Talk:Wii/Archive 15

Archives

Requested Move to Nintendo Wii (17th-22nd May 2006 - consensus: Not Moved) Archive 1 (May 2005 - July 2005) Archive 2 (July 2005 - September 2005) Archive 3 (September 2005 - December 2005) Archive 4 (December 2005 - March 2006) Archive 5 (March 2006 - April 2006) Archive 6 (April 2006) Archive 7 (Pre-E3 2006) Archive 8 (E3 2006) Archive 9 (Post E3 2006 up to 20th May 2006) Archive 10 (20th May 2006 - 31st May 2006) Archive 11 (June 2006) Archive 12 (July 2006) Archive 13 (August 2006) Archive 14 (Sept 1st 2006 - Sept 13 2006)

Please, read the other headers

I keep seeing new sections made in the talk page for info we are already talking about. Before you make a new section, please read the other headers to see if we're already discussing it.--The Viper 03:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

DVD Playback

I remember reading in a players poll in a Nintendo Power issue a couple months back that the Wii will have DVD playback built in right out of the box. I searched online but didn't really find anything. Should it be added, or should we wait?Uturnaroun 01:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe the official news is that the Wii will not play DVD's out of the box, for licensing reasons -- the system can read the actual data just fine, it's the video decompression routines which are copyrighted/protected/patented (I forget which) and require Nintendo to pay royalties for. As such, Nintendo will be making a separate attachment to provide the codecs for playing DVD's. This reduces the costs of manufacturing the console since Nintendo won't have to pay codec licensing fees for every Wii produced, but rather only for those who actually want that capability on their Wii. --Stratadrake 04:27, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Then why does xbox 360 and ps2 pla dvds out of the box?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Atlfalcons933 (talk • contribs)

Because Sony and Microsoft paid for them(Sony did, but MS is getting sued for it), Nintendo actually tries to save people money because they know that most people already own a DVD player(especially since you can buy a new for as low as $30). TJ Spyke 01:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Initially, you couldn't play DVD's on Xbox right out of the box. You had to purchase a $30.00 DVD Playback Kit. Xbox The purchase of the kit seperately was for the exact notion stated above; to not pay licensing fees so as to keep costs down. As costs went down, MS began including the DVD Playback Kit with the system.--The Viper 01:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I never heard anything about them eventually including it with the system. Do you have a link? TJ Spyke 01:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

It's right there on the Wiki page itself. Xbox "Later, as the price of the Xbox dropped, the DVD remote was bundled." No citation though so take it as you will.--The Viper 01:37, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe I will add a citation tag to that because I don't remember hearing about that. TJ Spyke 01:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

GameCube controllers & wireless Wii remotes simultaneously?

Is there any information about how the wired controller ports will work? Will they work at the same time as the wireless controllers, and if so will more than four simultaneous players be possible with an un-multitapped Wii? I want to know if I can look forward to 8-player Double Dash. 141.149.15.47 07:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the Wii remotes will work for Gamecube games. -SaturnYoshi 07:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

There is the classic controller for that. There is no evidence right now that the GCN controllers will be used for anything other than GCN games. Jaxad0127 16:04, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't want to turn this all the way into a discussion board, but is it possible for them to have some kind of bluetooth receiver hook into the gamecube controller slots so that eight Wiimotes (or more) could be used in one game? MrVoluntarist 20:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

We'll know more on Wednesday when Nintendo holds the Japanese media briefing. Bluetooth is built in already, by the way, so theoretically that's already possible. 4 has just become a standard set by Nintendo because splitting the screen further makes most games unplayable for the players and unoperable for the system.--The Viper 01:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, one use of the Wiimote I was hoping for (and would write myself if I had the SDK) was that you could holster one to each arm and leg, and there could be a dancing game like DDR but capable of detecting kicks, twirls, arm rolls, handstands, etc. You would maybe see a stick model of yourself on the screen. If you wanted to have two people in the dance, with full functionality, you would need eight Wiimotes to transmit at once, and that wouldn't require subdivision of the screen. But now I'm rambling...MrVoluntarist 13:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

You may be in luck. 3rd party armstraps/gloves that hold the Wii controller in them will be available at launch. This may lead to what you described as a very real possibility. [1]--The Viper 14:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Bear in mind that each controller has nonvolatile memory and a very capable expansion port. Four-player, two-handed games will be possible with the "nunchuck" (Wiimote + Joystick fob) and dual-wielding may be possible with a male-to-male Wiimote + Wiimote connector. Nintendo stands to make some serious cash on attachments, so the dancing/fighting idea with gloves and shinguards could be done with wired attachments or non-bluetooth wireless sensors. 128.113.229.105 19:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it was announced at E3 that GCN controllers will be used for Super Smash Bros. Brawl. --Nintendorulez talk 18:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

new launch title

ubisoft has announced splinter cell double agent will be lauched —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Atlfalcons933 (talk • contribs) .

