User talk:81.206.231.18

With reference to your link spamming across a large number of pages.

Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia; it is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. M100 10:20, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you insert a spam link, as you did in Triumph Herald, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Persistent spammers will have their websites blacklisted from Wikipedia. If you feel that the edit I reverted should not have been reverted, please contact me. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 22:53, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

September 27

This is your last warning. The next time you insert a spam link, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Persistent spammers may have their websites blacklisted from Wikipedia. Thatcher131 12:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Evening Thatcher, there seems to be a problem adding external links. I have read and understood the External links guideline and I am now somewhat confused. To give you an example; at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_Midget you will see the "MG Midget Challenge" external link. This challenge is part of the MG Car Club Ltd and therefore a commercial bussiness offering its services. It seems to be allowed. Adding the "FISC EuroTour" link, I thought to do it right by calling the link "racing series" and put it last in the queue, so someone not interested in motorracing would not bother to click in the first place. Second; perhaps more important is that the FISC EuroTour is being organized by a non profit foundation run by volunteers only. No business, but people sacrificing their free time and hollidays in order to offer the historic motorsport freaks a good time at the legendary Formula One circuits of the past. So what help or advice can you offer me to make it work? Enjoy, 81.206.231.18 19:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, adding links is sensitive, and just because your links were reverted does not mean all the other links in a particular article are "good". You can start by reading Wikipedia:Spam and Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided. The biggest problem is that you were adding the links to dozens of articles, not just one or two articles about F1 racing where it might be reasonable, but articles about cars where their connection to the present enterprise is tenuous at best. I would suggest asking on Talk:Formula One to see if the editors there would agree to allowing a limited number of links on relevant racing articles; the fact that this is non-profit may help somewhat. I would also describe the FISC Eurotour and see if you can get anyone interested in writing an article here about it. Generally, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia of things that are (important), not things that might be. That you are still in the organizing stage will make it hard for people to accept an article but if you have been written up in significant motor sports magazines or newspapers this should provide the verification needed to construct an article. You could do it yourself, but I would say on the article talk page that you are affiliated with the org and would like help in writing a good article. (Writing about your own org is pretty much viewed like autobiography; frowned upon but tolerated.) If you can get the support to write and maintain an article you can use internal links where appropriate with less hassle. (If you can't get support for an article now you probably will once the series has run some races and gotten coverage in independent media.) Hope this helps. Thatcher131 05:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Afternoon Thatcher, thanks for your swift reply. To put things straight; 1) FISC EuroTour has nothing to do with F1. However, it is one of the few organizers, organizing races for historic racing enthusiasts at the classic (read: "old" or "former") F1 circuits in Europe. To my knowledge it is the only "non-profit" organizer(!). 2) Have a look at the eligibility list of cars at http://fisc-europe.org/Eligible_Cars_EMC.php and you will realize that this is a one-to-one match with your list of reverted links. The connection therefore is not "tenuous" but "spot on". 3) The FISC EuroTour is being organized since 1994 and if you read the favorable reactions from the event organizers, the circuits where we have been racing ( http://fisc-europe.org/testimonials_organizers.php ), you will recognize that FISC EuroTour is a very appreciated organizer of such races. How do we proceed from here?

BTW thanks for your advice to invite someone to write and maintain a page about the FISC EuroTour. 81.206.231.18 12:07, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I would either (a) ask some to write an article on FISC Eurotour or (b) write it yourself. Regarding (a), you could ask on the talk page of a related article, or list it at Wikipedia:Requested articles. For (b), I would start by creating a user account to give yourself a stable identity. On your user page create a link to [[User:your username/FISC Eurotour]]. This will allow you to edit the article in your personal space which will prevent it from being deleted while you work it into shape. You will need at least some independent references, as coverage by independent media is the best way to establish that it meets the notability guidelines. Look at the Manual of Style and Wikipedia:Your first article for help. Don't copy from your web site, and try to make it sound like an encyclopedia article rather than a rah-rah web site or advetisement. When the article is in decent shape, use the move tab to move it to the main article space (i.e. move from [[User:your username/FISC Eurotour]] to [[FISC Eurotour]]). It would be nice to disclose on the talk page your affiliation. Expect to be edited; be nice about it even if you disagree and people will generally be nice back. Once the article is listed you can find other articles which you can link back to your own; your article should have wikilinks to other relevant articles. You can then go about listing it in related car articles; possibly in the body of the article, especially if there is a section of the article describing the racing history of the model. Note that if someone else starts the article for you, you can collaborate and add the links, etc, that I described. If, during this process, someone attempts to list the article for deletion, you can put {{helpme}} on your user talk page to get specific advice for dealing with each of the different deletion scenarios. Good luck.Thatcher131 18:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC)