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Diana Dreman was Miss Colorado, but she gets very little notice for that. Just very local coverage, not enough to justify an article. Some of the coverage she gets is more novelty coverage because she is the first person whose mother was Miss America to win a state Miss America title. This is not enough to justify a free standing article on her. John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:07, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 09:40, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 09:40, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:49, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete does not meet WP:GNG.--CaroleHenson (talk) 06:26, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This discussion was originally closed as no consensus because there is a lack of Wikipedia consensus on the matter on December 6th, after I presented some issues to the closer, and another editor argued that these should be considered on a case by case basis, the administrator who closed gave permission to reopen this discussion. I primarily state this so the time frame when this discussion has actually been open can be clearly seen. It was closed from early December 6th (about 7 GMT) to about 14 GMT on December 9th.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:30, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been relisted in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions now that it has been reopened.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:42, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, st170e^talk 01:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- per prior outcomes, such articles are routinely deleted in the absence of other notability factors. This is the case here. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:41, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Here are the citations in the article:

"Miss Colorado prepares to hand off crown". KUSA. June 15, 2012. Retrieved 2013-04-04.
"A family affair: A passion to use pageants for a higher purpose". KUSA. July 18, 2011. Retrieved 2013-04-04.
"FIT LIFE: Miss America And Beyond". KKTV. December 30, 2011. Retrieved 2013-04-04.
"Power of the crown: Miss Colorado honors legacy, spreads cancer awareness". coloradocancerblogs.org. September 12, 2011. Retrieved 2013-04-04.
"CU Boulder student crowned Miss Colorado". KUSA. June 27, 2011. Retrieved 2013-04-04.
"Alumna and former Miss America Rebecca Dreman battling cancer with help of her family". University of Denver. March 1, 2012. Retrieved 2013-04-04.
"Heartbreak and joy as 2012 Miss America Pageant hopefuls arrive in L.V." Las Vegas Sun. January 4, 2012. Retrieved 2013-04-04. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)
"Miss Colorado 2011". coloradoconnection.com. July 18, 2011. Retrieved 2013-04-04.

Unscintillating (talk) 05:28, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note User:Ejgreen77 created this article here, but had not been notified of this discussion, [1]. Unscintillating (talk) 05:42, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets both WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO#1 for notability. The remedy for editors who believe that this topic fails our notability guideline is to merge the reliable material as a mini-bio to a suitable target article such as Miss Colorado. Unscintillating (talk) 05:42, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment So you actually argue this should not remain as a stand alone article?00:32, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I stated that the topic meets two different criteria for notability. Unscintillating (talk) 05:01, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep has received significant coverage. SSTflyer 14:58, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Which coverage is significant?John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:32, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment all the citations are either extremely local low quality, the Las Vegas one is extremely passing, others are University press releases or other forms of sources that are not 3rd party.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:35, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as none of the sources here are actually relevant to notability itself and still nothing establishes genuine substance for an article itself, because we're not inheriting her an automatic article because of participation alone, and by that alone, we wouldn't be sensibly applying notability how it works itself. The sources are simply trivial and simply calling them "sourcing!" is not alone a basis for acceptance. SwisterTwister talk 05:35, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So sources about the topic are not "relevant to notability"? Is that a contradiction in terms? Unscintillating (talk) 03:22, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Miss Colorado I would have usually gone for a delete as the subject is not independently notable of the pageant (and about 5 years have passed since the event). But in this case I prefer a redirect. There is an incoming link at Rebecca Ann King (the subject is her daughter) and I think it is OK to keep this redirect as a navigational feature. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 13:35, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete. Weak, because there's a surprising number of incoming links to this page. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:27, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm OK with a redirect, per Dennis Bratland -- RoySmith (talk) 14:16, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Miss Colorado. Add a note to the list that she was the first to whose mother was a Miss America, and Miss Colorado contains everything you need about the subject. The only reason these appears to be a lot of incoming links is the two navigation templates at the bottom. There's little article content that points here. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Miss Colorado. Add a note to the list that she was the first to whose mother was a Miss America - because, exactly what User:Dennis Bratland said.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:21, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and merge. Fails WP:BASIC as the sourcing is trivial and in my opinion reflects on the event and not Ms. Dreman. I also don't see why a redirect is required and I believe it is inappropriate in this instance. -- HighKing⁺⁺ 20:56, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Redirect''' to [[Miss Colorado]]. Add a note to the list that she was the first to whose mother was a Miss America, and [[Miss Colorado]] contains everything you need about the subject.  The only reason these appears to be a lot of incoming links is the two navigation templates at the bottom. There's little article content that points here. --[[User:Dennis Bratland|Dennis Bratland]] ([[User talk:Dennis Bratland|talk]]) 21:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 *'''Redirect''' to [[Miss Colorado]]. Add a note to the list that she was the first to whose mother was a Miss America - because, exactly what [[User:Dennis Bratland]] said.[[User:E.M.Gregory|E.M.Gregory]] ([[User talk:E.M.Gregory|talk]]) 19:21, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' and merge. Fails [[WP:BASIC]] as the sourcing is trivial and in my opinion reflects on the event and not Ms. Dreman. I also don't see why a redirect is required and I believe it is inappropriate in this instance. [[User:HighKing|<font face="Courier" color="darkgreen"><b>-- HighKing</b></font>]]<sup>[[User_talk:HighKing|<font face="Courier" color="darkgblue">++  </font>]]</sup> 20:56, 26 December 2016 (UTC)