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[[User:Laaabaseball|Laaabaseball]] ([[User talk:Laaabaseball|talk]]) 21:12, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
[[User:Laaabaseball|Laaabaseball]] ([[User talk:Laaabaseball|talk]]) 21:12, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
:See the [[Talk:Los Angeles Angels#Requested move 28 April 2017|discussion below]]. We acknowledged that some sources, both primary and secondary, still use "of Anaheim"; however, evidence showed that the vast majority of primary and secondary sources no longer have "of Anaheim" mentioned, and that even after the official change included "of Anaheim", it wasn't used by most secondary sources in referencing the team in media. I think the only issue is whether or not "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" is the ''official'' name, even if it never really has been the ''common'' name. I do agree that the sources don't indicate the change was officially made; it just appears the Angels have dropped it on most of their sites without legally changing anything. --[[User:JonRidinger|JonRidinger]] ([[User talk:JonRidinger|talk]]) 17:10, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
:See the [[Talk:Los Angeles Angels#Requested move 28 April 2017|discussion below]]. We acknowledged that some sources, both primary and secondary, still use "of Anaheim"; however, evidence showed that the vast majority of primary and secondary sources no longer have "of Anaheim" mentioned, and that even after the official change included "of Anaheim", it wasn't used by most secondary sources in referencing the team in media. I think the only issue is whether or not "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" is the ''official'' name, even if it never really has been the ''common'' name. I do agree that the sources don't indicate the change was officially made; it just appears the Angels have dropped it on most of their sites without legally changing anything. --[[User:JonRidinger|JonRidinger]] ([[User talk:JonRidinger|talk]]) 17:10, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
I agree that the move should have happened, as it *is* the common name, however, since there is no official confirmation that the name has been changed, it should still be listed with such verbage as "Officially the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" at the top of the article. [[User:Laaabaseball|Laaabaseball]] ([[User talk:Laaabaseball|talk]]) 04:25, 17 June 2017 (UTC)


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Name Change

Does anyone know if the Angels are changing back to the Los Angeles Angels for the 2014 season or are they remaining the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.2.246.30 (talk) 14:45, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As of right now (March 27, 2014), the team is still officially named Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, even though they are free to drop the of Anaheim at any time. I assume that the name will be officially changed in time for the 2015 season, but that is just speculation on my part. --CASportsFan (talk) 03:07, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like they've changed it officially, if quietly: their official Facebook[1], Instagram[2] and Twitter[3] pages all say "Los Angeles Angels". SixFourThree (talk) 19:49, 4 August 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]
On MLB.com, it says "THE OFFICIAL SITE OF THE LOS ANGELES ANGELS OF ANAHEIM". – Muboshgu (talk) 19:57, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
True, but that's the same site that used "Florida Marlins" for three years after they officially changed. Maintenance doesn't seem to be high on their list of priorities. SixFourThree (talk) 21:00, 4 August 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]
And FWIW, the MLB team list calls them "Los Angeles Angels".[4] Odd. SixFourThree (talk) 21:04, 4 August 2016 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]

This is completely misleading -- and based on this LA Times article from 2013 https://www.reddit.com/r/angelsbaseball/comments/1lg78p/los_angeles_angels_of_anaheim_could_be_no_more/, which uses phrases such as

>"Under the proposed deal"

and

>"Under the new deal, Moreno **could** simply call his team the Los Angeles Angels."

The linked souce, Anaheim*.com* is not the official Anaheim website, which is Anaheim*.net* http://web.archive.org/web/20130907090843/http://www.anaheim.com/attractions/guides/item/10201-city-council-approves-new-lease-for-angels-keeps-team-in-town-through-2019-angels-can-drop-anaheim-from-their-name

Anaheim.com was a tourist advertising site in 2013.

