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Age discussion

In this interview, which took place in 1991 at 1:17, she asks Mariah, "You're 21 now, is that right?" Mariah nods and says "Uh-huh". It aired on 10/24/1991 per the AP Archives for this TV show. Just throwing this out there. She really would have no real reason to being lying about it this early on. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 10:58, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Actually, when a celebrity is starting out is often exactly when they start lying about their age. And a young singer saying "Uh huh" on a televised interview, when they may well be nervous, isn't definitive when compared to sources like CBS News and her own hometown paper, which followed her from her earliest days. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:26, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Everything else says 1970. This page just looks bad with 2 dates. --— Preceding unsigned comment added by Roaddawg71 (talk • contribs) 23:18, 18 January 2017 (edit) (undo) (thank)

Others would say it's an encyclopedia trying to be as accurate as possible and not arbitrarily choosing one over the other. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Tenebrae. It looks best. And it's just a 1 year difference. It's not like it's within a 5 year gap and it's up in the air like that, though I really believe it's 1970.--Jennica✿ / ^talk 23:25, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

In the interest of making this article as accurate as possible, I recommend that we make it clear in the article that both Mariah and her Mother have consistently stated she was born in 1970 since the beginning of her singing career. Mistercontributer (talk) 01:13, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

And maybe add that there have been conflicting reports of her birth year. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 01:25, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

My two cents: Keep both years. I think that is not Wikipedia:SYNTH but we have "reliable sources by different criteria that could be include twice and remain with neutrality in the article. We don’t have to act as judges of the information, we have to present both realities and let the readers decide what to think and what to do with both facts in the spirit of verifiability, not truth. Chrishonduras (Diskussion) 01:50, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

I agree, but we should include all of the relevant information in the article, per above. Mistercontributer (talk) 22:26, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, we have six footnotes already, three and three. I guess we can have more, as long as we retain balance. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:30, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

An explanation in a footnote looks good. This article is a little long but verify this essay please. Regards, Chrishonduras (Diskussion) 00:04, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by verify, but that link is an essay. They're not guidelines, policies or manual of style items, but just discussions that may or may not be useable and pertinent. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:06, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Nevermind! actually. I knows that is an essay but is a recommendation. I tried to talk about the "retain balance" about the weight or something. But my opinion is add a footnote about this problem of her age. Chrishonduras (Diskussion) 00:10, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

And I'm saying we already do have a footnote with six citations, three on each side, and we say in two places "sources vary". I'm in total agreement with you, and sayng that the article already does these things. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:16, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Chrishonduras might mean the kind of note in a "Notes" section at the bottom. But I don't even know if most of the casual readers who come to wikipedia click on those? I think the way it is is fine but a note couldn't hurt. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 01:50, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Jennica With the "footnote" looks good. But with the Note in a "Notes" section can be added, maybe, if we explain more context with a little more text as well. However, the most important thing is present the information. I'm neutral about one thing or the other thing. Regards, Chrishonduras (Diskussion) 03:48, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm certainly all for whatever conveys neutral information best. I'd like to ask whoever is suggesting an expanded Notes section what it would say that's different from the neutral data the footnote currently gives. Is there proposed wording? --Tenebrae (talk) 18:59, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Mariah born in 1970

Mariah born in 1970, Patricia Carey say in 1998 at Oprah Karen Salles (talk) 16:45, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

See previous thread on her birth year. Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:47, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

FYI: Mariah Carey | On The Record (quoting:) "According to People Magazine, "we have a copy of Ms. Carey's driver's license, which lists her birthday as March 27, 1969. Furthermore, we spoke with the administrators at the high school she attended who confirmed that Ms. Carey's birthday is March 27, 1969, as did her management when we made our initial interview." Gustont (talk) 08:10, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Same comment previously posted. Suggest reviewing article talk archives regarding this subject using search function. - Mistercontributer (talk) 23:53, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't read all the talk page as I ain't Carey's fan, and don't even know yet how I got into this... But wondering if the Radaris.com is a reliable source. Based on this, she's 47 for the moment, so in March 2017 should be turning to 48. That would support 1969 as her birthday year. Gustont (talk) 00:46, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Someone has to add categories Irish and Venezuelan descents

I am unable to add the following categories:

• Category:American people of Irish descent (from mother side)
• Category:American people of Venezuelan descent (from father side)

Can someone help to add them. Thanks in advance. Wayiteshakyn (talk) 19:07, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

 Not done those aren't worth adding per WP:Overcategorization when they aren't exactly defining traits she's prominently noted for. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:26, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Associated Acts

I reduced the number of people named in the IB as "Associated Acts". This has been discussed before. Really, none of these people are "associated acts". None of these people collaborated with Carey for a significant period of time across multiple projects, except as producers, rather than "acts", per this. Pinging User:IndianBio and Snuggums, who commented on this issue. It would be better to eliminate this parameter from the infobox, as it certainly does not give a balanced view of the most important facts concerning Carey. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:50, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure if outright removing the parameter from here is needed, but its listings definitely should be limited. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:03, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

If we cannot establish that so and so act has been impactful in Carey's musical career, then no point in keeping associated act. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 06:26, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2017

change Mariah Carey's birth year to 1970 ErinCummins1997 (talk) 09:27, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — IVORK _Discuss 10:29, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

There already are citations provided, but per many previous conversations, both 1969 and 1970 are to be included as they're both often used in sources unless someone can find a reference giving definitive proof beyond any reasonable doubt it was one year or the other. Snuggums (talk / edits) 12:39, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Mariah's mother also said she was born in 1970 in an interview with Oprah in 1999 (@2:25) about the struggle of being bi-racial in America ... just putting that into the world Teammm ^talk
_email 22:53, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

That has been brought up before, and while I personally find that viable, it has previously been rejected due to the possibility (even if improbable) that Patricia was also lying about Mariah's age. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:16, 1 July 2017 (UTC)