Talk:Dance

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Appropriate image?

I removed File:Assyriankhigga.jpg, an image that is said to be an example of the Assyrian folk dance khigga, because (1) it doesn't seem like a very good visual representation of the dance, and (2) there are literally thousands of other higher quality images that could also rightfully appear here -- and there's not room for all of them. My edit was reverted because the image "shows that dancers can wear costumes or not" and because "the article needs a Middle Eastern example", and perhaps also because of an emotional attachment to the image by the reverter, who uploaded it. I don't mean to belittle the worth of this image but it seems unsuitable for the article for the reasons I gave above. That said, I am not inclined to edit war over this and will defer to the opinions of other editors. Lambtron (talk) 16:33, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2016

16chseld 606 (talk) 21:30, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Datbubblegumdoe^{[talk – contribs]} 21:59, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Video

I think User:TonyTheTiger has a good idea in adding a video or two, but I agree that a 2-second clip of one person half-heartedly shimmying, while several others don't dance, is not of much encyclopedic value. Some alternative, perhaps more informative files:

Loie Fuller, an important figure in the development of modern dance, showing off one of the fantastical costumes/sets she was famous for. Extraordinary footage.

An unremarkable, rather gestural modern combination; close to the "typical" contemporary Western concert dance style.

Slightly old and briefly voiced-over footage of Cambodian classical dance, well-produced and giving a clear idea of the style (apparently Robam Tep Apsara).

FourViolas (talk) 20:43, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

It seems that many videos are worthy of inclusion in the article. Instead of sprinkling them throughout the article — where they will necessarily interrupt the flow of information to readers — would it make sense to create a video gallery? Perhaps below the existing image gallery? Lambtron (talk) 21:10, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Re-posting a proposition by Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi that Rhythm and dance be merged into Dance, to hopefully generate some interest and responses.

The Rhythm and dance article discusses the relationship between Rhythm and Dance, supplies some information on the background and styles of dancing and quotes some poetry as well. I see no reason why that warrants a separate article. It looks like a simple case of WP:OVERLAP to me. Also, the resulting article would not warrant WP:SPLIT based on length since it will only be 45,867 Kilo Bytes even if no content is removed.

• Dance Page size: 28,336 Bytes

• Rhythm and dance Page size: 17,534 Bytes

The article's author, Redheylin, appears to strongly disagree with me. See our discussion here. WannaBeEditor (talk) 18:12, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Since no one responded I went ahead and completed the merge. WannaBeEditor (talk) 05:42, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Recommendation for structure and content

Understanding that the term "dance" is extremely broad in regards to the vast amount of information it could encompass, I found the structure and flow of the article distracting and sporadic. My suggestion for structure/content revision would be as follows:

1. General overview: definition of dance that recognizes the diverse definitions that now exist.

• You mentioned the many definitions proposed in your note- why not openly express the broad term that dance has developed to be?

2. Categories: This section may need to be expanded upon. The categories of Performance and Participation dance do not give an adequate overview of many modern forms of dance.

• Also, when describing Performance/concert dance, I would include information about the advanced, intricate skills that performers must possess in order to artistically portray the piece. A large distinction between concert dance and participatory dance is training, education and professionalism - and emphasis should be placed on this.

3. History: a broader category of history can be used to group and discuss the origins, timeline and cultural aspects of dance.

• Origins
• Timeline
• Cultural Traditions

4. Dancing and Music: This section is currently very minimal. The Wiki page it is referencing is missing many citations and a broad perspective. Consider removing if this cannot be revised using a more reliable source.

5. Dance Education: Not all dancers receive their dance education through institutions of higher learning. I would suggest expanding on other means (studio, companies, etc.)

6. Occupations: It is mentioned that most jobs are low paying and dancers must supplement their incomes - would include source and statistics for this statement.

7. Venues: If you are referring to competitions in terms of place, I suggest also including the many other venues where dance is performed. Otherwise, the information about competitive dancing fits more logically into the "Categories" of dance.

--MeghanBri7 (talk) 22:00, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Welcome, MeghanBri7! That looks like a great general outline, and some very perceptive comments. This page has needed work for a long time. A few notes:

• Guidelines for the first (overview) section may be found at WP:Lede
• I agree competition could be better treated under "categories"—it's kind of a combination of participatory and performative forms, and that needs explaining. Not sure if it's ever been discussed in RS through that kind of anthropological lens.
• I'm sure better sources on dance and music exist; [1], [2], [3], etc., etc. We do our best to WP:PRESERVE salvageable content whenever possible.
• I think it would be excellent to have more material in the areas you mention. Phoebe, I met you at a meetup a while ago and never managed to get in contact with the dance-specialist librarian you mentioned—are they still around? I was hoping they could offer basic advice on sourcing in the field, which we could share with WP:DANCE.

Best of luck with the revisions, wish I had more time to help! FourViolas (talk) 22:59, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

P.S. New sections usually go at the bottom; you can read all about it at WP:Talk page guidelines. New responses go under what they're responding to, indented by adding one more ":" than the previous comment. FourViolas (talk) 23:04, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Hey MeghanBri7, thanks for joining and welcome. Per WP:BOLD, when you think an edit is necessary, you can just go ahead and do it, you don't need to ask for permission. Regarding dance, I certainly agree that the page will benefit from restructuring and editing, and any contribution to the page will be great. If I find time, I might be active on this page as well, I am planning to merge rhythm and dance into this page (see merger proposal section on top of this one). Just as a final note, to leave a message to a specific editor on a talk page (like I just did), insert the following template: "{{u|user name here}}. Once again welcome. WannaBeEditor (talk) 01:49, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2016

I would like to add more about bhangra dance. Please allow me to make changes. Or should I send my changes to you?

Thanks, Mark MarkHilton (talk) 21:28, 29 December 2016 (UTC)