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Division names in career stats tables

Should division names such as the Isthmian League Premier Division and Southern League Premier Division be written in full in career stats tables, or should they be abbreviated like this? LTFC 95 (talk) 22:51, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Personally I would go with Isthmian Premier and Southern Premier. The biggest issue is stuff like Northern Premier League Division One South because Northern League is a different division. I have tried stuff like Northern Div. 1 South, but I just stick to the full title now.--EchetusXe 10:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

When it's linked I think it's less of an issue either way, but she be consistent through pages. --SuperJew (talk) 13:44, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

There isn't consistency in editing habits throughout pages regarding this issue which is proven in the example I included and why I brought it up here. The only consistency throughout pages is with the Northern Premier League divisions where we abbreviate Northern Premier League Premier Division to NPL Premier Division, for example. Personally, apart from the Northern Premier League divisions where the names are too long, I think the full league name should be written. LTFC 95 (talk) 18:40, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Malaysia Super League

A user has moved Malaysia Super League and its season pages to Liga Super, saying that's the official name. Can anyone familiar take a look and make sure if it's the right thing to do? Coderzombie (talk) 07:59, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Seems to be fairly regularly referred to as "Malaysia Super League" or "Malaysian Super League" in English reliable sources.[1][2] The operator of the professional setup in the country even refer to the "Malaysia Super League".[3] This should have been discussed before the moves. Hack (talk) 13:56, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

I reverted the move. Hopefully that will encourage them to discuss it. Otherwise can we please move protect it? Joseph2302 (talk) 14:40, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

@JebatMalaya: has again moved the pages back to the titles. I have asked him to consult here first. Coderzombie (talk) 04:58, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I've requested a move revert again. Please can an admin move protect? Anyway, English sources support Malaysia Super League, I believe that's the common name. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:44, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Someone really does need to come in. They seem to be changing everything. LordAtlas (talk) 06:57, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I have been improving most article about Malaysian football league system for years. Regarding the name Malaysia Super League to Liga Super, for your information, the league official name is Liga Super since its inception in 2004 and has been called TM Liga Super for sponsorship reason from 2005 to 2010. The league management has been taken over from Football Association of Malaysia by Football Malaysia LLP (FMLLP) since 2015. The website of Football Malaysia LLP was recently created after that, and it can be seen the article in the website has been poorly written with a mix of English and Malay language. Even the website has taken some of its content from the Wikipedia too regarding the translation as I have been notice.(Yes, the organisation is new, and with new young people in it) The problem with previous article name and even before that, the article name was a "direct translation" instead of the proper name. Even the name Malaysia Super League was the result of my old edit on Wikipedia instead of Malaysian Super League (how the league was properly referred in English, but it was not the official name). However, the changes was made right now is to improve the article even further and keep the article in question to have a standard, consistent and proper name by using its official name as the one used by the the league management since 2004. Its inline with how other league page was referred like in La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, Eredivise, Campeonato Brasileiro Série A, Argentine Primera División, Liga MX and various other league page was written. I assure to you all, the league official name is Liga Super and referred to as Liga Super 2017 for its season. Here I give the proof of its official name including current logo with sponsorship etc.Football Association of Malaysia official website, Various news information located on Football Malaysia LLP news, the website of Football Association of Malaysia League Management, Football Malaysia LLP official Facebook page and example of how the league is referred to as Liga Super by FMLPP Football Malaysia LLP Facebook post, FMLLP repost of information from TV9 the official broadcaster of Liga Super and Liga Super Official Broadcaster JebatMalaya (talk) 06:58, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Here I gave you various references about Liga Super. FAM official news FAM news. Liga Super official club website - Melaka United Selangor Felda United Perak TBG. Example Major News outlet - Sinar HarianSemuanyaBolaThe Malay OnlineMstarUtusan MalaysiaBerita HarianBerita Harian 2RTM, MSNBERNAMA JebatMalaya (talk) 07:21, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Here more references by major news outlet.ESPNEurosport UKAstroFourthOfficialFootballchannelSelangorKiniMediacorp SG JebatMalaya (talk) 08:06, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

