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Hello, I have big trouble to find informations regarding article Utopia (Deen album) about visible Oricon peak charts on online websites. In past they've used to have them visible everywhere, but it has changed recently and only releases since 2006 have visible peak chart and charting length (weeks). I'm sorry sir but I don't know where else I'm supposed to obtain informations about this. I'm not Japanese, after all so it's difficult for me to find any other reliable source than Oricon.

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Please comment on Talk:Film censorship in China

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SuNaW

hi.you gave sрeedy nomination to my рage.i am new in wikiрedia.and i think i will imрrove my edits.dont delete my рage — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuNaW (talk • contribs) 20:29, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Question regarding Notability

Hi Chris, you put a notability notice on Selling LA. there are two shows in the same franchise, the episodes often appear on TV interchangeably. Selling New York is an affiliated show with Selling LA. Both shows are tremendously popular in the US and have been renewed for multiple seasons. Both on the same channel and have same producers. Selling New York has had its own Wikipedia page since 2010. I assumed that if the east coast version in NEW YORK has a Wikipedia page for so many years--I'm unclear, isn't it reasonable to assume that the west coast version in Los Angeles is equally notable?? When I saw NY but not LA, I created the missing page for Los Angeles. Can you check out both pages and help me understand why one may be notable, but not the other? What am I not seeing? I would greatly appreciate your input and advice.Thank you! Mbarywiki (talk) 09:53, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

@Mbarywiki: "isn't it reasonable to assume that the west coast version in Los Angeles is equally notable??" No, it's not. I've since tagged the other article; they both probably ought to be deleted. Your argument is addressed in WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Sadly, it's very common for new editors to determine what is right or allowable based upon what they see on other pages. The problem with that is that Wikipedia has grown beyond our community's ability to keep up with the junk people deposit here. The two notability guidelines for these subjects are WP:TVSHOW (which is specific for TV shows and requires secondary sources) and WP:GNG (which requires significant coverage in secondary sources). Each article only has a link to HGTV, which is the network airing the show and therefore not independent. This often happens when fans want to use Wikipedia to write about their favorite thing. To best learn about Wikipedia, please read the many policies, guidelines, and essays which define our community's norms. Start at any of the ones I've linked to and you can click your way to the others. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:35, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

User:Chris troutman I am a professor on the subject of media, I also write for many newspapers and have been a journalist for over twenty years. I teach media and communications at one of the top schools in the state. So when someone refers to my ideas as "crap" or "junk" posted by a "fan" -- that is a first. I find it curious that no one had a problem with Selling NY for seven years. If look past your choice of words (calling my work crap and junk) it sounds to me like you are asking for more sources. No problem. I should be able to add more sources.Mbarywiki (talk) 19:24, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

@Mbarywiki: Please take a deep breath and re-read what I wrote. I can imagine how it feels when your editing draws a lot of unwanted attention. I've had a couple days where I dreaded seeing my notifications. Wikipedia is an interconnected community and when you come up on one editor's radar, you inevitably come to the notice of others, too. (By the way, the history tab shows all your edits to this page. You would be best served by thinking before typing or at least striking the comments you want to retract per WP:REFACTOR.) I see you're already in a huff, but the shortcut is OTHERCRAPEXISTS. I didn't call your writing crap. I said that essay is where your argument is addressed. Further on that point, Wikipedia is written by dilettantes, like you. Unlike Twitter, we don't have "verified" users so you can't bring your prior experience or education as a qualifier for your editing. Wikipedia was founded with some amount of disdain for professionals so we don't give editors with qualifications any respect beyond what we extend to all good-faith editors. That said, adding more sources is exactly what that article needs. Note that I haven't nominated either article for deletion, I only tagged them for questionable notability. We have a lot of inclusionist editors and I'm not sure I could push both of those articles through WP:AFD. Tagging an article for needed improvement is not a threat or sleight. You're welcome to improve articles as you see fit. Because we are always flooded with editors hiding a conflict of interest, we remain on guard for promotional-looking articles, especially since we're unpaid, un-thanked volunteers struggling to restrain people getting a paycheck for their edits. You might also check out our editing community in Los Angeles. They're very active and can help you out in-person at one of their events. You might find their assistance helpful to what you're trying to do. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:38, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

User:Chris troutman Thank you, and your feedback is very kind, and more than fair and reasonable. Much respect. I will work on adding the citations and references, as you proposed, this weekend. I agree that entertainment is not the most important category of articles, but the "arts" do have a place in our society. The wide variety of Wikipedia is what makes it so fascinating. Thank you again for the directions, and I will do my very best. Much respect. Mbarywiki (talk) 21:37, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

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Books and Bytes - Issue 23

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ANI report

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Amortias (T)(C) 22:46, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Some things I've noticed over the years (calm advice, not a patronizing rebuke)

New users rarely don't read the whole template. Hell, no one does. I'm pretty sure some folks only use them as tally markers on obvious block targets and not as actual communication.

