Talk:Europa Clipper

Updating Profile Picture

The mission has been decided to run on solar power and I have updated the article to reflect that choice. Therefore, updating the profile picture to a version the spacecraft with solar panels will provide viewers with a more accurate depiction of the envisioned spacecraft, but I am not sure how to do that. MKUV (talk) 11:40, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Removing copyvio text

I've removed some text, first a couple of days ago, and again just now. There seems to be confusion about what text is PD and what isn't.

• http://www.planetary.org/blogs/casey-dreier/2013/20130905-no-asrgs-for-europa.html is not PD, it is copyright, and must not be used verbatim, it must be paraphrased, also be careful of close paraphrasing.
• http://futureplanets.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/europa-clipper-update.html is not PD, it is copyright, and must not be used verbatim, it must be paraphrased, also be careful of close paraphrasing.

I have no idea why the content has been replaced with the edit summary "Re-writing, paraphrasing and referencing to comply with WP:Public domain#Government works, Thanks." but it is wrong, neither of the sites listed above are government, or government affiliated, the first is the website of "The Planetary Society is a registered 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization." and the second is the a personal blog, who states " I don't have any formal tie to NASA or planetary exploration (although I use data from NASA's Earth science missions in my professional work as an ecologist)." The close paraphrased/verbatim text that I identified in my DYK review as being from NASA I left, as that is acceptable, the content I removed is by no stretch of the imagination PD, and it worries me that you think it is. Liamdavies (talk) 04:52, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

What does "PD" mean? 2602:306:BDA0:97A0:466D:57FF:FE90:AC45 (talk) 22:26, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

"PD" means Public domain - Ninney (talk) 22:56, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Importance

I've revised the importance of this article for WikiProject Spaceflight from Low to Mid, and added to the article a section explicitly discussing launch options. Both of these are because the importance of this mission takes on a new meaning (i.e. added politics) in the context of it being a possible payload for SLS. (sdsds - talk) 00:00, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you can substitute the probe's image by one displaying solar panels, and not RTGs. CHeers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 03:05, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Mission name

@Vesna Wylde: Hello. NASA's Europa mission is called Europa Clipper, and it can be referred to as the Europa mission just as the Apollo 11 was a "Moon mission". The name remains "Europa Clipper" in NASA's web site and there is no news release to the contrary. Why we don't see you arbitrarily renaming New Horizons mission as the Pluto Mission, or the Curiosity rover mission as the Mars Mission? Thank you. BatteryIncluded (talk) 15:58, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

@BatteryIncluded: Show me where, in recent sources, that the mission is referred to as Europa Clipper. The official JPL website had been renamed from Europa Clipper to Europa Mission, NASA definitely do not refer to it as Europa Clipper anymore, opting instead to describe it as "Mission to Europa" instead, and many old social media pages for the mission, including Twitter, have been renamed from Europa Clipper to Europa Mission. Recent press releases by NASA regarding the mission have failed to mention the Europa Clipper name, again, opting to call it Europa Mission or "Mission to Europa": 1 2 3 From what I can see, Europa Mission may be a tentative name of sorts; but one thing is clear: the Europa Clipper name is no longer used. Your claim that it is still referred to by NASA as Europa Clipper is not supported. A bit of research can go a long way. PhilipTerryGraham ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 16:15, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

So NASA describes the Europa Clipper as a "Mission to Europa" and YOU, unilaterally, decide to scrap the official name. Open the NASA web site and type Europa Clipper: [1] (Last Updated: 17 June 2015.) You have not showed that the Europa mission changed name. Again, the news media is hailing right now the "Pluto mission", so will you next change New Horizons article name to The Pluto Mission? BatteryIncluded (talk) 16:31, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I have showed that the Europa Mission's name was changed through many sources from NASA and the JPL themselves. The website you linked was to the Solar System Exploration site, which honestly isn't as reliable and not well managed. Note how bringing up a on the Solar System Exploration website lists many cancelled missions and duplicate pages. Note how, when one searches for missions with titles beginning with the letter "E", there's both Europa Clipper, the one you linked to, and another one, the Europa Multiple Flyby Mission, which is actually an identical page for the same mission, but under a different name. Guess which one of the two is actually the main page for the mission? Indeed it is Europa Multiple Flyby Mission. It is listed as the future Jupiter mission on the site, NOT Europa Clipper. If anything, this proves that the mission now has another name: Europa Multiple Flyby Mission. Although, since the Solar System Exploration webiste isn't that relaible of a source, it needs to be corroborated by another source, in my honest opinion.

