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July 2017

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August 2017

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Hello, I'm Serols. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions —the one you made with this edit to Love Jihad— because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Serols (talk) 18:38, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Please check the latest on this topic, high court has already declared the Love Jihad phenomenon real in its verdict and supreme court was sufficiently alarmed to order a wider investigation in all such similarly reported cases. I have provided the latest sources. The synthesis in the lead that I removed is no longer valid. I have created the discussion point on the talk page of the article, please discuss this directly at Talk:Love Jihad#Removing unsourced claims. Thanks.

222.165.9.81 (talk) 18:59, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at Love Jihad, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not remove material from the lead that is sourced in the body of the article. Doug Weller talk 18:40, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

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Please check the latest sources provided by me on this topic, high court has already declared the Love Jihad phenomenon real in its verdict and supreme court was sufficiently alarmed to order a wider investigation in all such similarly reported cases. I have provided the latest sources. The synthesis in the lead that I removed is no longer valid, so take back your warning. Investigate properly and exercise caution before just issuing such warning, you should instead discuss on the talk page of the article where I had already mentioned this topic. Shooting warning easily makes wikipedia a nasty unwelcome place to be. Disruptive three-revert warning apply it to you as well, why you keep shooting unwarranted warnings here instead of refusing to discuss on the talk page of article where I had attempted to invite discussion [Talk:Love Jihad#Removing unsourced claims]. Can you stop reverting and issuing warning and "start discussing". Please be careful and use all other more constructive options before using blind warnings after failing to discuss it on the talk page. Take note of 3-revert rule and warning back at you. Please come to the talk page to the article to discuss it and revert your wrong warning here. Do not make wikipedia a hellish experience for others please.

222.165.9.81 (talk) 18:53, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

The article is stuck in 2014, whereas facts have moved on and court-verdict based reality (inserted by me) is much different from the "mere opinions from the 2014" (removed by me, for which you guys are unfairly pouncing on me). Lead and article still need lot more clean up. You are welcome to collaborate constructive with me to improve the article instead of shutting me down by discouraging me by issuing warnings incorrectly. This does not make wikipedia a good "community" to be. Instead encourage me, read the talk page of article, discuss, help me improve the article rather than keeping it frozen in 2014 based on outdated and invalid "opinion". I am looking forward to a more collaborative approach from you. Thanks.

222.165.9.81 (talk) 19:07, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Please stop selectively removing content

You are selectively trying to remove content for whatever reason you can find. Both Reuters and Deccan Chronicle are reliable sources. If you think their reports are wrong then you need to prove it without a doubt, not interpret how you want it. Your edits are becoming disruptive now. As I said earlier, we are not here to decide what's true or false. Please refrain from deciding what's misinterpreted, or not said based on your interpretation which is original research. Thank you. 117.225.12.241 (talk) 22:53, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

I am removing the content that does not meet the WP:RS of wikipedia. Do not vandalize by repeatedly introducing fabricated misquotes falsely attributed to authorities, [[1]]. This is not permissible under wikipedia guidelines. Removing content that fails the WP:RS is not WP:OR as I am not adding anything, instead I am removing original research/fabricated/misquoted headlines. Regarding, your statement in the revert "We are not scholars or correctioners. Unless you have doubtless proof that the police did not say it, please do not remove it". Please read WP:RS and read the source again properly. You are incorrectly trying to insert the news Headline as the quote from the authorities, this is not a direct quote from the authorities. As per WP:RS, editor must discern the if the source is quoting the authority or merely presenting opinion or if the source is rephrasing authoritative statements in a wrong way. Only the directly supported quotes and facts should be included. "Reliability" of what you inserted is not acceptable even if it came from a reliable publication itself, understand this concept well, please read the guidelines properly. You are welcome to discuss it here or on the talk page of the article itself.

222.165.9.81 (talk) 23:09, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

You should read WP:RS. This is what it says about secondary sources and quotations, "The accuracy of quoted material is paramount and the accuracy of quotations from living persons is especially sensitive. To ensure accuracy, the text of quoted material is best taken from (and cited to) the original source being quoted. If this is not possible, then the text may be taken from a reliable secondary source (ideally one that includes a citation to the original). No matter where you take the quoted text from, it is important to make clear the actual source of the text, as it appears in the article." Deccan Chronicle clearly cited them as statements of the DGP. Your other claim is that police made no such submission to the court. This kind of reasoning is plainly non-understandable and you're making your own interpretation when a thing should be removed. Do you have proof what you claim is incorrect, fabricated? If not, then it is WP:OR on your part. Self-interpretation of what is misinterpreted or fabricated is pure OR. 117.225.42.251 (talk) 23:24, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

