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:This all depends on whether it was a [[Colt AR-15]], an [[Armalite AR-15]] (which is definitely an assault rifle) or one of the many [[AR-15 variant]]s - once again, we risk getting bogged down in pointless semantics here. Why not wait until you find a [[WP:Reliable|reliable]] source (presumably after any trial - I can't see how it's more than just a guess until then) that specifies exactly which rifle it was? Let's leave it there until you find one. After all, it's not exactly a story-changing detail.[[User:Exemplo347|Exemplo347]] ([[User talk:Exemplo347|talk]]) 21:05, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
:This all depends on whether it was a [[Colt AR-15]], an [[Armalite AR-15]] (which is definitely an assault rifle) or one of the many [[AR-15 variant]]s - once again, we risk getting bogged down in pointless semantics here. Why not wait until you find a [[WP:Reliable|reliable]] source (presumably after any trial - I can't see how it's more than just a guess until then) that specifies exactly which rifle it was? Let's leave it there until you find one. After all, it's not exactly a story-changing detail.[[User:Exemplo347|Exemplo347]] ([[User talk:Exemplo347|talk]]) 21:05, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
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:The source is already provided. It's a Colt AR-15. Calling it an "assault" rifle is sensationalism.


== Suspect Name ==
== Suspect Name ==

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Current state of the draft

I originally set out to just remove the BLP violations and revdel those, but in the process of doing so it became necessary to overhaul the article. I've removed material that I couldn't see a source for, and made it clear that (per sources) this is a conspiracy theory with no evidence coming from some doubtful sources. James spencer moulson (talk · contribs)'s original version was topic-ban worthy, if not block worthy. Without combing through every single edit after his, I get the impression that most other users didn't exacerbate the BLP violations he posted, but still failed to address them. Had someone else fixed the draft before me (leaving me undeniably uninvolved), and had he been notified about discretionary sanctions relating to post-1932 American politics, I would have personally topic banned him.

I have not yet moved this into article space because of concerns over WP:EFFECT as well as waiting for more admin support. Ian.thomson (talk) 10:01, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

need to move it now. coverage in BBC [1] shootup in NYT [2] snopes [3] local coverage [4] it is not one event, and there are lots of reliable sources, although it may be a honey pot for conspirators. Beatley (talk) 14:22, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Adl-Tabatabai and simplification

Adl-Tabatabai was not the conspiracy theory forum poster, he was the conspiracy theorist who cited the conspiracy theory forum post (in addition to the Tweet and the 4chan post). If we are going to simplify it, then:

BuzzFeed traced the start of the conspiracy theory to Sean Adl-Tabatabai (a former associate of professional conspiracy theorist David Icke), who cited previously unrelated posts from a conspiracy theory forum, 4chan, and a Tweet written by an alt-right account as supposed evidence that emails found on Anthony Weiner's laptop purportedly revealed the existence of a pedophilia ring. Adl-Tabatabai's story was then spread by and elaborated on by other fake news websites, one going so far as to claim that the NYPD had raided Hillary Clinton's property.

Is slightly shorter than:

BuzzFeed traced the start of the conspiracy theory to a Tweet written by an alt-right account claimed that emails found on Anthony Weiner's laptop purportedly revealed the existence of a pedophilia ring and an initially unrelated forum post on a conspiracy theorist website, both of which were imagined to be related by Sean Adl-Tabatabai (a former associate of professional conspiracy theorist David Icke), citing a 4chan post. Adl-Tabatabai's story was then spread by and elaborated on by other fake news websites, one going so far as to claim that the NYPD had raided Hillary Clinton's property.

However, the tweet got the ball rolling and was the origin of the core of the conspiracy theory (which Adl-Tabatabai developed into its current form). Ian.thomson (talk) 23:43, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comet Ping Pong's (Schrodinger's?) Basement

Borrowing from the main Comet Ping Pong Talk page, there is an apparent contradiction regarding the resturant's basement.

This Metro Weekly interview from 2015 where Alefantis claims Comet Ping Pong has a basement, used for storing canned vegetables and sauces:

Like our sauce — we harvest a whole crop of organic tomatoes — 10 tons of tomatoes every year. Can them all, store them in the basement, have like a harvest party when it gets loaded in.

And this one from the BBC from late 2016, where he emphatically denies having a basement:

"They ignore basic truths," Alefantis tells BBC Trending. For instance, the conspiracy supposedly is run out of the restaurant's basement. "We don't even have a basement."

