Talk:Robert De Niro

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Coathooking and POV

Although, calling him Wakefield instead of Dr. Wakefield is valid, I suggest that Gongwool's edits are biased, as is his reason for striking the "Dr." as Wakefield still is a doctor by virtue of his education. However, more importantly removing the history that the withdrawal of Vaxxed from the Tribecca festival also resulted in an outcry of protest is manipulative and promoting a POV by rewriting history. Additionally, the "trial" is misrepresented. The General Medical Council charges were for falsifying data and ethics, and Wakefied's and co-authors medical licenses were revoked, however, there was a lot more to the story. The subsequent Mr. Justice Mitting 2012 trial for plaintiff co-author Prof. John Walker-Smith found that the GMC used flawed reasoning in their determinations and made factual mistakes. Mitting quashed the GMC findings. See: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/mar/07/mmr-row-doctor-appeal and http://www.eastwoodslaw.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Walker-Smith.pdf. The bottom line is that the report was not fraudulent and the data was not falsified. Neither did Wakefield advise against measles vaccinations. As a result of his study, he suggested some children may be vulnerable to a unique gastrointestinal condition as the result of the combination MMR shot so single vaccinations for measles might be a wiser course, although more study was needed. Going into all that would be coat-hooking, which is the current and inaccurate state of this entry. I'm not interested in playing these games, but I ask that other editors consider the facts and attempt to represent truth and fairness in the section pejoratively titled "Anti-Vaccination Movement" in this BLP. Seabreezes1 (talk) 17:49, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

MY ORIGINAL EDITS:

De Niro acknowledged that he championed the inclusion of a controversial film about vaccinations, Vaxxed, directed by Andrew Wakefield at the 2016 Tribeca Film Festival. Wakefield was barred from practicing medicine as a result of his hypothesis that connected the MMR vaccine with a gastrointestinal disease associated with autism that was published in a 1998 paper. That study was later retracted by the journal's editors. De Niro explained his interest came from his son's autism, but was strongly criticized. De Niro withdrew his recommendation after discussion with the scientific community. He and the film festival team concluded, "we do not believe it contributes to or furthers the discussion I had hoped for." Following a wave of criticism, De Niro and Tribeca announced that they would pull the film from the program, an action met by another equally vociferous wave of criticism from the public and those in the scientific community who agree with Dr. Wakefield and his associates. They charged the censorship was due to power and politics rather than science. Seabreezes1 (talk) 17:49, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

I undid the coat hooking and made it as neutral and factual as I could for a BLP. Seabreezes1 (talk) 21:15, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

How dare you call me an astroturfer. You need to now provide the name of which Corp or ThinkTank etc you allege is paying me to edit here. Such an accusation is quite serious. I'm no astroturfer, but you Seebreezes1 are clearly a prof of fringe consp theory considering your use of Natural News as a cite. WP doesn't support your WP:FRINGE. Bye, Gongwool (talk) 05:10, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Adding a section under in a BLP who is in the film industry under the title "Anti-Vaccination Movement" that talks about the the "dishonesty" of a medical doctor and calls him a "conspiracy theorist", when all the film star did was to recommend and then withdraw his recommendation for a movie is definitely a POV. Here is my second, and last, attempt to inject some objectivity into the article, under the much more appropriate sub-heading TRIBECA FILM FESTIAL

In 2002, De Niro was one of the three founding members of the Tribeca Film Festival. According to the Tribecca website, “The Festival’s mission is to help filmmakers reach the broadest possible audience, enable the international film community and general public to experience the power of cinema and promote New York City as a major filmmaking center. Tribeca Film Festival is well known for being a diverse international film festival that supports emerging and established directors.”