We've known that for about 2 days. TJ Spyke 01:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. TJ, no need to be that harsh. -- ReyBrujo 03:12, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be harsh. TJ Spyke 03:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Seven Sega virtual console titles

It seems a nice finding at http://www.codenamerevolution.com/?p=1820. The titles are Altered Beast, Ecco The Dolphin, Columns, Golden Axe, Ristar, Sonic the Hedgehog and Toe Jam & Earl. Since the information is in ESRB database, I think we can add the titles to the article. -- ReyBrujo 03:10, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

They check out in ESRB's database. The list may change, though. Jaxad0127 03:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

IGN is also reporting on this: http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732165p1.html. Jaxad0127 18:35, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Wiimakes

Should we include the news about possible gamecube remakes.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.15.219.13 (talk • contribs)

There isn't really any news, Miyamoto just he would like to do it and it was a possibility. I am not opposed to it though if other people also feel it should be in. TJ Spyke 01:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

It's already in the article, under "Developer support". It's been there for a while. Dancter 01:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Japan Press Conference

Nintendo is supposed to be unveiling the price, release date, and some "megaton" announcement for Wii about now in a Japanese conference; any word on what's happening at the moment? I've looked around, and so far see nothing.-Super Genus 01:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

It's just rumors what they will announce. Also, it's a private invite only event and not a public event. We might not get any info until it's over(and even then it will be just Japanese info most likely, the North America event is tomorrow). TJ Spyke 01:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The main problem was that IGN announced a wrong time. I suggest to take things calmly, wait until every fact is confirmed in a reliable site (GameSpot, IGN, GameSpy, etc), and to watch out for vandals. The page may need to be semi protected if we get a lot of spam, so that established editors can arrange the information correctly. And remember that edit conflicts are very likely to happen, so watch out. -- ReyBrujo 01:38, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I have seen http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/285027_nintendo14.html at some gaming forum. Note that the article states the company plans to announce today that it will, thus it is a verifiable date but not an official one. Just in case someone is thinking about adding it there. -- ReyBrujo 04:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The Japanese conference will start any time now, so we'll probably hear it straight from Nintendo soon enough. Dancter 04:38, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

November 19 for $250?

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157572.html

What a rip off. McDonaldsGuy 04:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

If you're going to add the information, at least clarify that the reported date was specifically for North and South America. Being accurate is much more important than being first. Dancter 04:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I am still editing everything. McDonaldsGuy 04:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

And that it is not confirmed. I am wondering why to add that information, as it is not different from the previous reports that the console would be 170 and launch on October... -- ReyBrujo 04:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Did Nintendo hold a conference when those rumors were floating around? I've provided my source, sounds pretty reliable. If it's wrong, we'll just change it back. McDonaldsGuy 05:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I am suspicious of this, especially since it doesn't appear on the NYT website(where the article is from) at all. I think we should wait for actual confirmation from Nintendo first. TJ Spyke 05:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, good idea I suppose. But why would GameSpot lie about a NYT article? McDonaldsGuy 05:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Here's another source: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/285027_nintendo14.html McDonaldsGuy 05:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

(ecx2) The conference in Japan hasn't started yet. The article is found at http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/285027_nintendo14.html but so far Nintendo hasn't announced anything, thus even if it is the real data, it is just a rumour (note that it says the company plans to announce today that it will). -- ReyBrujo 05:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Dunno, McDonaldsGuy, the NA Conference didn't even start yet, the cry-baby's at GS are throwing hissy fits at this, so we should probably lock this, I don't think it's that bad, like we didn't see this coming. Thankfully it's still the most inexpensive console out there as of now. No complaints for me.--Signor 05:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

This article needs to be protected since noobs and anon IP's will be constantly messing with the article today and tomorrow. Also, that Seattle website is just using the info from the NYT(even though there is no info on the NYT website). TJ Spyke 05:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... now this is the question, I don't think the article could be protected in time (there are some articles queued waiting to be protected, apparently no admin paying attention to that queue). Maybe to prevent an edit war we should just let people set the November 19 date... Common sense states that we should discuss in talk pages than revert warring. -- ReyBrujo 05:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, since the news broke there's been 5 updates, so we will have a crapload of new information barreling in for the next 3 days. --Signor 05:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The current status of the article is already "outdated". The infobox states a date, while the body of the article informs about "As of September no date blah". -- ReyBrujo 05:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The date in the infobox is the reported date, but it has not been confirmed by Nintendo. If somebody else wants to remove it they can. TJ Spyke 05:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, just to keep the article updated and not contradicting itself, I moved the date from the infobox to the body as another rumour date. Whenever it is confirmed, you can just move it back to the infobox. -- ReyBrujo 05:39, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