An editor made a suggestion that if the content is sourced in the body of the article then it let it stay in the lead. It sounds sensible to me, so no problem in going with to his suggestion. There is a problem if the text in the lead or body itself is misleading with the "blanket statements". For example, "all official investigations in India launched in 2009, 2010, 2012 and 2014 have found no evidence of the activity" is what I removed and you are trying to retain. A statement can stay if it is sourced in the body, no problem with that principal. There are other problems with the accuracy and reliability of this statement. There is nothing to say all investigations said so, this is not the correct representation of the facts and sources as some investigation found no evidence, other investigation found traces of love jihad it but lacked sufficient evidence and some investigations were still continuing. Hence making a blanket statement that all investigation in those years found no evidence of love jihad is a misrepresentation of the sources. Correct way to rephrase it is "Some investigations in 2009, 2010, 2012 and 2014 either found no evidence or lacked sufficient evidence to substantiate these allegations" or something like this. We can discuss what is the right way to rephrase it that reflects the reliable synthesis of the sources. Misrepresenting the sources, as if no cases happened is India, would be dubious. Regarding your statement "We are not scholars or correctioners. Unless you have doubtless proof that the police did not say it, please do not remove it." here, we must remove content that is misrepresented, misquoted, and if it is unreliable content or newsreport even from a otherwise well known source. I think you are confusing the Headline (in bold inside the source your used) as the You are trying to insert the news Headline as the quote from the authorities, this is not a direct quote from the authorities, instead rephrased (and misquoted heading by the source, source has further quoted what the DGP exactly said, so please the direct quote of the DGP instead of reinterpretation of the quote by the source because that reinterpretation is misleading and you are incorrectly attributing it directly to the authority within inverted commas, which is more dubious). WP:RS.

Source [http://in.reuters.com/article/india-religion-modi-idINKBN0GZ2OC20140904 here} says "Police say sporadic cases of trickery by unscrupulous men are not evidence of a broader conspiracy. In Uttar Pradesh, police found no evidence of attempted or forced conversion in five of six reported "Love Jihad" cases in the past three months." but you actually quoted as if it was a direct quote from the police, which is not so in the source. It is the source's statement/interpretation of what police says, and source has not mentioned who in the police said so. Neither this statement by police made in court under oath. Source that you are using does not mention that police made any such submission to the court that no love jihad cases. There is a big difference between "statement made to the court under oath or affidavit" (false statements lead to imprisonment) versus statement made outside the court (includes lose talk too). You incorrectly using the Headline used by the source as a quote directly attributed to the the authorities, this is not a direct quote from the authorities. Using the statement made by the source and putting it in the inverted commas as if it was the direct quote by the police is not the right way. It was not a direct quote in the inverted commas in the source, putting it in the inverted commas is a misrepresentation. And, if if it was not a "statement made to the court under oath or affidavit", not even a written press statement from the police, then this statement it of low reliability, specially it is attributed to no verifiable name, since the statement is not verifiable hence does not meet wikipedia criteria also. Giving it undue weight of importance is unacceptable way of editing. Can we please discuss it in one place. Lets discuss it on the article talk page so that others can participate too to build a consensus, otherwise easy to lose track if the discussion is scattered on many talk pages. Thanks. 222.165.9.81 (talk) 00:12, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

I have already morphed and expanded based on your problems about the investigations. Nothing is untrue. I am not trying to retain all investigations in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014 found no evidence. However yes, if the sources say they found no evismece in their investigation, then we have to mention it as such. I myself added of a High Court Judge's statements about Love Jihad in 2009. So your statements are amounting to false accusations now.

Accusations? I am not accusing "you" as an individual of anything. but I am questioning quality of some of your edits, such as reliability, verifiability, misattribution. Does not necessarily mean you are deliberately doing it with bad faith. I do not doubt that you are as passionate or sincere as I am. Do not get dishearted and do not take it personally. Separate the "issue" from the "person". We are having "issue based" disagreement which we are trying to resolve. It is not a personal feud. There might be issue-based edits that we agree. We do not know each other, so there is nothing malicious, except the intent to improve the article with facts. I do not want anyone to run me off wiki and I do not wnat you to get tuned off and get off wikipedia either. No worries, we can do it right we, by discussing, just keep an open mind and do not take to heart. "Issue based" is the key word. 222.165.9.81 (talk) 01:05, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Now Reuters says "Police say sporadic cases of trickery by unscrupulous men are not evidence of a broader conspiracy. In Uttar Pradesh, police found no evidence of attempted or forced conversion in five of six reported "Love Jihad" cases in the past three months." However notice the very first line of the quote. The firt sentence is a statement of the police. Who says you cannot put inverted commas? I'm not even presenting it as anything such and it doesn't always means quotes. If you have a problem then remove them. Now about it not being under coat affidavit, how do you say it's of low reliability? This is your pure invention.