The Metro interview as also mentioned in an recent article by Inquisitr. Yoshiman6464 (talk) 15:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Violates WP:SYNTH without a WP:SECONDARY source analysis that meets WP:Identifying reliable sources. Sagecandor (talk) 04:26, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Which source does one use in ascertaining whether or not the property has a basement? Solntsa90 (talk) 19:53, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"debunked"

Came here from AIV, with no prior involvement with the page. Just want to say that even though this is a conspiracy theory, the wording is a little over the top. "Conspiracy theory" already implies no basis in reality. Using language that sounds like "completely disproved and debunked conspiracy theory with no basis in reality that's been disproved and debunked" is actually counterproductive, because it stops sounding like a neutral presentation. Vanamonde (talk) 04:15, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Same exact line of reasoning already been discussed to death at Talk:Comet Ping Pong. Sagecandor (talk) 04:26, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Vanamonde--this was one of the issues that led me to support deletion at the MfD. The polemicism has been toned down a little since then, but the article now gives more of an illusion of completeness than before (and it's still way too polemical). 50.0.136.56 (talk) 08:35, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
[5] was a good edit that shouldn't have been reverted. 50.0.136.56 (talk) 08:39, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"reveal that" implies that it's true, and so far only alt-right "sources" and fake news sites support that claim. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:22, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh good catch, "revealed" should be kept as "claimed". Other than that, the reverted edit had calmer wording, and calmer is a good thing. Frankly the intensity of denials in the current version makes the theory sound more credible rather than less. 50.0.136.56 (talk) 09:39, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have made the neutral change, changing "revealed" to "alleged". Yoshiman6464 (talk) 14:32, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure if this is the correct section to make this suggestion vs creating a new section but I wanted to add my two cents. The wording in the article "and has been promoted by "alt-right activists" such as Mike Cernovich and Brittany Pettibone" should be revised. Labeling either of those two as "alt-right activists" could be libelous. From what I know about Cernovich who is an attorney and author, he would not approve of that label. Maybe the term "independent journalists" or another term that is more neutral would be more appropriate. Again just my two centsCllgbksr (talk) 12:38, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Cernovich isn't actually an attorney btw or has presented no evidence to that effect. He's also self identified as Alt-right before Battleofalma (talk) 15:13, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to take the time to research whether Cernovich has a JD or not. He's mentioned he's an attorney. If you can find a credible source quoting Cernovich saying he is alt-right I'd love to see it. Someone saying he's alt right isn't going to cut it. The alt-right label Cernovich has been pinned with is being discussed in the talk page of his main article.Cllgbksr (talk) 15:21, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]


This is the most biased article I have ever seen. "(Conspiracy Theory)", "which falsely claims", and that's what I found in the first 5 seconds of reading it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.4.242.53 (talk) 15:32, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

On the contrary, I find no issues with this article's balance. If you feel that it is incorrect in any way, please add references to Reliable sources that offer Significant coverage and nobody on Wikipedia will have any reason to remove it. Exemplo347 (talk) 15:51, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Daily Dot had recently reported the problem with mainstream news sources referring to the incident as "fake news", arguing that people who actually believe in this theory would more likely believe in it. Instead the report referred this conspiracy as an "illogical speculation that got a bunch of people lathered up." Yoshiman6464 (talk) 16:16, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's how I see it too. The issue is that people don't fact-check things they see on the internet - luckily Wikipedia editors are required to provide evidence in the form of reliable sources which is why, unlike the rest of the internet, conspiracy theories are usually labelled as such pretty quickly here. Exemplo347 (talk) 16:21, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Crazy idea: How about experienced users stop reverting each other over a minor wording preference and figure it out on talk first? There's enough outright vandalism without this unnecessary back and forth. TimothyJosephWood 16:21, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Conspiracy peddlers continue pushing debunked 'pizzagate' tale

  • Alam, Hannah (5 December 2016), "Conspiracy peddlers continue pushing debunked 'pizzagate' tale", Miami Herald, retrieved 7 December 2016, One might think that police calling the motive a 'fictitious conspiracy theory' would put an end to the claim that inspired a gunman from North Carolina to attack a family pizzeria in Washington over the weekend.

We now have an actual police statement, and reporting by secondary sources, using this wording. Note the word "fictitious" in front of the phrase "conspiracy theory" in its first appearance in the article by the Miami Herald.

