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Donald Trump

I noticed you reverted my edit to add Donald Trump's campaign against clean energy. Can you please specify how I can improve my wording so we can include this in the article? Thanks. Brian Everlasting (talk) 22:11, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

You can reply here or at talk:Donald Trump because I started a discussion about this. Thanks. Brian Everlasting (talk) 22:17, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

@Brian Everlasting: First of all the headline "Campaign against clean energy" was not appropriate, also not the positioning in the BLP article. If there is an actual "campaign" against clean energy would be questionable, yet that is also not the point here. In case there are legislatures by him passed concerning this subject or statements on this matter one might include sourced and adequately written entries in the main article as Environmental policy of the Donald Trump administration. However, WP:IMPARTIAL and WP:NOR are key to that. Please close the discussion at the Donald trump talkpage, as it is most likely redundant. --Joobo (talk) 22:20, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

So maybe title it: "Campaign against wind energy" rather than "Campaign against clean energy"? Donald Trump has established a pattern of behavior that is clearly anti-wind and pro-coal, pro nat. gas, & pro nuclear-power. Brian Everlasting (talk)

@Brian Everlasting: At Wikipedia we do not discuss who might have done what or behaved how. We look at what is actually provided by verifiable sources. In this case the section will probably not be included in his BLP article. The best is one initially reads the whole Environmental policy of the Donald Trump administration to get a better overview., perhaps something like that is also already included there.--Joobo (talk) 22:29, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

In other words, things done by Trump may only be described in euphemisms. Welcome back to monarchy! --Mathmensch (talk) 07:05, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Neutral WP:NPOV, as Wikipedia is not WP:NOTNEWS. There is a difference. --Joobo (talk) 14:28, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

IP 188.96.57.201‎‎

Hi,

I see you are having trouble with IP editor 188.96.57.201‎‎ (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). In case it helps, they got blocked not long ago for warring with me and after it expired their response showed that they do not listen or learn. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 14:22, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Steelpillow did and kept many errors in Blohm+Voss page with outdate data, then he erased the Wenzendorf Aircraft Article and put wrongly in the community part. A guy of IT in middle England is not in Germany to know. And then Joobo please stop talking with me.

If you UK guys do not know how to make world better, please be out of european community. Do the Brexit, that we are happy here in Hamburg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.96.57.201 (talk) 14:28, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

First of all the location of someone is absolutely irrelevant as long as content is adequately sourced, adequately included and fulfils every other criteria by the WP guidelines. I also do not care much what went on on some other page. I merely notice that you IP edit unadequately, in the article concerned. Furthermore to claim i would "stalk" you is a violation of WP guidelines as you state an false insinuation. Keep to what i said and stop the quarrel.--Joobo (talk) 14:33, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

I really do not care for britsh stuff, leave me in peace that is ok. Just going every step to take my attention like being a Boss, I really do not accept. You have not the right of world, neither me, neither anyone. You have our way of thinking, I have mine. But please leave me alone out of your imposal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.96.57.201 (talk) 14:37, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Agata Kornhauser-Duda

Please stop edit warring. It looks very clumsy to have the same photo appear in the article twice. I fully understand that in one case the photo is cropped, and in the other case it is not cropped, but none the less, it is exactly the same image of the subject in the article, and therefore adds no new information. Sometimes the sky is blue (talk) 11:15, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@Sometimes the sky is blue:Then please add another photo for her main image, but do not exclude the double image of her and First Lady of the United States.--Joobo (talk) 11:50, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

As long as the consensus is that a crop of the image with Melania Trump is the best profile photo of hers, there is no need for both photos to appear. It looks very tacky to have the same photo, one cropped, and one uncropped, in the same article. Sometimes the sky is blue (talk) 12:03, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

As the photo is merely a couple of days old one obviously has no consensus yet. Since i agree that the cropped photo does not fit in in case the original is also included, i put in another portrait of her from 2015. Now it looks decently to me.--Joobo (talk) 14:32, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

ISTAT

I checked ISTAT site posted there about poverty.The matter is that reference isn't posted on the right pages of ISTAT.It's on old pages as you correctly wrote of 2014.The last ISTAT report (that is in the same site posted) has my numbers for 2015 and shows poverty in decline.This is testified in these sites..I beg your pardon but i'm not able to " clean" them.Thanks)Benniejets (talk) 15:13, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Your reaction on WP:ANI

TL;DR. At least most of it. Trying to smear the OP, however, does not speak in your favour. I urge you to keep WP:BATTLEGROUND in mind. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort. Keep in mind that Wikipedia summarizes reliable sources. It does not interpret them. As an editor, you are supposed to leave your political opinions at the door login screen. Kleuske (talk) 16:54, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

