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Bret Hart

Okay, so, I have video proof that for at least one match in the WWF, Bret Hart was billed as "Brett Hart". Would it be proper to use this as a source, or, since it could end up getting removed, do we need a more permanent source? ^{(talk page stalker)} CrashUnderride 20:33, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

That's not the only time this has happened. However, in the real world, one would consider that a "typo", not a "source". There is also "proof", namely his 1979 match with Buzz Sawyer which originally aired on WTBS and was included in the Dungeon Collection DVD, that Hart was billed from Great Falls, Montana (see here). We don't appear to acknowledge that, however. Considering what Piper and Benoit had to say about extraordinary dealings with U.S. Customs due to the lack of work visas in the business, I figure that had something to do with such billing, despite Solie having called him a "Canadian provincial champion" amateur wrestler directly before the commercial break. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 23:50, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

• Crash Underride - personally I would screenshot any videos and upload to imgur. starship.paint ~ KO 20:47, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Sound like a good idea.★Trekker (talk) 16:48, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Requested move

TNA King of the Mountain Championship to TNA Television Championship.LM2000 (talk) 01:36, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Well that is just dumb. The title underwent an actual peer review. It was at the appropriate name. It died under the King of the Mountain name and the entire fanbase knew it was renamed. Its technical commonname is the King of the Mountain Championship.--WillC 09:18, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

So "appropriate" is not about "knowing it was renamed", and I'm not sure what the differecne between "Common name" and "technical common name" is - but it was known as the TV title for a lot longer.  MPJ-DK  11:41, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

A second RM has been started, so chime in if you didn't get the chance last time.LM2000 (talk) 03:21, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, perhaps dumb. I closed that first RM as move, since it was unopposed. Is this article so thinly watched that nobody noticed? Dicklyon (talk) 03:37, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: you closed it after one vote. That was cast the day you closed it. Was it even actually listed here? It doesn't say so. ^{(talk page stalker)} CrashUnderride 06:55, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

No, the project was never notified. oknazevad (talk) 12:17, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Requested move

David Hart Smith to Davey Boy Smith Jr. is being requested.★Trekker (talk) 07:45, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Not quite yet a requested move...

Our handling of Mike DiBiase is problematic. The primary topic is a WP:TWODABS page containing Mike DiBiase (wrestler, born 1923) and Mike DiBiase (wrestler, born 1977). First off, we're using parenthetical disambiguation when natural disambiguation is possible. The use of "wrestler" in the article title is extraneous considering that we're not disambiguating anyone named Mike DiBiase who is not a wrestler. Furthermore, in the case of the older wrestler, someone who sees the article title pop up in the search dialogue box and doesn't investigate further might be misled into believing that he's still alive by seeing "born 1923" but not his year of death. The simple solution would be to rename the article on the older wrestler "Iron Mike DiBiase". However, common sense and the simplest Google search clearly indicate that he's the primary topic for "Mike DiBiase" by virtue of a far more distinguished career and the attention he received over the decades due to the nature of his death. The first hits for the younger wrestler concern his police standoff, not his wrestling career. If anyone can think of a better solution, let me know. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 05:20, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

• So how many dab titles actually have both the year he was born and died? I've never actually seen that myself so I don't see the logic there.  MPJ-DK  11:42, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I've never seen a dab title with the death date in it...ever. ^{(talk page stalker)} CrashUnderride 14:53, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

I saw a few cases John Smith (New South Wales politician, born 1821) John Smith (New South Wales politician, born 1811) --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:28, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

I believe the others were referring to what I suggested, rendering "1923–1969" in the title as opposed to "born 1923". Either way, it's unnecesarily clunky. The dab page for John Smith is 20,754 bytes. In contrast, the dab page for Mike DiBiase is 482 bytes, which includes the standard invisible comment added to short dab pages. Such a naming convention obviously works in the cases of more common names where there's a real need for such disambiugation, but not in this case.

As I was rushing to get out the door, I didn't even look at the revision history. It appears the dab page was clumsily created in February 2011 by a user who was indef'ed about a year later for disruptive editing. The articles were moved to their current titles last month from Michael DiBiase and Mike DiBiase II. The revision history of the dab page shows an attempt by InedibleHulk in June 2014 to fix the problem with a rationale similar to what I and others in this thread suggested. In response, we saw yet another example of Boleyn's extensive history of WP:OWN behavior and edit warring as it concerns dab pages, which has continued in this case of this page to the present day. As I've been the victim of this sort of behavior who knows how many times in the past, it might be best for me to bow out of the issue. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 03:49, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

A move to Iron Mike DiBiase would work but I agree he's ultimately the primary topic either way. There's nothing wrong with birth year in dab titles but it's not ideal and I can't think of a better title to move the younger DiBiase to.LM2000 (talk) 22:23, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

An example from hockey would be Jack Adams. The one who is clearly more notable is at Jack Adams. The other one is at Jack Adams (ice hockey, born 1920). Jack Adams has a hatnote linked to the disambiguation page (Jack Adams (disambiguation)), while Jack Adams (ice hockey, born 1920) has a hatnote linked to Jack Adams. GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:04, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

I like "Mike" and "Iron Mike". My second choice is plain "Mike" for the elder and Mike DiBiase (non-ferrous Mississippian Virgo). InedibleHulk (talk) 04:22, February 18, 2017 (UTC)

How about Mike DiBiase (20th century wrestler) and Mike DiBiase (21st century wrestler)? McPhail (talk) 15:04, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Centuries are only supposed to be used if there's no more-specific date available. In this case, the dates of birth are know and already in use. Now, an argument for Iron Mike DiBiase for the elder man is possible, and I agree we don't need "wrestler" in either disambiguator, so that's what I'd do, move the older DiBiase to "Iron Mike DiBiase" as WP:NATDIS, and move the younger to Mike DiBiase (born 1977). oknazevad (talk) 16:42, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

I like that. GaryColemanFan (talk) 21:06, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

I like that too.LM2000 (talk) 05:07, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

I agree with this as well. What do we do with the Mike DiBiase link? I think it would be for the best to redirect it to Iron Mike.★Trekker (talk) 09:18, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I do think the grandfather is more notable, but then we run into the issue of why not just use the plain name if it's a redirect. It's definitely a WP:TWODABS situation, though, and a dab page is utterly unneeded and against established guidelines, so any whining and ownership behavior glcqn to take a flying leap. oknazevad (talk) 13:19, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Well I belive the elder DiBiase is the most well known under the "Iron Mike" moniker so I think it makes sense to redirect it to him.★Trekker (talk) 13:25, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Edit war at the Survivor Series (1992) article

There seems to have been an edit war at the article and it looks kind of like a mess right now. I have opened up a discussion on the talk page and I would appreciate if any others would like to participate. I can't edit it myslef since it's been protected so I'm not sure what to do.★Trekker (talk) 13:37, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Dead links

What about those dead links in reigns tables in WWE titles articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.156.93.97 (talk) 20:47, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

• Yeah, you should totally go ahead and fix them.  MPJ-DK  21:07, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Don't know which links would be accepted, don't want to paste 1000 links only to them being removed.