A Google News search for the terms "Super League" AND Malaysia returns well over ten times the number of English language results of "Super Liga" AND Malaysia, with similar results when comparing "Malaysia Super League" to "Super Liga Malaysia". This was a controversial move, you need to follow the process. Hack (talk) 09:48, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

the term you search are not right. Its "Liga Super" AND Malaysia. Not "Super Liga". If you check again using the term "Liga Super", the number are reversed. 6.2 million results for Liga Super AND Malaysia while only mere 1.9 million for Super League AND Malaysia. If you go into a specific search of "Liga Super" AND Malaysia, it come out double the number with 808,000 results compare to "Super League" AND Malaysia with only 398,000.JebatMalaya (talk) 10:10, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Liga Super is not what's commonly used in English. Naturally it'll end up skewed if Malay folks look up the Malay name. LordAtlas (talk) 10:45, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that's also happen when you used the term Super League as there are so many different country using the same term. Thats why, as one of the major contributor for Malaysian football Wikipedia, I would like to improve the article by using the official registered competition name the Liga Super that was used since the league was created in 2004. Most of article in internet regarding Liga Super has been flawed with misconception by the used of multiple different direct translation of Liga Super for years. So, by using the name of "Liga Super" which is the official and common name (as the league article is about Malaysian football), I do hope to improve the overall quality of article regarding Malaysian football. JebatMalaya (talk) 11:10, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

The fact that no one has had any problems until now kind of proves you wrong. LordAtlas (talk) 11:36, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Define no one? I gave you one major simple example, The league is called officially as "Liga Super" and the league management has also used the same name. However, some website used multiple different direct translation as Malaysian Super League or Malaysia Super League. Thats the problem. JebatMalaya (talk) 11:54, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

The page has been Malaysia Super League since forever. No one has complained. Everyone says Malaysia Super League. You are literally making a mountain out of a mole hill for no reason. LordAtlas (talk) 12:10, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Wrong again. The article has not been named Malaysia Super League like forever. It was named as such during my earlier work with Wikipedia in 2015. Before that, the article not even up to current standard with a name of "Super League Malaysia" and couple other name which was used to make it sound like an English translation. You said "Everyone says Malaysia Super League"? who? that everyone? Have you done any improvement on Malaysian football related article in recent years? Back to the topic, with the used of official and common name as the Liga Super article name will help bring up the quality standard of the article in question. The name of Malaysia Super League can still be used as a redirect to its main proper article name. This include with various other search like Malaysian Super League. JebatMalaya (talk) 12:34, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

My mistake about the word order - Super League is still five times more commonly used than Liga Super (the results of which are skewed by a large number of Malay results), a pretty significant disparity. Hack (talk) 16:23, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

If you compare the search of "Super League" AND Malaysia with "Liga Super" (as what league is officially called) the result is about double, not five times, mind you, the result with term "Super League" are skewed as well as its a generic term. If you directly compared another results of "Malaysia Super League" with "Liga Super", you will get about the same number of search. Which this discussion is about, the article name of "Malaysia Super League" to "Liga Super". JebatMalaya (talk) 17:02, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Also, when you are comparing about the search of Malay results, you have to understand, this is a football league in small country located in South East Asia, not a popular global league like La Liga, Bundesliga, Eridivise or Serie A. So, this WikiProject Football is about improving the quality of the article. This is a another step to improve the quality, by using the proper name which is consistently used by the league management and major media as I have provide the sources above.JebatMalaya (talk) 17:02, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Another simple search can be made, use the term "Liga Super" and compared with "Malaysia Super League" on google image, what will you see? Both will show a vast image of official league logo with a word of Liga Super. (Recent logo have Malaysia intact in it) If you limit the search to before 2012 you will see the official name of "Liga Super" but you will never find official logo of "Malaysia Super League" as that wording as I said was used as one of many other direct translations. So, the move of the article made here is a move to improve the quality of the article to be consistent with what being used by the officials rather than just a random work. So, as a person which has been doing a lot of research and involve with Malaysian football, this is the right move to create a consistent name of the article in question by using its official and common name used by the people which care about the league in general. JebatMalaya (talk) 17:21, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Per WP:COMMONNAME, the name commonly used in English-language reliable sources trumps the WP:OFFICIALNAME.