Also, more importantly, your persistence in suggesting that I would rename other articles erroneously is a personal attack. DO NOT make accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. I definitely feel uncomfortable by your unnecessary aggression. In no way whatsoever did I rename the article for a purpose other than to correctly update the article. I gave you six different, recent and reliable sources from NASA and the JPL. There is simply no reason for you to claim that I didn't prove anything, and there is definitely no reason for you to start talking slack towards me. I hope this isn't how you normally act towards others in a discussion. Philip Terry Graham 17:16, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I you want poetry, listen to Neil Diamond. So the latest NASA update is unreliable to you, and after your very exhaustive and "honest" research you changed the name yet again to another description: "Europa Multiple Flyby Mission". If you can't use common sense, step back, please. I will not entertain any further your obtuse comments. BatteryIncluded (talk) 17:24, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Dude, what on Earth are you even talking about? Were you even reading and understanding anything of what I wrote? The Solar System Exploration Website isn't "the latest NASA update", what I've been sourcing earlier were "the latest NASA update[s]". The mission is no longer refereed to as Europa Clipper. If you are less interested in further discussion and more interested in attacking me, I have no choice but to simply ignore you, since you won't provide any other proof that the mission is still being referred to as Europa Clipper. Again, I seriously hope this isn't how you normally act towards people in a discussion. Philip Terry Graham 17:34, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

So the media [2] is unreliable, and NASA Solar System page is not NASA? This is what I am talking about, you are obtuse and looking to engage into a war edit. I think you are going to have to deal with this in a more appropriate venue. BatteryIncluded (talk) 17:52, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

I never said that it wasn't NASA, nor did you ever link that article beforehand. The article you posted is a reliable source, however, it's dated from March 2015, a few months before the Europa Mission was finalized for development in May 2015. It was around this time that NASA started dropping the Europa Clipper name. Again, there is no reason to call my actions "obtuse" and claiming that I am attempting to engage in an edit war. You simply need to calm down and think more about discussion of content more than blindly attacking me. Philip Terry Graham 18:16, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 28 July 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved per reasonable comment by only responder. — kwami (talk) 23:02, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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(non-admin closure)

Europa Mission → Europa Multiple Flyby Mission – There are two names for the mission used by NASA; the Europa Mission, the name used by NASA in media releases (1, 2), and the Europa Multiple Flyby Mission, the name used in official documents and material by NASA (1, 2). I want to start a discussion on what the title of this article should be named, since both names are rather predominant; the Europa Multiple Flyby Mission is the official name of the mission, while "Europa Mission" is a suitable title simply because it's a better known name for the mission. Should the article be kept or moved to Europa Multiple Flyby Mission? Philip Terry Graham 06:12, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

• Support using the long name; there are many proposed Europa missions. -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 06:58, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
• Closer's comment NASA sometimes uses hyphenation in the mission name as they do in the mission description (it's a [multiple-flyby] mission, not a multiple [flyby mission]),[3] as do others.[4] Doing the same here per the MOS. — kwami (talk) 23:14, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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Article title

Per MOS:ITALIC, italics should be used for the name of the spacecraft, and normal text for the name of the mission. I see from the above discussion that the names are controversial. However, I would still recommend removing the {{italic title}} template from the article (and perhaps the italics from "Europa Multiple-Flyby Mission" in the lede), as this is the name of the mission, not of the spacecraft itself. Tevildo (talk) 11:43, 16 October 2016 (UTC)