You really have to be kidding @Kleuske:. Mathmensch is telling everywhere around i would be "counter-productive" and wants admins to do something - not giving one reasonable point to that. He is stalking my edits and claiming "monarchy" just cause something is against his personal gusto. So, in case you are truly concerned with the Wiki work-atmosphere have a talk with him, not with me. I edit normally as everyone does, he is the one starting all this quarrel cause he believes he found an perfect enemy like he portrays it in his user page statement. And it looks you have similar views like him. I do not know what political views you are referring to but i actually agree, that is why I had to delete the entry, as most likely he just editet the BLP for exactly that reasion, a personal anthipaty to that person. PS: Concerning the entry in the BLP, please read the talk page once again, then it should get clear that this entry of "false" simply technically is wrong, as with the majority of legal situations and we as Wikipedians are not allowed to play judge.--Joobo (talk) 17:04, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Has it occurred to you your own attitude towards others significantly influences the "work-atmosphere" you experience? Kleuske (talk) 17:43, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

@Kleuske: In case you cannot deal with the reality it is your personal problem, not mine. I merely reverted a BLP violation and gave very detailed explanation to that. I was not the one searching around in other editors actions and initiated defamations arbitrarily. How about you take a step back and reconsider the whole situation - looking in what was actually said on the talk to why I reverted it, before also automatically getting angry simlpy because someone has another stance than you. --Joobo (talk) 17:55, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

July 2017

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for WP:DE, WP:IDHT, WP:TE, WP:NOTHERE, WP:POV, etc, . If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may request an unblock by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Dennis Brown - 2¢ 00:21, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

• Per discussion at here

You got a free pass in the prior ANI thread, but your edits did not go unnoticed. The alphabet soup worth of reasons for the block is because you have managed to touch upon a great many of our policies, in a bad way. Your attitude is simply incompatible with editing in a collaborative environment. Not everyone is cut out for it, so it isn't a statement on your character, just an observation. I think we have seen enough behavior that is incompatible with our goals here that you probably need to find a different hobby, something that doesn't require you to work with others. I don't say this lightly, and certainly not with any malice, I'm sure you are a nice person and all, but Wikipedia is obviously not for you, and it doesn't bring out the best in you. At this point, it is probably not bringing you any joy either. Whatever you do, I hope you find your own bliss. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 00:28, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Joobo (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Neither was I given a reason to how I violated any WP policy (WP:PILLARS) nor is the claim this project would somewhat not be fitting for me backed up by any evidence or ground by the blocking admin. None of the reasons as stated here necessary for a block WP:WHYBLOCK are applying or were referred to and applied. It does not become clear to what I did wrong and how I massively violated any WP policy to get an indefinite block, and I mean this in a serious and genuine way, due to the fact that no reason to that is provided, at all. Merely a statement that says it is "thought" I would behave somewhat "incompatible" and I somehow would have "touch upon a great many of our policies, in a bad way" is just a vague statement, not factual, and looks like a simple case of punishment (WP:NOPUNISH) as nothing of substance is provided to that any further. I have not vandalized, have not harassed another user, was not spamming articles, have not engaged in an edit war, made no copyright violations, made no personal attack, made no threats, no legal threats, gave no defamatory information about living persons. In what way a content dispute, in which I neither became personal to the other editor, nor having violated the three-edit-revert rule or any other WP policy, now should even constitute a reason to indefinitely block me is not provided. This content dispute which is the starting point of this is not even mentioned in the block reason. Having content disputes once in a while with another user is one of the most common aspects of Wikipedia, however I remained WP:civil all the time. It is clearly stated that WP:BLOCKP blocks shall not be a punishment, but preventative, yet in what way and what needs to be "prevented" if I have not violated any rules and guidelines, nor have I intentions to get involved any further with the user of concern, does not get clear. Another user edited - I reverted it and initiated a discussion at the respective talkpage - the user avoided that and started searching my edits, jumped on it and initiated an ANI against me - eventually I, as everyone would be doing, portrayed my viewpoint at the respective ANI- and now out of a sudden I was blocked without providing one comprehensive reason for any WP-guideline violation. I am neither violating any policies since the unblock, nor have I any intentions to do that or in any other way aim to obstruct this project. I have contributed massively in the recent time, and just by having a somewhat "normal" and common dispute, which was handled by me according to WP guidelines, is clearly no reason to indefinitely speak out an indefinite block. Without trying to appear to be conceited, but this is simply a case of WP:NOPUNISH - no reason by the admin is given other than the belief/perception I am not good in whatever subjective way that would be. I aim to contribute to this project and follow the guidelines as I did all along the recent months - I genuinely hope that this case could be reviewed as I am not aiming to harm this project.--Joobo (talk) 12:04, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Decline reason:

tl;dr: "I did nothing wrong, why am I blocked?" Which in itself is enough reason to decline the unblock, as you clearly don't understand why your editing is a problem. Yunshui ^雲_水 15:42, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