Also, the discussed lease will last through 2018 at a minimum based on this article

http://www.latimes.com/sports/angels/la-sp-angels-anaheim-stadium-20160927-snap-story.html

Which a later article says they will pass on and stay until 2029 http://www.latimes.com/sports/angels/la-sp-angels-stadium-lease-20170218-story.html

These pages on Angels.com still use the "Of Anaheim" moniker

http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/ana/sponsorship/index.jsp

http://mlb.mlb.com/ana/fan_forum/the-halo-way/

Here's an OCregister article from 2015 saying the name had been in place for 10 years at the time http://www.ocregister.com/2015/01/07/los-angeles-angels-of-anaheim-10-years-later-how-big-of-a-deal-was-the-name-change/, which would confirm that the name wasn't discarded in 2013.

The original name change was posted in a press release http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20050103&content_id=926747&vkey=pr_ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana which has not been done with dropping "Of Anaheim".

    1. AKA ALL OF THIS IS BULLSHIT, THEY HAVEN'T DROPPED "OF ANAHEIM"

I'll leave you with this quote from OCregister

>Now, new pressure has built up over stadium-lease negotiations. In 2013, the City Council initially approved a memorandum of understanding that would allow the team to strip the “of Anaheim” from its name, as well as other financial arrangements.

>**Follow-up negotiations, however, haven’t happened – and the Angels have threatened to leave Anaheim.**

>“If they decide to move elsewhere, having changed their name a decade ago will make it easier,” Ganis said.

Source: my username - **l**os **a**ngeles **a**ngels of **a**naheim **baseball** Laaabaseball (talk) 21:12, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

See the discussion below. We acknowledged that some sources, both primary and secondary, still use "of Anaheim"; however, evidence showed that the vast majority of primary and secondary sources no longer have "of Anaheim" mentioned, and that even after the official change included "of Anaheim", it wasn't used by most secondary sources in referencing the team in media. I think the only issue is whether or not "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" is the official name, even if it never really has been the common name. I do agree that the sources don't indicate the change was officially made; it just appears the Angels have dropped it on most of their sites without legally changing anything. --JonRidinger (talk) 17:10, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the move should have happened, as it *is* the common name, however, since there is no official confirmation that the name has been changed, it should still be listed with such verbage as "Officially the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" at the top of the article. Laaabaseball (talk) 04:25, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Gene Autry...Medal of Honor winner??

Hi. I noticed that the opening paragraph here states:

"The "Angels" name was continued by former film star and Medal of Honor hero Gene Autry..."

I was surprised by this, since I had never heard this claim before. Upon checking the corresponding article here on Gene Autry, I found nothing about him winning a Medal of Honor. If this is indeed so, therefore, could you please remove this unsourced and incorrect reference, since it might be perceived as an attempt to put an undue honor on a man who, though patriotic and a veteran, was not awarded the US's highest military honor. Thanks153.229.105.43 (talk) 11:26, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Even if it's true, it has no relevance to the Angels. I'm removing it. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:21, 6 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 28 April 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. wbm1058 (talk) 05:33, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim → Los Angeles Angels – All of the primary sources no longer have "of Anaheim" in the titles:

In addition, multiple secondary sources also use "Los Angeles Angels":