De Niro championed the inclusion of a controversial documentary about vaccinations, Vaxxed, directed by Andrew Wakefield at the 2016 Tribeca Film Festival. De Niro explained his interest in the film resulted from his family experience with an autistic son. De Niro was criticized for his promotion of the film which was assumed to question or criticize vaccination policy. De Niro withdrew his recommendation after discussion with vaccination proponents in the scientific community. He and the film festival team concluded, "we do not believe it contributes to or furthers the discussion I had hoped for," an action met by another equally vociferous wave of criticism from others in the scientific community who charged the censorship was due to politics rather than science.Seabreezes1 (talk) 18:41, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

P.S. I used a number of citations, the Natural News citation was only used to document that charges of censorship. But point taken, here is the same charge listed in the Washington Post, which also quotes Di Nero saying he is not anti-vaccination, again an inappropriate subheading: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/27/filmmakers-accuse-robert-de-niro-of-censorship-after-he-yanks-anti-vaccine-movie-from-tribeca-festival/ Seabreezes1 (talk) 18:50, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

1. I am still awaiting the name of the Corp Seabreezes1 alleges I am being paid by to edit on WP.

2. I have made changes to my sentence to satisfy his concerns raised.

3. I do not support his changing the title of the section different to its original intended title by the original ed.

4. Seebreezes1 has the consensus of one on talkpage, ie himself, with regard his demands to changes.

5. On initial reading, as is often in Seabreezes1's proposed text, content is not reflected in sources. As such I do not support the changes.

6. Seabreezes1's NaturalNews is the worst possible example of an unrel source anyone could introduce to such an article, and thus reflective of Seabreezes1's Fringe POV. Bye Gongwool (talk) 22:31, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

I will change the heading to COATHOOKING and POV from Astroturfing in this section, as a more appropriate claim. As further support of that charge and documentation that the content of the "Anti-Vaccination" section on this BLP, I offer the 13 April 2016 live interview with Robert De Niro on today, where he repeatedly says he is NOT anti-vaccine, he is PRO SAFE VACCINE. He also goes on to say that the reason Tribeca pulled Vaxxed was that in the final days leading up to the Festival, a group of other film makers threatented to pull their films from the line up if Vaxxed was included, Since that would have been disastrous for the festival, Tribeca acquiesed. However, De Niro with co-founder Rosenthal at his side was quite definite about several things, that EVERYONE should go see Vaxxed, that it is an important movie about the CDC more so than about vaccinations, and that once he has more time, he intends to get to the bottom of the threats to boycott the festival. I suggest that Wiki should make an effort to be accurate, especially in BLP when a nine minute unedited interview of the person is available as source material. See: http://www.today.com/popculture/robert-deniro-debates-autism-s-link-vaccines-today-show-t86136 Seabreezes1 (talk) 13:12, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Ummm, Seabreezes1, you're continuing to bang that POV drum of yours (in capitals I see) well after the fact, that source has already been added by someone else prior to your above rant. I disagree with your proposal to add "PRO SAFE VACCINE Professor of Immunology Doctor De Niro says EVERYONE should go see Vaxxed" as article text. I think you're the one with Coathooking and Fringe POV issues, not me. Gongwool (talk) 02:34, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

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Capitalization in the infobox

I'm curious, is it needed for "actor" to be capitalized in the infobox? Boomer Vial^Holla 00:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2017

In the second paragraph, in the sentence:

"De Niro's first major film roles were in the sports drama, Bang the Drum Slowly (1973) and Scorsese's crime film Mean Streets (1973)."

The reference to Mean Streets as "Scorsese's crime film" is inaccurate and could only be made by someone whoe either 1) had not seen the film or 2) had seen the film but needed a one word descriptive and could not come up with any other term. There is minor crime in the film, but the picture should be described as a "slice of life" or "meditation on Little Italy circa 1970," or even "urban picaresque". 206.200.254.71 (talk) 20:00, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. —MRD2014 📞 contribs 00:16, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Could somebody add information as to how De Niro dealt with the draft and Vietnam? This is germane because of historical context and also because De Niro has played soldiers in movies. Finally, it is also relevant because he has made public statements about the meaning and import of citizenship, expressed his dislike of Trump and Trump voters, etc.