As reported by GoNintendo, the NY article has been pulled off the site. -- ReyBrujo 05:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

It may have been a hoax, or maybe they weren't supposed to leak the info yet. Either way, I put a "citeneeded" on it, and please, no one remove it unless you can get a firsthand cite other than the NY Times' now-deleted article (unless it's re-posted.) --HeroicJay 05:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

New York Times never posted the article, it was other sites reporting it and saying it was from the NYT(which is odd since there the article was never on the NYT website itself. TJ Spyke 06:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Bear in Mind that that's the japanese conference going on, 25000 yen I think, converted makes $212 USD, no? Maybe there was a mistake/mistranslation? The NA conference IS tomorrow, so Japan may be getting the 25000 yen and there may have been a mistranslation of price. Perhaps it's a mistake, which is why it was pulled, the news sites must have taken a poor translation of Japan's details and turned around to state it as fact for NA. Ninty got pissed and the articles pulled. --Signor 06:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

far too much for a gamecube with a remote :(— Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.7.253 (talk • contribs)

Huge bargain over the PS3. Anyway, Wikipedia is not a forum. Anyway, sites more high-profile than IGN have made mistakes in the past, so I wish people (well, mainly the one) would stop taking it as literal 100% truth. --HeroicJay 06:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Just to remind everyone, since there isn't any sort of protection on the article, 3RR may have to be enforced to cut down on edit-warring. Some may have already passed that point. Though I must say, things aren't as bad as I was anticipating. Dancter 06:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

We are going to get the North American info in about 9 hours, I wish people would wait until then rather than posting unofficial info from the NYT article that has mysteriously never appeared on the NYT website. TJ Spyke 06:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

While I do agree that we should probably be conservative, and not assert the alleged NYT info as a confirmation, I think that it isn't a very realistic expectation to expect editors to abide it being kept out entirely. I say that as long as we present the information accurately, it should be safe to include it. True, it's not that long a wait, but that argument works both ways.

Here what seem to be the facts. Many sites found the information posted on the Post-Intelligencer website in what seems to be an article from the New York Times. IGN reported that the NYT went to press with that article. (That's not something that could've been simply gleaned from the PI page.) The article has since been pulled. Make that clear in the text, and we should be good. As far as news organizations go, PI is fairly reputable, and the scoop is fairly 11th-hour (not that impressive), so I think it's unfair to outright dismiss it as another run-of-the-mill rumor. Dancter 07:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

december 2nd japan release 100% guaranteed... the NYT article says that it will be released in the USA before Japan? No fucking way! No way jose.(— Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.7.253 (talk • contribs)

Okay, some IP reverted and to change it back would cause me to break 3RR. Someone else please handle it. --HeroicJay 07:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

New York Times

The proper way to settle this is by discussing it, although I'm well aware that by the time consensus is reached, the American press conference will probably be long over. 9_9 There are sites quoting the alleged NY Times article, but NY Times does not have such an article and I've seen no actual evidence that it ever did. We will look more foolish if the NY Times thing turns out to be wrong and we include it, than if it turns out to be right and we don't, because we're not asserting anything in the latter case. People? --HeroicJay 07:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Like I said further up, we can present information without asserting it. Isn't that the point of WP:NPOV? As long as we simply present it as it actually was, even if it turns out to be wrong, it shouldn't be a problem, because we will have made no judgments as to its veracity. I'm trying to find a reasonable compromise, here. The other way wasn't working. Dancter 08:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, its simple, wait for the official nintendo annoucement http://uk.gamespot.com/events/wiilaunch/live.html at 17:00 GMT/09:00 PDT, and wait for ninty to officially announce the date and price for america (and europe)User:chngbat 09:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it seems the NY Times has put this article on its site officially (or replaced it or whatever), but we still haven't received official word from Nintendo. --HeroicJay 08:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The official Nintendo release can be read here. ConnertheCat 16:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Here, by the way. --HeroicJay 08:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

No Metriod Prime 3 for launch.

Hey guys, as noted here [2], Metriod Prime 3: Corruption has been pushed to 2007, so I removed it from the launch list. --Headcase 14:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

TMNT added to Wii launch window

If you can access the Wii Preview 2006 Online Press Kit, there's a list of third party launch window games (from Nov. 19th to March 31st). A tenth title from Ubisoft is now listed: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Ubisoft has the license for the movie, unlike Konami who has the licesne for the cartoon). Not sure if I should link the reference to it or not in the main article, since it's from Nintendo's press site. --BPM 16:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Wii Browser Not Free

Cross-posting between here and Talk:Wii Browser...