We should take our cue from these secondary sources and use similar wording to the Miami Herald and to the police. Sagecandor (talk) 16:20, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As you've already seen, Sagecandor, I've added a citation to the word "debunked" - fingers crossed, that might settle down the silly argument over semantics that keeps taking place here. Exemplo347 (talk) 16:37, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Exemplo347, will try to bring the citations for that particular part to a total of maybe three. And also add citations to the introduction section as it now appears to satisfy the "contentious" part of WP:CITELEAD due to incoming Internet trolls. Sagecandor (talk) 16:39, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2nd cite, 2nd quote for "debunked":

Sagecandor (talk) 16:44, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

3rd cite, 3rd quote for "debunked":

  • Ruth, Daniel (December 6, 2016), "The lunacy of fake news", The Seattle Times, retrieved December 7, 2016, the dangerous and damaging fake allegations against a businessman and his employees simply trying to make a living have been repeatedly debunked, disproved and dismissed.

Sagecandor (talk) 16:48, 7 December 2016 (UTC) [reply]

None of these sources provide any factual evidence that the conspiracy is 'debunked'. Theyre just claiming its debunked, with no actual proof or evidence. Better source needed. --Bitsnake420 (talk) 17:42, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We just go by what are reliable sources. These are reliable sources. Sagecandor (talk) 17:47, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No. No, they are not. Perhaps you need to read this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability --Bitsnake420 (talk) 18:04, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they are, and simply saying otherwise means nothing. TimothyJosephWood 18:08, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. It is verifiable that a wide array of reliable sources have stated that the claims are false. To my knowledge, no reputable reliable source has stated that they are true. Therefore, among reliable sources, it is uncontested and uncontroversial that they are false, and the NPOV policy directs that Wikipedia must accept the factual conclusion of these reliable sources. Unless you can present reliable sources which state otherwise, we are done here. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 18:09, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Those sources have no evidence or proof to support their claims. They are unreliable. You're telling me if the daily dot says that the world is going to end in 10 minutes, that's a reliable source that the world is going to end in 10 minutes. You're ridiculous. We are indeed done here. --Bitsnake420 (talk) 18:27, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the verifiability policy. You might want to read through Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth. clpo13(talk) 18:34, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bitsnake420 (talk · contribs) blocked indefinitely. Sagecandor (talk) 19:09, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Request to add text to intro

It was determined to be false by the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia who called it a "fictitious conspiracy theory".[1] The conspiracy theory was investigated and discredited as fake by fact-checking website Snopes.com, The New York Times, and Fox News.[1][2][3][4]

References

  1. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference hannahalam was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference snopes was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ Cite error: The named reference DCGunman was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ Cite error: The named reference douglaswashburn was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Please add above text as a 2nd paragraph for the intro.

Thank you ! Sagecandor (talk) 19:22, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Done ...mostly. I modified it some, primarily to shorten it while conveying basically the same information. TimothyJosephWood 19:29, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Looks great thanks ! Sagecandor (talk) 19:30, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note: anyone is free to disagree, so long as the argument is grounded in reliable sources, and not in original research and personal opinion, as in the collapsed section above. TimothyJosephWood 19:30, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Since when is Buzzfeed considered a credible source?

I've been a Wikipedia for years now, and I've never, EVER seen Buzzfeed listed as an acceptable source. So why is Buzzfeed, a content-rehosting blog, being given so much credibility here?

Solntsa90 (talk) 19:51, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Buzzfeed is cited once, and is accompanied by a PolitiFact citation which also credits BF with identifying the source of the claim. TimothyJosephWood 19:53, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Buzzfeed is the leading sentence, and is credited with 'debunking' the story--That alone leaves me suspect, as Buzzfeed is not a credible source for anything, even if Politifact re-hashes what they say (and Politifact is not entirely credible either). Solntsa90 (talk) 19:55, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a better one? TimothyJosephWood 19:58, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This comes up so often that I suspect people aren't paying attention: [6]. Buzzfeed is not just a "content-rehosting blog" these days: [7], [8]. clpo13(talk) 20:07, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In general Buzzfeed easily meets the criteria of our reliable sources guideline. It has a high reputation for accuracy and fact-checking, an established editorial team, and is regularly cited by other highly reliable media. In fact just this morning I read multiple articles at the Columbia Journalism Review (just about the most reliable outlet there is) citing Buzzfeed on stories about fake news. Buzzfeed is regularly cited across Wikipedia and has withstood many challenges at WP:RSN. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 20:25, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Participation also appreciated at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fake_news_website#BuzzFeed_News Sagecandor (talk) 20:32, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fair warning, it's a bit WP:CANVASSy to post that in a thread where nearly everyone has already agreed with a conclusion you are forwarding elsewhere. TimothyJosephWood 20:40, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
One link, to one location, about exact same discussion. Sagecandor (talk) 20:43, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I saw the comment by Clpo13, and I read from Clpo13: "This comes up so often that I suspect people aren't paying attention" -- and so from Clpo13 I concluded this was a settled matter and not really up for repeated perpetual debate any longer. Sagecandor (talk) 21:25, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In general Buzzfeed easily meets the criteria of our reliable sources guideline. It has a high reputation for accuracy and fact-checking, an established editorial team,