Please read the Wikipedia:Applying Reliability Guidelines and Wikipedia:Verifiability. Your edits, that you are trying to retain, do not pass this test. Removing he content that should not be on wikipedia, because it fails to meet the quality criteria, is not called the "original research".222.165.9.81 (talk) 01:05, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Please also read Due and undue weight. 222.165.9.81 (talk) 01:19, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

The discussion is open on the article's talk page, so anyone can comment there. There is no problem with that. The issue here is your edits and their disruption and OR. Do not remove sourced content with OR. 117.225.72.171 (talk) 00:48, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

There is no OR, you are terming my attempts at removing factual inaccuracies (blanket statements, falsely attributed quotes or quotes of low reliability and verifiability) as OR. This is not the right way. 222.165.9.81 (talk) 01:05, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

You have been constantly creating factual inaccuracies and making edits based on OR. Are you reporting it? We rely on sources and you have not only provided no proof, but are openly indulging in OR witg low reliability and baselessly accusing others of false quotes. As for generalisations, I have already eliminated them. You are disregarding what the rules are about and falsely accusing others. Thid is what is not the right way. As I have already said follow the rules. 117.224.111.227 (talk) 02:20, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

How am I creating factual inaccuracies, you have not demonstrated that at all. Do not tarnish something by calling it OR if your edits gey removed or rephrased because those do not meet the wikipedia criteria of a good lead, good synthesis, verifiable and reliable sources. I am not accusing anyone that they are "deliberately" inserting false quotes. I am stating that based on evaluation of the edits, those quotes are "falsely attributed" because those are not the direct quote. Show me point-by-point which rule I have discarded and then it is easier to resolve those. I do not intend to reject or attack individuals. I intend to evaluate (per wikipedia guidelines) and accept or reject on "case-by-case issue-based specific-edits". Please separate the "personal/self" from your "edits". Critique of your edits is not a criticism of you. If an edit is done in a way that appears false attribution then it is evaluation of the edit, not of you, not calling you false, not accusing you of doing it deliberately, once you understand the rules better you will understand it. Also, read and respond to all of my comments embedded below each one of your reply above. I have replied to each one of your comment above one by one. And, lets discuss thee on the article talk page because I want consensus of all other users, and not just among two of us. if we discuss on the talk page of the article itself then the other editors there might even be able to help us resolve it by their suggestions, edits, rephrasing, etc. 222.165.9.81 (talk) 07:44, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

What else are you doing? Creating factual accuracies? You should first not i dulge i bad faith accusations, should not tarnish others by saying they are generalizing. You should also not accuse sources of accusations purely of your own or accusing others of "tarnishing" you when you are indulging in exactly what. It is you who has been dismisseing the edits as misattribution, not said etc. Isn' t it yiu who says so without proof? Personal opinion can be given by all users, but OR is not allowed. The talk page is open so anyone can give their views. I have rephrased all te summaries to address that they are accurately as in source. But drawn up definitions and accusations against sources cannot be given accommodation, nor your violation of rules. If have any problems, please mention them. But if they are bad faith accusations and OR, then you are misbehaving. As for answering point-by-point I shall answer it at article's talk page 117.199.88.74 (talk) 16:48, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Also just so you notice, this source which you say about insert this source at the end of your Please Help: Point-by-point resolution of pending issue in Half-truth in the lead which you say should be used to say He also reprimanded the DGP Jacob Punnoose for making vague statements is from October 2009. What it talks about the DGP's earlier October 22 report.

Justice K.T. Sankaran observed that some answers furnished in the DGP’s report were ‘vague’ and it appeared that the statements in different paragraphs did not ‘reconcile’ with each other.

The DGP, in a statement on October 22, had told the Court that there were reasons to suspect attempts to persuade non-Muslim girls to convert to Islam after they fell in love with Muslim boys, but that no organisation called ‘Love Jihad’ had been identified so far in Kerala.

It's much earlier before from when DGP Jacob Punnoose made his statements on November 11 and long before KT sanakaran's observations in December 2009 , directly says he has been directed to deliver his report by November 11: "The court directed the DGP to produce the reports on the basis of which he had prepared the report, in a sealed cover, by November 11." Please do check the sources before suggesting changes. 59.96.134.21 (talk) 18:13, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

August 2017

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Love Jihad. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 01:49, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Please [User_talk:222.165.9.81#Please_stop_selectively_removing_content|Discuss}|see my discussion above on my talk page]. I am directly taking it point-by-point and I have already invited others for discussion on the talk page of the Love Jihad and my this is what I created there [Talk:Love_Jihad#Issues_with_the_article:_Do_not_bite_me.2C_collaborate_instead|multiple issues with article] and [Talk:Love_Jihad#Removing_unsourced_claims|unsorced claims]. I am doign everything to avoid edit wars and to build consensus. This is not a fair allegation or warning. Since the other editor started to revert, i crated discussion points on the article talk page, and subsequent to that I stopped making changes to his edits and am encouraging him to engaging in discussion as you can see above. Please investigate all the facts in holistic manner before deciding. 222.165.9.81 (talk) 07:50, 17 August 2017 (UTC)