The remaining uses of "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" are Baseball Reference and Google, the latter of which appears to draw from the Wikipedia title. Seems now not only would WP:COMMONNAME apply, and likely has for some time, but even WP:OFFICIALNAME does as well. JonRidinger (talk) 12:32, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article and this article from 2013 mentions the agreement that allowed the team to drop "of Anaheim", so it would seem the change occurred for the 2014 season. This was discussed here in 2014 (see "Name Change" above), but no changes made at that time. --JonRidinger (talk) 12:51, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, the team's official web site should be sufficient. The web site can also be used as a citable source.Orsoni (talk) 13:41, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It can be, but article titles are based on WP:COMMONNAME, which isn't always reflected in a team's official site. In this case it is, but I've seen several cases where that isn't true. Los Angeles Clippers is a good example...official website now uses "LA Clippers" but most secondary sources call them the "Los Angeles Clippers", which is why the article is titled that way. --JonRidinger (talk) 14:07, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but unlike the Clippers, the proposed title here is the WP:COMMONNAME. Indeed, the current title has never really been the common name, but the official one until 2013. This should have been moved a while ago. Complete support. oknazevad (talk) 15:52, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any official record or announcement of a team name change? If not, I think it it would be better to keep the current name. User:StraightOuttaBoston (talk) 17:17, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I posted two links earlier right after my initial nomination list of the secondary sources using "Los Angeles Angels". Both articles are from September 2013: "Angels drop Anaheim from team name" and "Angels Will Finally Be Allowed to Drop Anaheim from Their Team Name". --JonRidinger (talk) 23:36, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the original premise is not entirely correct when it comes to the official website. Official Team Website still says The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. Not to mention places like the Baseball Reference Encyclopedia, Forbes Team financials, Official MLB Shopping. So it's not cut and dry. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:27, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. Using the mobile website, the top of the page still has "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim", but the browser window header says "MLB.com Mobile | Los Angeles Angels". Using the standard version at https://www.mlb.com/angels on the desktop, it says "Official Website of the Los Angeles Angels". Interestingly enough, this link is a press release from March 2017. The title at the top of the page has the full "of Anaheim" name (again with a mobile address), while article text clearly refers to the team as the "Los Angeles Angels" ("The Los Angeles Angels today announced..."). Also, add Yahoo Sports to the list of secondary sources using "Los Angeles Angels".
And yes, I mentioned that Baseball-Reference.com still has them as "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" and also noticed the mailing address for the team does too. That may simply be a case of not updating. Remember, an article name change here doesn't necessarily mean there is no longer any usage of the longer name. The current article title should reflect what the subject is referred to most often in secondary sources. Any specific reason why we wouldn't use WP:COMMONNAME given not only all the primary sources but even moreso the secondary sources? --JonRidinger (talk) 23:36, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support move. I object to the notion that "of Anaheim" has been entirely dropped from the team name (as shown above, official usage is split, which it would not be if the team actively renamed itself), but the common name of the team is Los Angeles Angels in most media sources even if the official name isn't. However, unless it can be proven that the official name of the team does not include "of Anaheim", the lede should still include those words.
    In addition, I propose that all season articles from 2005–present are moved to "2005 Los Angeles Angels season" and so forth, because common usage seemed to be "Los Angeles Angels" from very early on, and it's easier to move them all instead of trying to figure out when exactly the common usage changed.  ONR  (talk)  12:03, 30 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom and conciseness. This team has had quite a few name changes, and this one seems to settle on the current common name. Randy Kryn 16:00, 30 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Interesting - since last year, their home page on MLB.com has been changed to read "THE OFFICIAL SITE OF THE LOS ANGELES ANGELS". So it's now unanimous - their official Facebook page, Instagram page, Twitter page and official website all say "Los Angeles Angels". As does MLB.com's list of teams. Might be time to open a conversation about changing the name of the article. SixFourThree (talk) 17:57, 24 May 2017 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]

Yes, see the beginning of the move discussion above. I listed the website and several social media accounts. The article has already been moved to "Los Angeles Angels" but there is no confirmation the team has formally or legally changed from the official name. Regardless, the clear common name is Los Angeles Angels. --JonRidinger (talk) 18:24, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Got it, thanks! I was confused because all the internal references in the article (and the titles of associated articles) use the old name. Will need to start changing those as well. SixFourThree (talk) 19:54, 24 May 2017 (UTC)SixFourThree[reply]

I used wayback machine to see when the top banner was changed to "Los Angeles Angels." Turns out it was only changed this year. The last time I saw the "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" banner was in March 2017. CrispyCream27 (talk) 20:35, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's still being used on the mobile site and on some of the official MLB apps (the Ballpark app still uses "of Anaheim") as other editors have noted above. Even so, it's a great example of WP:COMMONNAME vs. WP:OFFICIALNAME since most secondary sources (especially broadcasts) haven't been using "of Anaheim" since the official change, even if MLB and the team did and continue to do so in some capacity. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:41, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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