According to Nintendo's site, here, the Wii Browser will be purchased with Wii Points, which presumably are not free. Hence the browser would not be free (which makes sense... as with DVD playback, not everyone wants to browse the 'net on their TV, so it cuts costs). I think the section should be changed, unless anyone can find a place that either says Wii Points are free or directly conflicts with this statement. I checked the sites talking about the Wii Browser and they mentioned it would come on the system, and that it would be the web browser for the Wii... but not that you would be able to use it for free. Thus as far as I can tell there's no direct conflict right now. --Twile 17:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Wii Points will be 100pts/$1 if you buy the 20$ for 2000 points cards they announced. VC games will also use points. I haven't seen anything about how much the browser will be though. Check the IGN live coverage for a temporary story about this and I can't get to thewiire to check if they have a story yet.Sir hugo 17:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Updated to say it costs Wii points. Anyone with complaints, post them here. --Twile 17:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I was about to mention that. It's important to clarify that Wii Points is a credits system, and that the announced Virtual Console prices were not actually in US dollars, even though the price of a 2000-point card was priced at $20. What's to say that a larger point card won't be sold at better price per Wii Point? Dancter 18:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

True, I did the math myself but didnt really think about the discount for larger. So far though from what I read about the Japan Conference 1 Wii Point = 1 Yen so I figure they are using points as an easy way of pricing things consistantly in one unit without having to worry about current exchange rates and such on their servers.Sir hugo 18:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

more questions from an australia ;)

Is there a australian release date.. or are we covered in the "Australiasia" date?

Is the unit multiregional ;)

Does the unit have DVD playback?

Is an internet connection required?

Why are they releasing the wii AFTER the Original PS3 release date?

An internet connection isn't required. On the Wii site it says stuff like "when connected to the internet, this feature will do this" or "this feature requires WiiConnect24" and such. They wouldn't specify that unless there was some stuff that didn't require 'net access. Released after the PS3 release date so they'll be able to say "We launched after PS3 and we've sold more units!" (just kidding on this ;)) --Twile 17:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

changes

removed some released date info. that is now not needed. Also no DVD now and it is region free. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.100.251.136 (talk • contribs) 17:26, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Please cite sources for information such as this. Has Nintendo actually confirmed that there will be no DVD-Video add-on? Even if they have, it's important to mention that they once said there would be. There will come a time when a history section for the Wii will be very useful to readers, and this should probably be in there somewhere. Dancter 17:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

You beat me to it. Thanks for adding back in the DVD stuff. Dancter 17:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

P. Kaplan is reported on IGN to say there won't be dvd add on after all - (reason given costs, etc) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.100.251.136 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

But my point is that they claimed there would be one before. If Perrin Kaplan said there won't be an add-on, we should add that information, rather than remove the information where Nintendo previously said there would be one. This isn't like removing the litany of bogus release date rumors. I feel that we lose an important element of the subject when we gloss over historical details like this. Just because the Advanced Video System was never made doesn't mean we shouldn't mention it in the NES article. Dancter 19:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Archives

Someone created an archive today and archived some ongoing discussion. Please be careful when you are archiving. If a discussion has had a post in the past week (in this case there were posts TODAY), please do not archive. Whoever did this please revert. 67.99.60.231 17:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Wii Points

I figured that before we post information about Wii Points or write an article on them, we should collect and compare information here first (rather than the Wii Browser Not Free section). --Twile 18:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Lauch titles

I added a type of game section to lauch titles - but it wasn't completely wanted - any concensus ?

My edit http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wii&diff=75751014&oldid=75750076

response - http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wii&diff=75751387&oldid=75751014— Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.251.136 (talk • contribs)

I don't think it's needed, for the same reason we decided to get rid of the column stating whether the game was Wii exclusive or not. TJ Spyke 20:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

How is that vandalism then? - becuase you don't think it's needed— Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.251.136 (talk • contribs)

?? I never said it was vandalism. TJ Spyke 20:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

You did revert the column addition once along with some other edits, and described it simply as reverting vandalism in your edit summary. Probably just a misunderstanding. Dancter 20:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I thought 'type of game' was as important as 'publisher' if not more. Any thoughts on putting it it?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.251.136 (talk • contribs)

WarioWare Smooth Moves

Has it been confirmed for launch, because I haven't heard that anywhere else.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.92.26 (talk • contribs)

They said it would not be a launch game but would be out within 90 days of launch, I haven't seen anything about them changing that. TJ Spyke 20:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

More Channels

http://www.wii.com/ They have one video for each channel, but two videos coming soon, which probably means two more channels. I dont' know if this is important enough to put in the article.