Malaysian news sources

• Bernama, the official new agency of Malaysia, uses Super League.[4][5][6]
• Malaysiakini uses Super League.[7][8][9]
• The Star (Malaysia) uses Super League.[10][11][12]
• The Sun (Malaysia) uses Super League and Malaysian Super League.[13][14][15]
• Malay Mail uses Super League.[16][17][18]
• FourFourTwo Malaysia uses Malaysia Super League.[19]
• New Straits Times uses Super League.[20][21][22]

Other sources from the region

• ESPN FC Asia uses Malaysia Super League and Malaysian Super League.[23]
• The Straits Times uses Malaysia Super League and Malaysian Super League.[24]
• AsiaOne uses Malaysia Super League and Malaysian Super League.[25][26][27]
• Channel NewsAsia uses Malaysia Super League and Malaysian Super League.[28][29][30]

The official site of Football Malaysia LLP, the administrator of the professional football league in Malaysia refers to the league as Super League in English on their site in the website navigation[31] and about us section.[32]. The content of the logo or the name in Malay is not relevant as the league is commonly known in English as some variation of Super League. Hack (talk) 03:35, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

As you stated above, per WP:COMMONNAME and the WP:OFFICIALNAME, when there is no single, obvious name that is demonstrably the most frequently used for the topic by these sources, editors should reach a consensus. When there are multiple names for a subject, all of them fairly common, and the most common has problems, it is perfectly reasonable to choose one of the others. As listed by you above, there are three variations of english version used, the Malaysian Super League, Malaysia Super League and Super League and all of these confusing english version inevitably refer to the official and common name, the Liga Super used in all media and official sources whether its English or Malay language. Football Malaysia LLP only point out the use of both different version of direct translation, the Malaysia Super League or Super League in the website, however they have consistently used official and common name, the Liga Super in most of its article, media release information and broadcaster information.[33][34][35][36][37][38][39][40][41] This is echo by the previous league management and the national football association, the Football Association of Malaysia in all its website, management site and news.[42][43][44] Which has been then used by the various news outlet local and international.[45][46][47][48][49][50][51][52][53][54][55][56][57][58][59][60][61][62][63][64][65] It is also supported in used by the club competing in the league official website.[66][67][68][69][70] That's the main reason why all three English variations (and some others such as Super League Malaysia etc) has led to confusion and should be point to the main common name used, the Liga Super.JebatMalaya (talk) 09:18, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Mind you, we are talking about a small football league located in the third world country in South East Asia, with a national football team which has never reach a world cup and have a FIFA ranking of 160+ out of 200 and where the majority of the fans or coverage will be locally which mean most of the news will be in physical form instead of easily obtained online which for most people from around the world will easily dismissed the important of the said league and just find whatever news they can read in english and dismissed any references they cannot read. Here we as in the WikiProject Football community is about improving the quality of article regarding a football related information and as a fellow editor which focus on improving the quality of Malaysian football article, this is a right step to improve the said article in order to avoid confusion especially with a lot of misinformation nowadays. I would like to point out which even the RSSF record has addressed the league name properly.[71][72][73][74][75][76][77] JebatMalaya (talk) 15:52, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Totals for loans in Career statistics table

Evening all, I recently added totals to the two loan spells Darren Bent had in the career statistics table. The edit containing these totals was subsequently reverted by Mattythewhite - and probably rightly so according to WP:FOOTY/Players. I'm not a big fan of the layout provided in the template and thought I'd bring it up for discussion here.

The lack of a Total row at the end of each club, even if the player was only at said club for one season, breaks the chain so to speak. If you add up all the totals they don't correlate with the Career total because the single-season/loan season don't have totals. This makes tallying up the statistics a chore and breaks the general aesthetic of the table, with some club's having totals and others not. There is also nothing separating the loan spell with the player's next club which makes it seem as if the stats flow until the Total below.

