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:::::No, I'll return to the talk page, but I shall endeavor to avoid the tl;dr screeds for which I have become infamous.[[User:TheTimesAreAChanging|TheTimesAreAChanging]] ([[User talk:TheTimesAreAChanging#top|talk]]) 03:06, 13 July 2017 (UTC) |
:::::No, I'll return to the talk page, but I shall endeavor to avoid the tl;dr screeds for which I have become infamous.[[User:TheTimesAreAChanging|TheTimesAreAChanging]] ([[User talk:TheTimesAreAChanging#top|talk]]) 03:06, 13 July 2017 (UTC) |
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::::::BTW: {{tq|"Must have been able to see into the future to be thinking Months ago of trump's talking point on the Ukraine and Clinton over the Don Jr thing."}} Actually, I merely read the [http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446 ''Politico'' report] when it came out in January. Again, kind regards,[[User:TheTimesAreAChanging|TheTimesAreAChanging]] ([[User talk:TheTimesAreAChanging#top|talk]]) 07:31, 13 July 2017 (UTC) |
::::::BTW: {{tq|"Must have been able to see into the future to be thinking Months ago of trump's talking point on the Ukraine and Clinton over the Don Jr thing."}} Actually, I merely read the [http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446 ''Politico'' report] when it came out in January. Again, kind regards,[[User:TheTimesAreAChanging|TheTimesAreAChanging]] ([[User talk:TheTimesAreAChanging#top|talk]]) 07:31, 13 July 2017 (UTC) |
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== please do not simply disappear relevant text without detailed explanation (in particular, of discussion of chlorination Iraqi water supply during sanctions) == |
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My Dear TheTimesAreAChanging, simply disappeared block text discussing Iraqi water treatment vulnerabilities because it did not suit an argument you might like to advance helps no one. Additions and edits are not exercises in polemics; this aims to be an encyclopedia, so do not do not simply disappear relevant text without ''detailed'' explanation. |
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Simply passingly calling disappeared passages (without even having the courtesy of identifying them) "unreliable" is lazy scurrilousness, in this case with obviously tendentious aims: to replace what had been presented with a view that suits your own. |
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This is the the source you cited as unreliable: a statement from David Sole, President of the Sanitary Chemists & Technicians Association-UAW Local. 2334 at the Detroit Water & Sewerage Department, here: https://web.archive.org/web/20081203113830/http://www.iacenter.org/iraqchallenge/water.htm. |
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One can await with suspense how this source is unreliable. |
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Further, the opposing view from a Pentagon official (along with further deletion of the fact that the need for ''chlorine, whose importation had been banned'' by the relevant sanctions) ignored the relevant point. '''The basic point did not concern money. It concerned materials needed for the sterilization of the water supply. Importation of those materials was banned by sanctions.''' |
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'''If you do not have any understanding of the fundamental issues pertaining to an article, please do try to be clever, disappearing text and substantive issues, substituting tendentious sources, etc.''' |
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Although the blockquote (and article) by Rubin nowhere addresses the relevant point, the article that you cites will nonetheless be retained after undoing disappeared text. |
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Your attempt moreover to editorialize that the Rubin article selected "eviscerates" a point that that article ''does not even address'' just makes you both look silly. (The point being the import bans on materials that the sanctions imposed, not $$ spent by Saddam Hussein, mention of which--including "presidential palaces" and "smuggling," are just transparent polemics directed by Rubin at Iraq pre-2003, and which aren't relevant to the main point that they they take issue with. Mention of the Intifada is moreover totally unrelated, and makes drive-by removal of relevant text and its replacement with irrelevant bashing of Saddam Hussein look still more idiotic and transparently motivated.) |
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Again, please do not simply disappear relevant text that is not to your liking, particularly when you (apparently) do not understand the fundamental issues pertaining to a given topic. Take care, and all the best, [[User:Alfred Nemours|Alfred Nemours]] ([[User talk:Alfred Nemours|talk]]) 06:37, 14 July 2017 (UTC) |
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Your behavior
Telling a site administrator to "get a clue" over legitimate edits to an article is perhaps not the wisest thing for you to be doing. Your attitude perhaps needs to change if you wish to continue in good standing on this project. Bumm13 (talk) 04:27, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Brief informations regarding an insufferable narcissist
And to think this ghastly man was worshipped by liberals… Really sounds like a great book. I shall attempt to work it into the Obama article. It contains crucial insights. --BowlAndSpoon (talk) 22:21, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
1957 alleged Jordanian military coup attempt
Could you give your opinion on the article? It is very complex which made it difficult for me to organize my thoughts, I hope you can point out to any possible inconsistencies. Makeandtoss (talk) 01:16, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
- I thought the article was very well-written, not to mention long overdue—it's kind of shocking that it took so long to create an article about such an important event in Jordanian history. America's Great Game by Hugh Wilford has some additional circumstantial evidence for the "U.S. false flag" theory, though it doesn't add much to the facts as you've outlined them.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 01:42, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Your AE topic ban is lifted
This is in response to your following e-mail:
- "Given that six months have now passed since you imposed an American Politics topic ban on me for incivility and personal attacks at the "Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections" article, I am writing to request that you consider lifting it on the grounds that it is no longer necessary. I have no intention of returning to the vitriolic talk page rants that got me in trouble, or even of relitigating the question of whether Russia truly interfered, which seems to have been resolved by more recent sources. I have been on Wikipedia for seven years and edited in a wide range of topics, including promoting one Featured Article, and have only been topic banned once, due to a combination of a heated election season and what I still consider admins's general trigger-happiness in this particularly contentious area of the encyclopedia. I maintain that six months is a long enough punishment to serve as a deterrent, and that prolonging the ban would primarily impede my ability to edit in areas tangentially related to American Politics without benefitting the project."
