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== Death stoke ?? ==

{{Edit semi-protected}} Could someone authorised correct the typo in the summary box at the top of the page ? (Stoke -> stroke)

Revision as of 11:34, 29 December 2016

American Comedy Awards: Lifetime Achievement Award in Comedy twice?

Apparently (according to the Lifetime Achievement Award page) she won only in 1997. If so, then the 1996 entry should be removed. Renato (talk) 19:38, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No Ms. Henson (talk) 02:16, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In Hospital

Someone did an edit saying Reynolds had died but that was quickly reverted. She is only in hospital; no real specifics on the cause although TMZ claims it is a stroke. (Many other sites claiming it is a stroke also got the info from TMZ). http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/28/debbie-reynolds-hospitalized-stroke/

Example of a news item that gets the stroke info from TMZ http://news.nationalpost.com/arts/celebrity/debbie-reynolds-carrie-fishers-mother-rushed-to-hospital-after-suffering-alleged-stroke

Of course, I would not cite TMZ so I went with two highly-respected sources. Other credible sources: http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/28/entertainment/debbie-reynolds-hospitalized/ and http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/debbie-reynolds-rushed-hospital-medical-emergency-report-959634 and http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-debbie-reynolds-ill-20161228-story.html Peter K Burian (talk) 23:45, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And User:SNUGGUMS we have been very, very careful to word the info about this to be as factual as possible. We did not claim it was a stroke as TMZ claims. Peter K Burian (talk) 00:47, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Even the Washington Post is quoting TMZ about the stroke. Strange. (But Wikipedia is NOT doing so) ..... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/12/28/debbie-reynolds-rushed-to-hospital-reports-say/?utm_term=.0c0620a2d770 Peter K Burian (talk) 00:57, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's best to avoid using claims from TMZ, and we shouldn't even use links that contain things like "according to TMZ" or "TMZ reports" as they use TMZ (which is an unreliable gossip site) as a basis for reports. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:59, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I deleted the citations and added one from the LA Times that does not mention TMZ. But so many major news organizations, including NPR and Washington Post, are citing TMZ. Weird. Peter K Burian (talk) 01:04, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I guess User:Frank and I are now on the same wavelength. Peter K Burian (talk) 01:34, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

But User:SNUGGUMS and I are not quite on the same wavelength on one issue: Both User:Frank and I are convinced that the Facts section should show that her daughter is deceased. Peter K Burian (talk) 01:37, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If by "facts section" you mean the infobox, then its purpose isn't to be overfilled with details. What's important for an infobox is the children themselves rather than whether they're alive. The only death an infobox should focus on is the article subject him/herself and spouses if they are widows/widowers as that tells how marriage ended. On another note, I'm glad that the lead citation has been replaced with something not based off of TMZ reports. Snuggums (talk / edits) 01:48, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

BBC Radio 5 Live has just announced she's passed away, quoting agencies. No doubt reliable sources will be available shortly. -- 83.104.44.241 (talk) 01:55, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I think TMZ is reliable. I've never known them to report anything erroneously. They vet their sources extensively, although I can understand the perception that they're not a legitimate source. For something more reputable, Variety is also reporting that Ms. Reynolds has passed away. Debbie Reynolds dead at 84

63.92.241.153 (talk) 02:01, 29 December 2016 (UTC) Darwin[reply]

I have yet to find a highly reliable source that states the official cause of death. All discussions about a stroke had been based on a TMZ article and TMZ is not the most reliable source. Peter K Burian (talk) 02:11, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No cause of death provided to the media yet. We cannot speculate or rely on TMZ. e.g. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-debbie-reynolds-ill-20161228-story.html

Still no official reason for being in hospital nor cause of death. It might be a stroke but we want some definite statement about that, not news sources repeating TMZ. Peter K Burian (talk) 03:43, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly makes TMZ unreliable? Just because you say it doesn't make it true, and, if you check, their right/wrong ratio is going to be as good as any source you've dubbed "reliable". There's a reason that "reliable sources" quote them without a second thought. As stated above, they aren't some rag like the Enquirer. 24.14.224.157 (talk) 04:02, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to ask what makes TMZ unreliable? But the person above me has beat me to it. Is there a rule that TMZ can't be used a a source? When has TMZ been wrong? I've never seen TMZ sued over false info. Other sources cite TMZ, ABC, CBS etc, yet Wikipedia won't use TMZ as a source? 2601:483:100:CB54:85BA:B8EA:B077:5A31 (talk) 04:16, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2016

The Awards section shows her winning the American Comedy Awards Lifetime Achievement Award in Comedy in both 1996 and 1997. She won in 1997 so the 1996 entry should be removed. LittleDove (talk) 01:49, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2016