Some users can be n00bs for an inordinately long time, especially with parts of the site they don't use often. There's a reason I have not made any range blocks. >_>

Users with higher level education (real or claimed) usually need things explained the simplest. I don't know if it's because they've stopped doing real research and don't know how to write anymore, or if they're just making it up, but most of them can be redirected to behave as if we don't care about credentials.

Users who have a problem with plagiarism usually need to hear the words "summarize and paraphrase."

I hope I'm not being too annoying with this, I'm just trying to prevent any potential argument of "no one warned/blocked/atomized Chris" so the ANI thread can be closed.

Ian.thomson (talk) 23:20, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson: Got it. You've given me more consideration than I've given to the other editor, and I thank you. Still, that editor has "bad faith" written all over them. I don't think Wikipedia is a better place for suffering his ilk and I'm trying to protect Wikipedia. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:48, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

++Chris, hope you're doing well. I've interacted with Ian before and we both have had our chances to deal with irreverent editors at the Help Desk. I recall even thanking Ian in the past for rebuking an editor who asked a silly uncivil question at the Help Desk. Imo, Ian's perspective here is sound. I've interacted with you also previously and have followed your work around, and in my opinion, you're one of the best here. I am sure your words and actions are followed by editors who were newbies just sometime before. So don't let one newbie editor take your patience off. Not worth your peace of mind and not worth the time you take to improve the project. It's a pleasure to see your name around at different places on the project. Warmly as always. Lourdes 03:05, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Cold War II

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New Page Reviewer Newsletter

Hello Chris troutman, thank you for your efforts reviewing new pages!

Backlog update:

• The new page backlog is currently at 16,991 pages. We have worked hard to decrease from over 22,000, but more hard work is needed! Please consider reviewing even just a few pages a a day.

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2017Au24: Addition to Deus vult reverted by Chris_troutman

Hi Chris,

(This is my first entry in someone's User_talk page :-) )

Believe your reversion yesterday of the following addition to Deus vult was a bit strict/restrictive:

Deus le volt is the version used by Frankish Crusaders in Russell Hoban's novel Pilgermann.

My reasons for the addition:

-Hoban is a scholarly & important author and the novel includes a bibliography. I trust that his spelling is historicly accurate.

-Yet another version/spelling of 'Deus vult' reflects the evolution of western european languages (eg: french & german) occuring during the medieval period.

-Pilgermann is an excellent novel that revolves around the religious arrogance (and the resulting hatred/bloodshed) that the phrase 'Deus vult' expresses. Maybe readers of this article would be intrigued to read it.

Hoping you change your mind.

Thanks TBond (talk) 23:58, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

@TBond: You present no citations for your claims. Neither the article about Hoban nor the article about Pilgermann bear out your claims. (I've thought long and hard about trying to get the article about the book deleted.) I'm not sold. I am glad that you posted to my user talk. Discussions with other editors is necessary for progress. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:23, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Change to RfC at NOT

You participated at this RfC; the proposal has changed a bit. Just providing you notice of that. Jytdog (talk) 17:32, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Transition Design

Chris, I'm responding to your reply on DGG's page here. We will have to think about whether or not we want to take this further. To be honest, we're quite surprised at the lack of cordiality and respect we've encountered in the correspondence thusfar.Terry Irwin (talk) 23:31, 26 August 2017 (UTC)Terry Irwin

@Terry Irwin: Yeah, that happens pretty often. Please, let me meet you for lunch. I think I could help you understand what we're doing and try to crosswalk your effort. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:40, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Chris, thanks for the offer. Can we offer to buy you lunch here next week or the following? Terry Irwin (talk) 23:49, 26 August 2017 (UTC)Terry Irwin

WikiProject Investment

I'd like to invite you to join the Investment WikiProject. There are a lot of Investment related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help get this project off the ground and a few Investment pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks!

Cheers. WikiEditCrunch (talk) 00:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Please comment on Talk:Badme

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August 2017

Please refrain from editing on User talk:71.250.208.140 because they have been reverted. If you want to know how Wikipedia works, please use the sanbox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1001:B009:7160:2D86:E08:3A30:7D6B (talk) 12:20, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

FYI

I am still in the middle of the article and will be editing by adding those other universities that offer training in this topic. Unfortunately, sometimes I have to stop editing for a short period of time to eat lunch. Best Regards. Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 17:54, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

@Barbara (WVS): While I understand, please think of the fact that every edit we make is public. If every edit you make is defensible, it won't be questioned. If edit A looks bad until edit B happens, you might have stalkers get in your business. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:59, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes, of course. But bad faith is assumed in that case because my editing history demonstrates my consistent habit proving B in a few moments, especially if there is a tag at the top of the article that states the article is under construction. Every single edit I make is defensible. Thanks for weighing in because I truly appreciate your perspective. The Very Best of Regrds, Barbara — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1016:b115:76cc:bc7e:74d9:473d:fdb8 (talk • contribs) 07:56, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