It's a small thing but I'd like to have a discussion on it nonetheless. Cheers, Liam E. Bekker (talk) 18:08, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree with you Liam for the reasons mentioned. As it is these tables aren't kept up-to-date very well, so anything which makes it easier should be promoted IMO. I'd even suggest having some kind of template for it which would only need input of seasons and would automatically total the club and career totals. --SuperJew (talk) 18:22, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Total rows for single season spells are completely pointless. Why do we need an extra row that repeats exactly the same figures stated in the row above? As for the aesthetics of the table, doing this makes it worse not better. LTFC 95 (talk) 18:32, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree with the above. I never thought of the totals rows having to add up to the final row.--EchetusXe 23:46, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Disagree. Having a total row which will just have the same exact number as the row above is not needed. To highlight such a one season case, i agree that there should be done something. Kante4 (talk) 04:02, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Christian Pulisic

Christian Pulisic plays in Europe but is American, is he considered a soccer player or a footballer? Also, his biography seems to contain a lot of unnecessary information such as starting appearances and goals in friendlies. I also question whether an 18 year old player with 30 professional appearances really needs three subsections.Danieletorino2 (talk) 00:00, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Soccer as he is american. But agree that this article needs to be trimmed. Kante4 (talk) 04:07, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Soccer player as per Kante's reasons, although football is referred to as soccer in South Africa and South African's are considered footballers on Wikipedia (?). A discussion for another day perhaps. The article could do with some slight trimming but most of the content, including some of the friendly information, serves as an intro into the body that follows. Stylistically I don't mind the subsections either. Liam E. Bekker (talk) 09:59, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Romano Sion

Did this chap really play for Millwall? FORADEJOGO says he had one appearance to kickstart his senior career, and two different interwikis also claim he appeared for them (but the timeframes do not match), has zero credit without a source of course.

I begun to have second thoughts on this after reverting an anon user in the piece who may have been in the right even though the info was inserted shabbily, now come here to find closure. Attentively --85.242.133.151 (talk) 02:34, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

I haven't been able to find a better source but it seems he did play for Millwall. Link: [78] Liam E. Bekker (talk) 04:37, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

That link doesn't work for me. Anyway, he is not listed at Soccerbase, Neil Brown's site, or Barry Hugman's site, so if he was ever on Millwall's books, he didn't play first team football -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:19, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

No sign of him here (the season when FdJ claims he played for them) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:21, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

That's the wrong season, he played in the Anglo-Italian Cup vs Portsmouth 29 Sep 1992 [79].Cattivi (talk) 07:50, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

BTW there are more errors on foradejogo He only played 13 league games for Emmen (on loan from Groningen in 1996-97, he didn't play for them in 1997-98). Groningen and RBC (another loan) are OK. He signed for (SVV)/Dordrecht one year later. 21 league games in 1991-92 , 11 in 1992-93. Millwall was a trial. Haarlem should be 5 league games in 1991-92, 27 in 1990-91, 6 in 1989-90 and 4 in 1988-89. Cattivi (talk) 15:58, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks y'all, info retrieved to article! But i have another doubt, if you please: if he was only a trialist, do you folks think a club category should be added? --85.242.133.151 (talk) 20:28, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

If he actually played first team football for Millwall then of course he should be in the Millwall players category. The fact that he was a trialist is not relevant -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 22:13, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo

I invite editors to assist with expanding the article about the recently unveiled Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo. There are additional sources shared on the article's talk page. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:37, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Does not make it notable per se. It can be added to his article in a few sentences, but not more. Kante4 (talk) 15:40, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

And what is this? Statue of Cristiano Ronaldo Kante4 (talk) 15:43, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

@Another Believer: I suggest you merge both those articles into Cristiano Ronaldo, otherwise they will be AfD'd. Cheers, Number 57 15:53, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't plan to merge either, but thanks for the suggestion. @Number 57: The work has received a lot of coverage:

---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:54, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Now at AfD then: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo. Number 57 16:04, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree with above that both bust and statue should be merged into other articles (bust into airport, and statue into CR7). --SuperJew (talk) 16:08, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

 Moved to draft space: Draft:Bust of Cristiano Ronaldo. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:44, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

James Demetriou creation?

Hi all.

Stumbled across the player James Demetriou on Soccerway and noticed he has made one appearance for Karmiotissa in the Cypriot Cup. According to the fully professional leagues page the Cypriot First Division is classed as professional, I know the app. wasn't in that competition but it's my understanding that if a player has made an appearance in a cup competition for an FPL club he is eligible for a Wikipedia article; although I'm not sure if that's 100% the case, it isn't quite clear. To get to my point, I was going to create the page but realised I couldn't due to it being deleted three times previously (pre-this Cypriot Cup appearance), so now only administrators can create it.

