea to put the comments in an archive where they at least kinda fit in chronologically ... unlike the Harry Potter one, where the last message was from 2003. After dealing with the second page, I realised that there's no need to put them in chronological order with the other comments, as that hadn't been done before on non-archived talk pages, but I guess they're OK where they are. Graham87 11:25, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Graham. No I hadn't noticed because I made those with my alternate account and haven't logged in to that account today! I have some code which places the notice on the first archive page whose last revision is dated later than the last revision of the comment page. Obviously it's not a perfect system as we can see from Harry Potter because it has has edits (by yourself) in 2010, but it did save me considerable time and I didn't think it mattered too much. Anyway thanks for sorting those ones. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:30, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

No worries ... ah I see now, your main account's name is all in uppercase whereas the other one is in lowercase ... so they were indistinguishable to me with my screen reader (and I didn't notice the "redirected from ..." text at the top of your talk page). Graham87 11:35, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Template editing

Since you approached me, I figured you'd be a good reverse-approach. You might want to see if BU_Rob13 might be a good candidate for the user right, given his extensive TFD work. --Izno (talk) 13:39, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Sure. Maybe we should ask him first though ;) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:12, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

That's how my suggestion should have been interpreted. :P --Izno (talk) 16:22, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:51, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Selly Oak Park

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Martin, it has been over a month since you last posted to this nomination, and nothing has been done either to the (woefully undersourced) article or to supply a new hook. It will be marked for closure unless you take action right away. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:26, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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Template editor

Hi, MSGJ. I've been thinking about reapplying for the template editor flag - is the guideline for six months since one's last block a necessity (per WP:TPEGRANT), or would it be alright to reapply now? Since you lifted my block early three months ago, I've made a solid effort to cease any edit warring, I haven't had a single warning, and I've always taken it to discussion. What do you think? Thanks. Alex|The|Whovian^? 14:05, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Have just returned from travelling, and will reply shortly ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:55, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

All those rules are just guidelines and discretion can be employed. I'm happy that the edit warring has stopped. Suppose you were granted TE on condition that it could be immediately revoked on any future breach of 3RR? I could support something like that. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:20, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

I would definitely support such a condition. Alex|The|Whovian^? 09:02, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Template editor 2

Cheers for that Martin, don't know how often I'll need to use it but it should make things a little easier. :) PC78 (talk) 23:44, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Ha

You're so crazy; adding that badger file while moving the discussions :D :D Thanks for shifting the discussions though. See you around. Lourdes 02:11, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Template:Wikipedia Help Project/class

Hi Martin, can you please check your edits to this template? The project is using a rather specialised assessment scale which applies to non-mainspace content, it looks like their banner was set up so that pages in the Help talk namespace default to unassessed rather than NA-Class, and your edits appear to have broken this behaviour. Cheers! PC78 (talk) 02:23, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

I can't remember why I made this change and I can't see any relevant discussion around that time. It seems your analysis is correct, so feel free to revert if it's important. Cheers — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:43, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:In the news/2016 RD proposal

Hello Martin. You indicated that you would be prepared to close this RfC. You have since gone silent on it. I realise that the sudden burst of edits may have dissuaded you, although it seems clear that they were posited on a mis-reading of the whole proposal, including the vital words "No other changes to the section at Wikipedia:In the news#Recent deaths section are proposed. " which never featured in the repeated copy-and-paste of the RfC wording. It would be helpful, at the very least, if you would indicate if you are no longer interested in doing this as we will need to seek closure from another admin, and your pause is no doubt preventing someone else from stepping in. Thanks for your initial interest. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:11, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm still willing to close it, and have not been dissuaded by any recent edits. I just haven't had much time recently. Anyone is welcome to close it, but I'll get to it when time allows. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:51, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for letting me know. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:55, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Never mind, job done. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:04, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

RfD close RfC requiring admin

Hi MSGJ. Could you explain your rationale that this discussion has consensus that an admin must close the discussion in question? I see clear consensus to overturn, but I don't see consensus that the new close must be by an administrator. If that had been a serious issue brought up by many in the discussion (rather than just Nakon, which is the only user that appears to have taken issue with the non-admin status rather than the close itself), I would have argued strongly against it because it contradicts the much wider community consensus at this RfC which states RfCs should not be overturned merely because the closer is a non-admin. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 18:14, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

It seems you are correct - there wasn't anyone else calling for an admin closure. I'll amend my wording shortly — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:31, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for taking another look. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 20:13, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

WT:Dispute resolution noticeboard/request

See this recent trouble report by User:Felsic2. Is this MediaWiki:Gadget-DRN-wizard.js? I notice you made a change to the DRN wizard on 18 July. Any chance it could be related to the recent complaint that the person can't save the form? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 21:54, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

User:Enterprisey, please comment on the above — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:13, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping! Commenting there. Enterprisey (talk!) _{(formerly APerson)} 22:29, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Delete when empty

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Nomination for merging of Template:No documentation

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Template talk:WikiProject banner shell/redirect

Just looking for some feedback on a thought I had last night. :) The idea is to have the banner shell do an initial check to see if the subject page is a redirect; if it is then the {{blp}} and {{activepol}} templates are disabled and instead it displays {{talk page of redirect}}. Does this seem like a good idea, or do you forsee any problems? Cheers. PC78 (talk) 12:29, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

@PC78: can't think of any reason not to do this! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:52, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Ha-ha, I'd forgotten all about this! I suppose the only down side would be having to pass the two parameters though the banner shell, though maybe that's not really a problem? PC78 (talk) 00:07, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by the above. Which two parameters and in what sense are you "passing them through"? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:05, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

{{Talk page of redirect}} uses a couple of optional parameters, they would need to be added to the banner shell. PC78 (talk) 10:37, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

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