WikiCup 2017 September newsletter

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Fat Leonard scandal

I didn't change "The 6-foot-3-inch, 350-pound Malaysian playboy" to "He" because it was untrue. I changed it because the tone is unencyclopedic. 104.129.196.161 (talk) 17:17, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

That's questionable. If you don't like the tone (which is a fair critique) then that's a talk page discussion. Further, you didn't use an edit summary to indicate your reasoning. Wikipedia is a collaborative project and you are obliged to communicate with your fellow editors. I'm willing to consider your argument, but I'll happily revert unexplained deletions. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:03, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Questionable that the tone is not appropriate or that that was my intention? Either way, I've started a discussion on the article talk page. 104.129.196.161 (talk) 16:35, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Questionable that the tone is an issue; I understand your intention to have the article be factual but inoffensive. Thanks for starting the discussion. I've made my point there and I'll follow whatever the consensus decides. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:22, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:35, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Plural of "ABS" is the same as the plural of "ATM" ("ATMs"), etc.

Why status quo? Since when is it "wrong" to pluralize "ABS" like any other initialism, such as "ATMs"?

174.23.105.242 (talk) 22:40, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Per WP:STATUSQUO: "During a dispute, until a consensus is established, the status quo should remain". The onus is on you, the editor making a change. You were reverted and per WP:BRD, you should discuss the matter to resolution not insist on the version you want. I take no position about how one pluralizes ABS but you need to seek consensus. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:44, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you...so many guidelines to learn. I've got an idea. Can you send me a reading list of policies/guidelines/essays that you think would help? Nothing exhaustive, but you seem to be more familiar with wp stuff than I am. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 22:47, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Template talk:Nazism sidebar

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YWCA edit-a-thon in Pittsburgh

Hello and happy September! Just wanted to let you know there's an edit-a-thon happening at the Pittsburgh YWCA to add info about under-represented women in Pittsburgh's history. More info here. If you know someone who might be interested, please spread the word! --TheLeaper (talk) 17:29, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@TheLeaper: Hi. Thanks for letting me know about this. Did you have a plan for the meetup page and geonotice? I'm not familiar with your experience in organizing edit-a-thons. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@Chris troutman:Thanks for the response! I'm not organizing it, but it's being done by some former colleagues from the library. They have a Rapid Grant page, but I'm not sure about geonotice or anything else. I will put them in touch if they could use a hand! --TheLeaper (talk) 17:14, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

@Chris troutman: Hi Chris! I am a former colleague of TheLeaper and on the Young Leaders Board of the YWCA/ helping to organize the event. I have not previously been directly involved with organizing an editathon so have no experience with the meetup page or geonotices. Is this the meetup page you're referring to: Wikipedia:Meetup/Pittsburgh. I'd be happy to add some information to that page and if you have any other suggestion's about getting the word out we'd welcome them!FrindleandInk (talk) 17:33, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Poorly sourced material at a Biography of a Living Person

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living (or recently deceased) persons, as you did to Dan Huberty. Thank you. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 20:24, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Hurricane Irma

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07:49:50, 11 September 2017 review of submission by 31.87.153.57

• 31.87.153.57 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Lansdowne Bhoys (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

@Boctramore: Subject seems to fail WP:NFOOTY, WP:GNG, and WP:NCORP. Chris Troutman (talk) 07:52, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

NFL Owner Net Worth

Hey Chris I got a message saying you changed something in my sandbox where I am making the NFL Owner Net Worth page but I cannot figure out what it is you changed. Any thoughts on the page while I'm here? I'm still debating whether or not it is even worth having this page, but I had an hour free the other day so I was playing around with it. There is a page devoted to the net worth of all the US Presidents so I figure it might be along the same lines. Zdawg1029 (talk) 17:19, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

@Zdawg1029: Yes, I reviewed your sandbox a couple days ago, so I didn't actually change anything. Because of the Wikipedia Seigenthaler biography incident, New Pages Patrol (of which I am a part), seeks to put a set of eyes on every page created to ensure the new page isn't accusing a lawyer of conspiring to assassinate government officials or something like that. We get people that make pages to attack people they hate, or advertise for a company, etc. and we take action when the content is problematic. By marking that sandbox "reviewed" I indicate it's nothing problematic and I remove it from the review queue. You don't need to take any action on that. As for your effort, you might add that data to List of NFL franchise owners, although I think that list is restricted to current owners. You could always ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject American football. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:07, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

A beer for you!

For this superbly honest comment. Irondome (talk) 23:11, 12 September 2017 (UTC)