In short: A) Is he now eligible for an article? B) Could an admin create it, or is there a way to remove the admin only creation? I'm not sure for certain either way.

Cheers. R96Skinner (talk) 22:00, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, Demetriou passes WP:NFOOTY, as both Karmiotissa and AEK Larnaca play in the Cypriot First Division. You can file a request at WP:RFP or ask an administrator to remove the protection (see WP:SALT). S.A. Julio (talk) 22:38, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

@R96Skinner: I've restored the article. Please can you update to show notability? GiantSnowman 07:04, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Done. Thanks! R96Skinner (talk) 19:50, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Country vs international subheading in honours

Hi. Recently I've noticed Messirulez change the country subheading to "international" (which I thought was fine because that's usually how I see it) but Macosal reverted an edit like this on Matthew Ryan per Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players. To me, international would make more sense as that's usually the subheading we use for international stats as well. Country doesn't seem correct in some cases if a player has played for more than one country. I would propose an amendment to the guideline if enough people agree for the sake of consistency. Thanks, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 19:02, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Agree. Kante4 (talk) 19:10, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Also agree. Number 57 21:44, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Agree. LTFC 95 (talk) 22:18, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

For consistency sake I prefer international. Liam E. Bekker (talk) 22:20, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree. R96Skinner (talk) 23:09, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Spain national under-17 football team

Would someone from footy mind taking a look at the edits of Rickym2525. The editor is new seems to be making good faith attempts to improve national youth team articles, but most of what they are adding looks like a bit of WP:ORish and is not supported by any sources. I've undid a few of the edits, but I'm not sure how to clean up Spain national under-17 football team. FWIW, if the edits being made are actually OK, then feel free to undo my reverts. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:59, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

2 point count for a win

How is it possible that to modify Template:Fb rs in a season article, so a won match results in 2 points, not in 3 points? I'd like to use it for a season when 2 points were awarded for a win, so the point account is "real". -Lemmy- (talk) 11:09, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

@-Lemmy-: Just updated the template, you should be able to use |wp=2 to switch the win value to 2 points instead of 3. S.A. Julio (talk) 13:01, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks a lot :-) -Lemmy- (talk) 20:20, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Recent significant changes to an article

There have been multiple changes to List of association football competitions today. It may just be a case of personal preference because I can't say definitively that either version is better. Although, I think some competitions have not made it to the new version (I have not had the chance to check yet). What are the project's guidelines in situations like this? Equineducklings (talk) 18:26, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

I tried to look more closely and is seems like some of the smaller competitions are now missing (UEFA Nations League, Caribbean Cup, among others). It's hard to tell what all is missing after the changes. I'm not sure if reverting all of it is the way to go. Thoughts? Equineducklings (talk) 23:52, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Did players earn caps for recent abandoned Ivory Coast v Senegal game?

The National-Football-Team.com source has given players caps for this game even though it was abandoned in the 88th minute. In the Ivory Coast national football team artice there seems to have been a decision not to add caps for this game with the following note: "Match abandoned, for field invasion, after 88 minutes on the score of 1-1. Presences and goals NOT to be counted unless official decisions"

Is there any precedent for this and how was it dealt with? If we are not counting it as a cap then we will have to add notes to every relevant player with a NFT.com source. Stuart1234 (talk) 00:43, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

A friendly between Spain and Scotland in September 2004 was abandoned early in the second half due to a flash storm and floodlight failure BBC. I don't know about Spain, but Scotland still awarded caps for the game RSSSF. The same applied to a previous abandoned game v Austria in the 1960s. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 06:10, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

A Euro qualifier between Albania and Serbia was abandoned after 42 mins and Albania awarded a 3–0 win. Seems nft and soccerway list caps from the match. --SuperJew (talk) 07:09, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