Your request is granted and the topic ban is lifted. Best regards, Sandstein 13:13, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks, Sandstein!TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 18:16, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
- Didn't you say to @Sandstein: that you "had no intention" of returning to that page? Pretty quick for no intention.Casprings (talk) 02:44, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
- No, as a matter of fact I didn't, but I appreciate your interest, Casprings.
I have no intention of returning to the vitriolic talk page rants that got me in trouble, or even of relitigating the question of whether Russia truly interfered, which seems to have been resolved by more recent sources.
That said, I have been sitting on several edits for the last several months, and ultimately decided to get them out of my system. I hope you can understand that. Regards,TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:51, 13 July 2017 (UTC)- Must have been able to see into the future to be thinking Months ago of trump's talking point on the Ukraine and Clinton over the Don Jr thing. However, if you do return to the talk page, we can discuss how one politico story where one OP researcher was searching for info on Manafort is a pretty poor link to Clinton and that talking point is UNDUE, given the article.Casprings (talk) 03:01, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
- No, I'll return to the talk page, but I shall endeavor to avoid the tl;dr screeds for which I have become infamous.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 03:06, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
- BTW:
"Must have been able to see into the future to be thinking Months ago of trump's talking point on the Ukraine and Clinton over the Don Jr thing."
Actually, I merely read the Politico report when it came out in January. Again, kind regards,TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 07:31, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
- BTW:
- No, I'll return to the talk page, but I shall endeavor to avoid the tl;dr screeds for which I have become infamous.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 03:06, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
- Must have been able to see into the future to be thinking Months ago of trump's talking point on the Ukraine and Clinton over the Don Jr thing. However, if you do return to the talk page, we can discuss how one politico story where one OP researcher was searching for info on Manafort is a pretty poor link to Clinton and that talking point is UNDUE, given the article.Casprings (talk) 03:01, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
- No, as a matter of fact I didn't, but I appreciate your interest, Casprings.
- Didn't you say to @Sandstein: that you "had no intention" of returning to that page? Pretty quick for no intention.Casprings (talk) 02:44, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
please do not simply disappear relevant text without detailed explanation (in particular, of discussion of chlorination Iraqi water supply during sanctions)
My Dear TheTimesAreAChanging, simply disappeared block text discussing Iraqi water treatment vulnerabilities because it did not suit an argument you might like to advance helps no one. Additions and edits are not exercises in polemics; this aims to be an encyclopedia, so do not do not simply disappear relevant text without detailed explanation.
Simply passingly calling disappeared passages (without even having the courtesy of identifying them) "unreliable" is lazy scurrilousness, in this case with obviously tendentious aims: to replace what had been presented with a view that suits your own.
This is the the source you cited as unreliable: a statement from David Sole, President of the Sanitary Chemists & Technicians Association-UAW Local. 2334 at the Detroit Water & Sewerage Department, here: https://web.archive.org/web/20081203113830/http://www.iacenter.org/iraqchallenge/water.htm.
One can await with suspense how this source is unreliable.
Further, the opposing view from a Pentagon official (along with further deletion of the fact that the need for chlorine, whose importation had been banned by the relevant sanctions) ignored the relevant point. The basic point did not concern money. It concerned materials needed for the sterilization of the water supply. Importation of those materials was banned by sanctions.
If you do not have any understanding of the fundamental issues pertaining to an article, please do try to be clever, disappearing text and substantive issues, substituting tendentious sources, etc.
Although the blockquote (and article) by Rubin nowhere addresses the relevant point, the article that you cites will nonetheless be retained after undoing disappeared text.
Your attempt moreover to editorialize that the Rubin article selected "eviscerates" a point that that article does not even address just makes you both look silly. (The point being the import bans on materials that the sanctions imposed, not $$ spent by Saddam Hussein, mention of which--including "presidential palaces" and "smuggling," are just transparent polemics directed by Rubin at Iraq pre-2003, and which aren't relevant to the main point that they they take issue with. Mention of the Intifada is moreover totally unrelated, and makes drive-by removal of relevant text and its replacement with irrelevant bashing of Saddam Hussein look still more idiotic and transparently motivated.)
Again, please do not simply disappear relevant text that is not to your liking, particularly when you (apparently) do not understand the fundamental issues pertaining to a given topic. Take care, and all the best, Alfred Nemours (talk) 06:37, 14 July 2017 (UTC)