Talk:Islamic terrorism in Europe/Archive 1

Orphaned references in Terrorism in Europe (2014–present)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Terrorism in Europe (2014–present)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Cruickshank":

• From Salah Abdeslam: Paul Cruickshank (23 March 2016). "Abdeslam likely had plans with ISIS cell behind Brussels attacks, official says". CNN. Retrieved 23 March 2016.
• From 2016 Brussels police raids: Cruickshank, Paul (23 March 2016). "Abdeslam likely had plans with ISIS cell behind Brussels attacks, official says". CNN. Retrieved 23 March 2016.
• From 2014 Tours police station stabbing: Cruickshank, Paul (16 November 2015). "Drumbeat of terror precedes slaughter that shocks France and the world". CNN. Retrieved 17 November 2015.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 07:11, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Apologies "Cruickshank' was my fault, I added two refs fom the article page (there were none here) improperly. I have now replaced with a better ref, also from the main article. (Well how does one talk to a bot?). Pincrete (talk) 02:23, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Maybe we will discover that in the Wikipedia there will be the first bot that passes the Turing test? Lets wait for an answer .... ;-) LucLeTruc (talk) 02:31, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Possible move? SYNTH/OR and source concerns

This who thing is mostly OR and currently relies on one single source. "Wave of terror" is used by GlobalNews (written by the AP) and that's the only RS to use that term. The other sources were not WP:RS. My first impulse is to nominate this for AFD... but I looked for sources per WP:BEFORE and see variations of the term used by some sources (sometimes just for France, sometimes Europe generally). USA Today mentions the phrase. The Pope referred to it for the whole world ([1]). In short, the sources and article are a mess.

• I easily found lots of uses of "wave of terror" (and similar: terror wave, wave of terrorist...) describing this particular wave of terrorism in RS.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:13, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

"Wave of Terror" concerns me from an NPOV standpoint. It's catchy, but not exactly neutral sounding. Renaming the article something like Terrorist incidents in Europe in 2016 might be more appropriate to avoid issues with the phrase "wave of terror".

If we're to keep this, we need an RS explicitly saying each listed attack is part of this wave. And honestly I think we need more sources specifying that it's a European thing (and not a global or French one). A move to a more appropriate, larger scope article might be wise too. There are various lists like List of terrorist incidents in August 2016 which may work. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:37, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

This article is about the large number of (especially Islamist) terror attacks during 2015 and 2016. I think that worthy of an article. There are more terror attacks in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc. However, there are wars there - so that's to be expected. There are no wars in the EU. Jim Michael (talk) 20:09, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

The RT parallels the European "Wave of Terror" with US "911" [2], so it seems to have become the topic title (for now). Surely, this may change in retrospective, but for now "Wave of Terror" is the title, though surely should be disambiguated "in Europe" or "2015-present".GreyShark (dibra) 08:22, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

• Agree that we need a new title/focus. Something like 2015/6 Wave of Islamist attacks in Europe might do. to make both date, and ideological linkage specific.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:10, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
• On the other hand, I was just looking at a book (Goerzig, C., & Al-Hashimi, K. (2014). Radicalization in Western Europe: Integration, Public Discourse and Loss of Identity Among Muslim Communities. New York, USA: Routledge) that dates homegrown terrorism among European-born Muslims to the 1995 Paris Métro and RER bombings and the2002 Lyon car attack (p. 67), and the authors really may have a point. I think I could really see the point of an article on Contemporary Islamist terrorism in Western Europe.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:10, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

While I would not oppose a change of scope if there are sources to support it, I would be a bit wary of the geographic term "Western Europe". The relevant article points to several different definitions, which come with different inclusion standards. The United Nations Statistics' definition specifically includes only 9 countries (Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands, Switzerland). The definition used by the regional voting bloc Western European and Others Group includes 24 states (including some in the Balkans). the definition used by the European Union involves all of its 28 member states, while another related definitions also includes the 4 remaining members of the European Free Trade Association (countries with legal and trade ties to the EU which are not actually interested in becoming member states). The definition used by the CIA includes Ireland, the United Kingdom, Spain, and Portugal, but specifically excludes Germany and anything to the east of France. Remember that the regions of Europe are often defined differently based on specific geographic, political, cultural, or religious ideas. Dimadick (talk) 06:33, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Of course there has been terror in Europe prior to this Wave of Terror, but the topic of this article is not "Terrorism in Europe" or "Islamic terrorism in Europe", but "Wave of Terror in Europe". "Wave of Terror" terminology seems to have been utilized widely by the media.GreyShark (dibra) 11:25, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

• It's not surprising that a few mentions of the phrase "Wave of terror in Europe" can be found in newspapers (even though it's surely not the common name): the term "wave" is a journalistic cliché, like every summer's heat wave, and the phrase "wave of terror" is catchy yet empty, just like "war on terror". It can be applied to any series of terrorist attacks in any country since the XIX century or before, but it certainly does not define a specific period. If this article isn't merged into Terrorism in the European Union, I propose to rename it to Terrorism in the European Union (2015-6), which is the most obvious name for a split from that main article. "European Union" is also more precise than Europe (otherwise, Turkey and Russia may be included, too). It would also be similar to Israeli-Palestinian conflict (2015-present) (main article: Israeli-Palestinian conflict), which some have called – needless to say – "wave of terror", too. Nykterinos (talk) 13:56, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Problem in table sorting

When sorting attacks by death, it ranks only by the first numeral (86, 4, 32, 2, 2, 2, 130, 12). I would love to fix this but don't know how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:240:C603:48F0:21E:C2FF:FEAA:943C (talk) 20:29, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Ethem Aydin Orhon

I am removing this attack, given that the motive of this mentally ill assailant was revenge on the police, who had arrested him the day before for possession of a knife. Nick Cooper (talk) 16:07, 20 December 2016 (UTC)