Is this a joke? Let me know, so I can respond accordingly. Solntsa90 (talk) 20:41, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's like you're not even reading the links given. clpo13(talk) 20:44, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Because they're not. TimothyJosephWood 20:44, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) It doesn't matter what source is used, I doubt you'll be satisfied since according to you the "jury is still out" about the conspiracy theory. If The New York Times isn't good enough for you nothing will be. There's no point in others having a serious dialogue. APK whisper in my ear 20:47, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Omg. cOrneLlrOckEy (talk) 22:19, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

AR-15 Assault Rifle

This story lists one of the weapons as a "Colt AR-15 type Assault rifle." While this has been misreported in the media, the AR-15 is not an assault rifle. Assault rifles are selective fire weapons, which the AR-15 is not.

The weapon in question was apparently a true AR-15 as listed in an "incident report." [1] It should probably be listed as "AR-15 rifle." "Semi-automatic AR-15" would be also technically correct, but unnecessary, since all AR-15's are semi-auto.

Note: there WERE a small number of select military AR-15 rifles produced, but the modern AR-15 is not select fire, and I believe the select fire models were only sold to the military and not resold to the public. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Archangle0 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This all depends on whether it was a Colt AR-15, an Armalite AR-15 (which is definitely an assault rifle) or one of the many AR-15 variants - once again, we risk getting bogged down in pointless semantics here. Why not wait until you find a reliable source (presumably after any trial - I can't see how it's more than just a guess until then) that specifies exactly which rifle it was? Let's leave it there until you find one. After all, it's not exactly a story-changing detail.Exemplo347 (talk) 21:05, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-police-pizzeria-gunman-ar-15-rifle-handgun-43982089. ABC News. {{cite web}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); Check date values in: |accessdate= (help); External link in |website= (help); Missing or empty |title= (help); Missing or empty |url= (help)
The source is already provided. It's a Colt AR-15. Calling it an "assault" rifle is sensationalism.

Suspect Name

Reminder: the individual arrested for the shooting is not WP:WELLKNOWN and is covered under WP:BLPCRIME unless convicted. TimothyJosephWood 20:59, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Washington Post has significantly more info that could be used in the article. The arrested individual does actually have a conviction: "has one conviction, for driving while impaired in 2013 in Salisbury. He has been arrested several times in North Carolina, once on a drug charge, in 2007". Sagecandor (talk) 21:23, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes he does, but none of those prior convictions make him WP:WELLKNOWN for the purposes of Wikipedia. I have already added some of this information into the article though. TimothyJosephWood 21:24, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Okay that makes sense, thank you. Sagecandor (talk) 22:13, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Timothyjosephwood:Suspect has chosen to use his real name in a public interview with The New York Times to explain his action: "The Comet Ping Pong Gunman Answer's Our Reporter's Questions", also The Daily Beast reported on this development at "Pizzagate Gunman: 'I Regret How I Handled the Situation'". Sagecandor (talk) 23:40, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP has an obligation to be restrictive on this issue across the board as a matter of policy, partially because it helps uphold our fundamental principles, but also because it opens the Wikimedia Foundation to legal action if not adhered to. WP is WP:NOTNEWS, and although we want articles to be as accurate as possible, we take the long view, and it is perfectly acceptable to wait on a relatively minor detail, as far as an encyclopedic understanding is concerned, and see what comes of it.
All the average reader would gain from this is a name, which means nothing more than "a man" in any meaningful sense, because the person is not previously known to the public. We have an obligation to be conservative (in the literal, not political sense) in cases like these. TimothyJosephWood 23:49, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Timothyjosephwood:Sure that all makes sense. However, those sources could be good to update the article, could paraphrase or quote the individual's intentions, without naming his name in the article. Sagecandor (talk) 23:55, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I will try to look more into them tomorrow. TimothyJosephWood 00:50, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Torture threats to New York restaurant