Take away the deceased quotation mark next to Carrie Fisher, its unnecessary Lionpetercarmoo (talk) 01:53, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Already done No quotation marks there. -- Dane talk 02:27, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No official Cause of Death declared

We cannot work with rumors or TMZ claims that it was a stroke. e.g. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-debbie-reynolds-ill-20161228-story.html

TMZ is not creditable enough for this type of news for a BLP article. Mlpearc Phone (open channel) 02:20, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sadly, the article is not a BLP. TMZ is reliable for celebrity deaths, however, I do not object to waiting. Knope7 (talk) 02:27, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Article remains a BLP for up to two years following the death of an article subject. That said, I have included a reference for Variety, a reliable source, that states it is believed she died of a stroke. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 02:28, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
TMZ isn't that credible of a news source, over the years they have erroneously reported the deaths of a number of people — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4A:403:3F70:D4E3:9F7A:444D:199D (talk) 02:43, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Article remains a BLP for up to two years following the death of an article subject." I'd like to see the specific policy on this and "up to" sounds extremely vague. The purpose of being careful with BLPs is not expose Wikipedia to libel. You cannot libel a dead person, not in The United States at least.Wlmg (talk) 02:53, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ok here's the specific policy I don't see how it's the least bit applicable here:"Recently dead or probably dead

Anyone born within the past 115 years is covered by this policy unless a reliable source has confirmed their death. Generally, this policy does not apply to material concerning people who are confirmed dead by reliable sources. The only exception would be for people who have recently died, in which case the policy can extend for an indeterminate period beyond the date of death—six months, one year, two years at the outside. Such extensions would apply particularly to contentious or questionable material about the dead that has implications for their living relatives and friends, such as in the case of a possible suicide or a particularly gruesome crime. In the absence of confirmation of death, anyone born more than 115 years ago is presumed dead unless listed at oldest people." Wlmg (talk) 03:07, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BDP. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 02:57, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As of 11pm, EST, no official cause for the hospitalization or the death has been released. http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/28/entertainment/debbie-reynolds-hospitalized/ Reynolds had complained of breathing problems, an unidentified source told The [Los Angeles] Times. Todd Fisher told CNN, "My mother passed away a short time ago. She spoke to me this morning and said she missed Carrie." Fisher did not give a cause of death.
OK I get no reason to jump the gun. It took months for the cause of death for Anna Nicole to be known. However, I suspect The cause of D.R's death will be forthcoming soon and the up to 2-year BLP rule will be moot.Wlmg (talk) 04:32, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Since we've just been through this at Carrie Fisher, I'll mention only that cause of death is a medical pronouncement. Only a qualified professional with first-hand knowledge, such as a medical examiner, can so make. —ATS 🖖 talk 06:23, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2016

In three places, the possessive of her last name is written Reynold's. Her last name is Reynolds; you cannot form a possessive by inserting an apostrophe into the middle of it. The apostrophe must come after the name, making the possessive either Reynolds' or Reynolds's. 2605:A601:4100:3300:2306:3E9B:EE82:C306 (talk) 02:24, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done Mlpearc Phone (open channel) 02:41, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Uh no Reynolds' would be the form of possessive for more than one Reynolds e.g. Whose car is that ? Oh it's the Reynolds' carWlmg (talk) 04:41, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Survived by

I never feel this is appropriate in an encyc. article. thats memorial/obit language. (mercurywoodrose)2602:304:CFD0:6350:AD1B:8B60:27CB:9BF3 (talk) 02:31, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It has encyclopedic value or EV.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:45, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of awards and nominations received by Debbie Reynolds

If more recent editing expands the article, we might consider forking content to List of awards and nominations received by Debbie Reynolds. ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:05, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Best lead image options

Since the lead image keeps getting changed without much explanation, the editors might want to consider from some of the recent ones used:

Lead photo options
  • 1 (1987)
    1 (1987)
  • 2 (1975)
    2 (1975)
  • 3 (1970)
    3 (1970)
  • 4 (1986)
    4 (1986)
  • #1 or #3 the 2nd one is... well, gaudy. It hardly seems like the best representation for her. She looks like "I Dream of Jeannie", to be frank. Number 3 is the best but 1 is also good -Jennica✿ / talk 05:28, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Broken Heart Syndrome

CNN is speculating that it is broken-heart syndrome [1] -- 65.94.168.229 (talk) 07:44, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ CNN Newsroom Live. 29 December 2016. CNN. {{cite episode}}: Unknown parameter |episode= ignored (help) @circa 2:40am EST

Death stoke ??

Could someone authorised correct the typo in the summary box at the top of the page ? (Stoke -> stroke)

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