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@Yunshui: If there is no factual violation of any WP policy, and also no evidence showing any violation provided by the blocking admin, how am I supposed to understand an indefinite block - how would any editor be able to understand an indefinite block then? I can imagine how much effort it takes for an uninvolved admin to read into the particular matter; but it simply is a fact that no actual reason is given for my block other than a punishment WP:NOPUNISH; which is not acceptable and no reason to block someone let alone indefinitely. This is a serious question. That is what I am asking - as until now no reason for my block was given other than a couple of phrases about how I somehow would not fit in and should literally get another "hobby", as if I would be some kind of newly registred unexperienced user. I fully worked according to WP standards, sticked to dispute resolution guidelines as well as to all forms of WP:Civility, I always assumed good faith initially in any edit by anyone. Now I get a notice for an ANI by a user I never had any encounter with before who appears to dislike me for a revert I did on his edit- I then explain the case on the respective ANI and without any admin having engaged in the ANI even after couple of days have passed . Then out of a sudden I am indifenitely blocked - no reason given other than I would not fit it. This is everything but honest and correct application of Wikipedia block policy - and I firmly believe that any user being blocked, especially indefinite, has a right to get detailed explanation for what factual serious reasons/violations. And in case such policy violations cannot be showed then a block has to be lifted.--Joobo (talk) 16:27, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

• If you bother to actually read the block notice, it give you an alphabet soup worth of problems noted by others: WP:DE, WP:IDHT, WP:TE, WP:NOTHERE and WP:POV. The short of it is that the community feels your editing is disruptive to the creation of an encyclopedia. You were blocked because there is a consensus that supports this, as well as direct evidence. You were linked to two discussions. Your insistence in linking WP:NOPUNISH makes me wonder if you are WP:TROLLING or simply lack the competence to edit here. If you are wanting me to link to each and every instance where your edits are problematic and explain each one, you are out of luck, as policy doesn't require that. You should be intelligent enough to read the two discussions and glean the necessary information from them. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 16:47, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

@Dennis Brown: Please provide exact and clear edit diffs when, where and how I violated the mentioned policies and guidelines! You say you do not need to, well how advantageous is that for you then - that you apparently simply do not need to. There are no violations! That is why until now not a single one let alone massive persistent one, have been provided. It was not done at the ANI by any other admin or you, It was not done here in the block and also not now by you. Show where I blatantly pushed POV, where I harassed someone, where I stalked anyone, where I threatened someone, where did I vandalized, where did I disrupted, where did I violated copyright, where did I do original research, et cetera? Show actual evidence instead of this vacuous non-saying of "the community feels your editing is disruptive to the creation of an encyclopedia". Who is even "the community" you and two, three other users?= You can claim POV, you can claim disruptive editing etc. But where? when? Claiming and accusing is one thing but then it is on the accuser to actually give proof for that. Not you have done it and also not the two particular users at the ANI when even it was lied about edits I did some years ago lying without hesitation that I would have not included a source [1], eventhough in the edit diff provided([2]) it is shown crystal clear that I did(!) included a correct source - the named source with the "ref name="SZ" ". No word by you or anyone on that, just nothing. If you would give evidence, no problem, but neither you nor anyone else does until now. --Joobo (talk) 17:18, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

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I reverted this, and by Wikipedia's own guidelines(WP:BLPREMOVE) was obliged to revert this BLP violation as it was included just one single and at least to some extend questionable source! - I gave detailed explanation to that on the article`s talk page where you did not even tried to engage in, but just repeated "source" over and over again. Where were you even looking for a civil discussion with me regarding the source and the source's content itself? Nowhere. Instead you started to check my edits, commented on something completely unrelated on my talk page which was weeks old and calling it "monarchy" like. You then accused me instantly for "whitewashing" and "POV" giving blatant fallacious edit diffs on the ANI you initiated against me and you gave baseless claims of behaving in a "non-neutral manner" ([3]) — These edit diffs as well as acccusations were somehow utterly "condoned" by the admins, eventhough according to Wikipedia's own policy — accusations, without giving evidence, constitutes a clear personal attack. I have neither any personal positive or negative affection for the BLP nor is there any proof in the form of edit diffs given that I in any way violated Wikipedia policy. You, same as the admin Dennis Brown, have both yet to come to give simple evidence I violated any Wikipedia policies. You have not even said sorry for lying in the ANI about the false edit diffs you provided.--Joobo (talk) 12:05, 20 July 2017 (UTC)