Could be added to this article. Sagecandor (talk) 22:13, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's relevant, I'll add it in now. Exemplo347 (talk) 22:18, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's been added to the article at the end of the "Debunked" section (it seemed like the best place for the info to go, to fit with the flow of the article) Exemplo347 (talk) 22:24, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe under "Comet Ping Pong shooting" somehow and make it a section about violence and also now threats of torture ? Sagecandor (talk) 22:40, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think the best thing to do is to create a section for reports of threats and harassment, and then combine that with the first paragraph of the "Comet Ping Pong shooting" section. I've read other accounts of harassment (mostly about Comet Ping Pong's neigbors). FallingGravity 22:55, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Threats and harassment" yeah that sounds like a good section name. Sagecandor (talk) 23:02, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

TIME and New York Daily News have more info. Sagecandor (talk) 23:37, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

White supremacist

The article has this referenced claim, but it is not explained in the article how this conspiracy theory is related to racial minorities. Can this be improved? --Pudeo (talk) 00:48, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That particular info in the article is backed up to two citations to sources [9] and [10]. Sagecandor (talk) 00:53, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Michael G. Flynn dismissal section

This section needs expanding (see Michael G. Flynn#Presidential transition of Donald Trump for comparison). In particular, I think the fact that Flynn had previously promoted the PizzaGate conspiracy and that his father published similar rumors on social media (spirit cooking, Wiener fake news) should be mentioned in the article. All of this is mentioned at the Michael G. Flynn page and is relevant here. HelgaStick (talk) 00:56, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested move

Suggest moving this over Pizzagate and including a hat note pointing to Battle of the Buffet#Pizzagate, since this seems to currently be fairly clearly the WP:PRIMARYUSAGE, and more so, is a stand alone article, and not a section in an article, the main title of which, readers seem more likely to search for. TimothyJosephWood 01:33, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Those examples are theories about events. This is a theory surrounding a place. You could have it be "Comet Ping Pong conspiracy theory" but no one calls it that. "Pizzagate" is the common name whether it's true scandal or not. And doesn't putting "conspiracy theory" in the title (without the unnecessary disambiguation brackets) sound like a little too much? (Pizzagate conspiracy theory is a debunked conspiracy theory started by a Twitter user described as a white supremacist and...[11]) Emily Goldstein (talk) 04:02, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And if you replace "Campbell Rooney" with "Reddit" you jump from 5k news hits to about a million. TimothyJosephWood 02:47, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And if you look at Google Books you find that one hundred percent of results in book searches are all for the Battle_of_the_Buffet#Pizzagate. Sagecandor (talk) 02:59, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And if you look at any social media, forum, or news site one hundred percent of what you'll find about "Pizzagate" is about the 2016 one. The current "Pizzagate" has only been in the news for about a month so there's not any books about it yet, that is an impossible standard to use in this case. Emily Goldstein (talk) 03:28, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)As the Southern Bard once said, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." Sagecandor provides links to prove his claims. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:44, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Counting search results isn't really an argument. This NYT article contains the words "Pizzagate" (and thus shows up in the search) but actually calls this phenomenon "the so-called Pizzagate conspiracy theory". Google also returns things that aren't even remotely RS for that query. Fyddlestix (talk) 03:40, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support "Pizzagate" got 12 views in October 2016[12], 21,729 in November[13], and 71,942 from 1 December to 6 December[14]. There is only one "Pizzagate" article the other is a section of an article. There is no need for a disambiguation page. I'm sorry for the 0.5 people everyday who will have to make one extra click. Emily Goldstein (talk) 03:18, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We don't make these decisions based on pageviews. Fyddlestix (talk) 03:40, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming Section "Debunked" to "Responses"

Although the media had debunked the conspiracy theories, I do not believe that the word should be a title of this section. The title "Responses" would be more accurate because the media had responded to the incident, debunking it. Also, I believe that the owner's response to the incident should also be included in that section, such as his interview with NPR on November 27, 2016 where he referred to the conspiracy theory as "an insanely complicated, made-up, fictional lie-based story" and a "coordinated political attack" Yoshiman6464 (talk) 03:13, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@FallingGravity:How about one section "Debunked" and another one "Responses" ? Sagecandor (talk) 04:29, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, "Debunked" is very informal for a section title. "Responses" has precedent in Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting conspiracy theories#Responses. FallingGravity 04:45, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I was about to post the same thing too. In the "Sandy Hook" article, there is a "Response" section with both Snopes debunking and responses by Sandy Hook victims. Yoshiman6464 (talk) 04:51, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, as long as it continues to say debunked prominently in the introduction. Sagecandor (talk) 04:46, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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