There is no general rule, and national FAs may recognize the abandoned match or not, for example for the abandoned friendly in 1995 between England and Rep. of Ireland no caps have been awarded.213.156.121.92 (talk) 05:22, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

details for old players

Hoping to get some assistance regarding personal details of a couple of early 20th century Scottish players who by coincidence both played for Liverpool - Thomas Robertson (footballer, born 1875) and Donald McKinlay. I won't bore you with the details but I think they were born in the same place however the sources I can view don't confirm this. If it seems like something that you could help with or would be interested in, I have put a bit of explanation on the article talk pages already (but no replies there). Thanks.Crowsus (talk) 08:36, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Crowsus, I hope these links help. (1) Thomas Robertson: [80]; (2) Donald Mackinlay: [81]. Please also note the year of birth for Tom compared to the Wikpedia page. Cheers, Liam E. Bekker (talk) 09:46, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, but to be honest those don't really help, they are the first things that come up on Google and are already linked in the Wiki articles. And they contain the exact information ('Birthplace: Newton Mearns') I'm hoping to disprove! Non-web stuff is really what I need, particularly given the inconsistencies you have highlighted.Crowsus (talk) 09:50, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

FWIW, the Smith book I added to McKilnay's article says Glasgow as his place of birth. GiantSnowman 09:51, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. The SFA profile says likewise. As I put in the talk, I think at some point a Liverpool stat person has seen Newton and added Mearns thinking that was it, but the other circumstances suggest Cambuslang is right.Crowsus (talk) 14:47, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

When should titles be updated?

There's already a few folk updating Celtic's latest title win, confirmed today, in the relevant articles. I'd have thought this isn't a good idea until the season is actually finished as articles might get inconsistent, and other users might update them for a second time at that point. But technically it's correct that they have won the title. What is the consensus on when these things should be updated? Crowsus (talk) 15:21, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

If you're talking about the infobox, they probably shouldn't be updated until the entire Scottish season (all promotion/relegation) has been decided, otherwise, like you say, things start to get inconsistent. Unfortunately it's difficult to stop IPs and overexcitable editors from doing this... Number 57 15:25, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

When it is confirmed i would say. Kante4 (talk) 15:29, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with updating it once it's a certainty. Leagues/Associations often congratulate the teams securing the premiership early before the end of the season (such as FFA congratulating Sydney FC with 3 rounds to go) --SuperJew (talk) 17:28, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree that it should be fine to update once it is confirmed. It also prevents a situation where editors keep having to go back and forth to remove it each time the title is added in before the season ends. Liam E. Bekker (talk) 17:47, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for input folks, I will happily let all accurate confirmed-champion edits remain and just keep an eye out for anyone adding this season's titles a second time in the summer!Crowsus (talk) 18:35, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Don't see a problem with this sort of update. The only ones we need to revert are where people change an article to say "So-and-so F.C. currently play in the Premier League" nanoseconds after they clinch promotion, even if they still have five games left to play in the Championship.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:10, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Steaua name change

Officially FC Steaua București has changed their name to "FC FCSB" after a dispute with the romanian army (see ESPN article and The Sun). Also sites like Soccerway and even UEFA has already changed team name to FCSB. Should we change as well or should it stay at "Steaua București" per WP:COMMONNAME? Qed237 (talk) 09:09, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

I'd say to wait and see how independent media will report about them. --SuperJew (talk) 09:14, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Good article nominations

Hi all, I'd just like to bring it to this page's attention that there are quite a few football articles on the GA nominations page which are awaiting review. Reviewing is not my strong point but if there are any editors who can assist in addressing the nominations please do so. Cheers, Liam E. Bekker (talk) 09:42, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Franco Vázquez again

Can the "edit war" on his nationality qualified for full page protection? It look silly that recent changes were all about his nationality back and forth from Italian to Argentine. It looks wasting wikipedia resource on such "contribution". Matthew_hk tc 10:33, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

I actually had a chuckle at the back and forth when I had a look now. The page definitely warrants some sort of protection with that going on. Liam E. Bekker (talk) 10:52, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Football in South Africa

I don't know if this is an appropriate place to ask for people who want to help me get the South Africa leagues pages up to date? Freddie2016 (talk) 14:49, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

I'd be happy to help. Is there any particular area that needs updating most? R96Skinner (talk) 21:45, 4 April 2017 (UTC)